I missed MTP today, but did Brokaw ask one tough question about McCain authoring the legislation that excluded campaign money for personal use items?

Don't miss the video of Palin explaining how not keeping them is the point the press has missed (new window)

Using this logic, should we go ahead and burn down the bridge to nowhere to show that she doesn't support it anymore?

Crown_of_Shoes: Using this logic, should we go ahead and burn down the bridge to nowhere to show that she doesn't support it anymore?

She took those millions of dollars in earmark money and spent them somewhere else.

That's right ladies, keep diluting the term "sexist" until it carries no weight whatsoever, as in "My cheeseburger isn't medium-rare. That's sexist!".

Good jorb.

I'm watching Meet the Press right now, and so far McCain has claimed to "feeling like the Gipper" (in terms of a film reference) and saying that the polls are variable, citing - of all people - Zogby.

Zogby!

In other news, one third is now more than one half


Duh, submitter. 3 is a bigger number than 2... stupid lib.

Mordant: In other news, one third is now more than one half


Duh, submitter. 3 is a bigger number than 2... stupid lib.

Math has a liberal bias....

Crown_of_Shoes: Mordant: In other news, one third is now more than one half


Duh, submitter. 3 is a bigger number than 2... stupid lib.

Math has a liberal bias....

and, it's like... hard.

The McCain interview on Meet the Press today was really not his best. Beyond his desperate attempt to discredit all the polls by citing Zogby as having him within a few points, there were other themes that didn't paint him in the best light. Every moment McCain had to talk about Sarah Palin, he was visibly pained - there was a very obvious tenseness about him - and without a lot of conviction, he repeated canned lines, including the patronizing line about how he was "proud" of her. His explanation that she was "thrust into this" as justifying the clothing expense, is a message that makes her seem, frankly, unprepared.

Another horrid moment for McCain was when he couldn't remember the names of the 5 former secretaries of state who endorsed him (who he "admired greatly", he mentioned right before listing them off). He twice named a list of Baker, Kissinger, Eagleburger, Haig and then stated he couldn't remember the other one. Then a few minutes later, he remembered Schultz and mentioned it again.

Looks like mainstream media is much more interested in scrutinizing Sarah Palin's wardrobe than reporting on Obama's ties to the terrorist Weather Underground, his membership in the socialist "New Party," and his connection to the ACORN voter fraud conspiracy.

So Sak's and Neiman Marcus take returns on used clothing? Who would have known?

Hey everyone, want to impress your old classmates at the reunion? Just drop by Sak's or Neiman's and buy the most expensive clothes your card can handle then return them the next day!

I'm guessing this really doesn't work for the real "Joe Sixpack's" of the world.

By the way, whatever happened to them donating all those clothes to charity?

Also, what happened with Palin's daughter wearing the Louis Vuitton purse which was later claimed to be an imitation. Which of course is illegal not to mention the purchase of knock off products has even been connected with funding terrorism. (if you believe the propaganda)

Don't you find it ironic that Bush just signed legislation which McCain voted yes on, which creates an entire branch of the FBI solely for fighting the illegal copying of products, yet the Republican party candidate for Vice President admits to breaking federal law and buying illegal product copies?

These losers might be running our country? Holy Jesus!

SkinnyHead: Looks like mainstream media is much more interested in scrutinizing Sarah Palin's wardrobe than reporting on Obama's ties to the terrorist Weather Underground, his membership in the socialist "New Party," and his connection to the ACORN voter fraud conspiracy.

And you're just now coming up to speed on that?

That's why the desperation train is running so hard right now.

SkinnyHead: [Obama]"his membership in the socialist "New Party,"


"Barack Obama was never a party member-he has always been a Democrat. In fact,the New Party now exists primarily as the Working Families Party, which has endorsed (or "fused") its ticket with both Democrats and Republicans on various ballots, especially in New York State. The WFP touts as its goals, "an economy that works for everyone"

"Barack Obama has never been a socialist, and was merely endorsed by a left-of-center community organization in the 1990s based on his platform of better child-care, welfare reform, and health-care reform. The organization came to Barack and endorsed his mainstream progressive platform."

SkinnyHead: Looks like mainstream media is much more interested in scrutinizing Sarah Palin's wardrobe than reporting on Obama's ties to the terrorist Weather Underground, his membership in the socialist "New Party," and his connection to the ACORN voter fraud conspiracy.

Those stories have all been reported at length. They are not appealing to voters, because they're a collection of half-truths and lies that distract from the issues.
- Obama served on an education board with a former, reformed, member of the Weathermen/Weather Underground who is now a respected professor of education, Bill Ayers. He did so along with prominent Chicago Republicans.
- His endorsement as a candidate by social democratic organization in the mid-90s is completely boring and a non-story to all who aren't grasping desperately at coffee stirrers.
- Obama is not registering voters with ACORN and has no involvement with them in this election. There are full details debunking the ACORN allegations by John McCain in this Houston Chronicle article.

My GOD! Palin is Michael Jackson!

What a thriller...

DarkJohnson: SkinnyHead: Looks like mainstream media is much more interested in scrutinizing Sarah Palin's wardrobe than reporting on Obama's ties to the terrorist Weather Underground, his membership in the socialist "New Party," and his connection to the ACORN voter fraud conspiracy.

And you're just now coming up to speed on that?

That's why the desperation train is running so hard right now.

I'm getting emails with the crap they were trying to use against Obama in '07. I think they're digging through Hillary's trash.

The issue is not clothes. At worst, it was an improper use of campaign funds. At best, it was a stupid use of campaign funds. Where Palin's gender comes into it is escaping me.

I have a feeling Hassell-whatserface is going to have another rough day on The View tomorrow.

Con_Authority: "Barack Obama was never a party member-he has always been a Democrat. In fact,the New Party now exists primarily as the Working Families Party, which has endorsed (or "fused") its ticket with both Democrats and Republicans on various ballots, especially in New York State. The WFP touts as its goals, "an economy that works for everyone"

That's not what the socialist "New Party" said back in 1996, when they were crowing about New Party member Barack Obama getting himself elected to the state senate. They were proud to claim Obama as a member back then.

Crown_of_Shoes: Don't miss the video of Palin explaining how not keeping them is the point the press has missed (new window)

From that video:

"And my wedding ring? It's in Todd's pocket 'cause it hurts
sometimes when i shake hands and it gets squished."

Does she not know how to shake hands properly? Or does she wear her wedding ring on her right hand, and a "married to Jebus" ring on her left?

SkinnyHead: That's not what the socialist "New Party" said back in 1996, when they were crowing about New Party member Barack Obama getting himself elected to the state senate. They were proud to claim Obama as a member back then.

Maybe Limbaugh got his facts wrong when he reported it to you and the rest of his listeners.

Do I hear the sound of straws being grabbed?

bobbette: - His endorsement as a candidate by social democratic organization in the mid-90s is completely boring and a non-story to all who aren't grasping desperately at coffee stirrers.

Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

but...but...but !!!

SkinnyHead: bobbette: - His endorsement as a candidate by social democratic organization in the mid-90s is completely boring and a non-story to all who aren't grasping desperately at coffee stirrers.

Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

It's been debunked.

Are you also a 9/11 truther? I'm getting the conspiracy theorist vibe.

SkinnyHead: Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

Hey, the republicans are the ones that wanted to "turn the page" on the economy. We'd gladly go back to talking about that. Face it: if you're talking about the issues? You lose. If you're talking about drivel? You still lose because you look like such asshats talking about ACORN/New Party/Ayers when your own closets aren't clean.

Oh, and Ms. Hasselbeck may turn in her gender card now. She and Palin may have them back from the Principal at the end of the year as long as they promise not to misuse them again.

/Psst. questioning potential illegal use of campaign funds or fitness for office isn't sexist, it's the voting public's job, just so you know.

With the economy this bad, and the GOP trying to "relate" to the likes of Joe the Plumber, nice to know spending a 150K for clothes is a good idea.

SkinnyHead: Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

Lies ARE boring. Stop boring us with lies.

/of course, we all know, lies are ALL you have at this point.

bobbette: It's been debunked.

No it hasn't. It's totally true.

It really doesn't matter if they donate every suit and accessory to some hobo on the street, it remains hilariously hypocritical as a purchase in the first place (but also not really that big a deal, meh, just amusing).

Anyway, if we can de-threadjack and go back to the topic of TFA, McCain's Meet the Press interview...

I just realized that although McCain, numerically, has more Secretaries of State, several of them served shorter terms or part of their term as Acting Secretary (these are rough numbers that actually overshoot the time they served, I didn't feel like counting the days):
Baker - 3 yrs, 7 months
Eagleburger - 5 months
Haig - 1 year, 5 months
Kissinger - 3 years, 4 months
Shultz (the guy McCain couldn't remember) - 5 months

Barack Obama has 3 Secretaries of State endorsing him:
Christopher (4 years + a few days as Acting Secretary under Carter)
Albright (4 years)
Powell (4 years)

That's 9 years, 2 months of Secretaryin', roughly, for McCain's 5 Secretaries, and 12 years for Obama's 3 Secretaries.

Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

I'd rather talk about her associations with the secessionist Alaskan Independence Party.

Since, you know we're throwing around vague innuendo and accusations.

SkinnyHead: bobbette: It's been debunked.

No it hasn't. It's totally true.

Then please provide your PROOF.

SkinnyHead: It's totally true.

That's good enough for me, as long as it's totally true.

Thray: It really doesn't matter if they donate every suit and accessory to some hobo on the street, it remains hilariously hypocritical as a purchase in the first place (but also not really that big a deal, meh, just amusing).

Why didn't McCain just buy the clothes? It's not like he doesn't have the money.

SkinnyHead: No it hasn't. It's totally true.

At risk of asking a "gotcha question," what's your source?

SkinnyHead: bobbette: It's been debunked.

No it hasn't. It's totally true.

Alright, show me the documents. I want to see video footage of some other person "claiming" Obama is one of them, no wait, I want to see the video of Barack Obama claiming he is a member of the Alaskan Independence(Oops) I mean Socialist New Party

Yeah, well John Edwards' hair grew back after the $400 haircut, too.


/it's all ridiculous.

Remove all Republicans: SkinnyHead: Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

It's not a fasion faux paux so much as just a blatant waste of money. In tough times like this, none is not the time for our candidate to just keep wasting and pouring our good-earned money away. If she wastes that kind of money now, what will she do in the White House behind closed doors?

Like spend $5 million on a faux Greek temple that she uses one time? That kind of waste of money?

Talking Points. That would Seek to. Such As. As Well As. There they go again. Terrorists, hell bent on attacking American citizens. The tragedies experienced on 9/11. Joe Sixpack. Just another Hockey mom. I was against it. If you look what we have done back in Alaska.We're Mavericks. I talked with Henry Kissinger.

delysid25: SkinnyHead: bobbette: It's been debunked.

No it hasn't. It's totally true.

Alright, show me the documents. I want to see video footage of some other person "claiming" Obama is one of them, no wait, I want to see the video of Barack Obama claiming he is a member of the Alaskan Independence(Oops) I mean Socialist New Party

This story never left the conservative blogosphere/NRO/Newsmax circle jerk because there's no evidence of the claims. Obama has stated he was never involved with them, the people in the New Party say he wasn't involved with them, and they aren't even a socialist group. The organization now goes by the Working Families Party and has endorsed Republicans and Hillary Clinton.

Politico has the low-down.

Now could we stop the threadjacking, please?

jjorsett: Remove all Republicans: SkinnyHead: Sorry to bore you libs with talk about Obama being a member of the socialist New Party. You can get on back to discussing something that really matters, like Sarah Palin's fashion faux paux.

It's not a fasion faux paux so much as just a blatant waste of money. In tough times like this, none is not the time for our candidate to just keep wasting and pouring our good-earned money away. If she wastes that kind of money now, what will she do in the White House behind closed doors?

Like spend $5 million on a faux Greek temple that she uses one time? That kind of waste of money?

$5 million? Source, please.

You guys might want to check Skinnyhead´s profile picture.
And your troll-o-meters.
/kthxbye

Decados: Then please provide your PROOF.

How about New Party literature from 1996 that is archived at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010306031216/www.newparty.org/up9610.html

"Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."

That proves Obama was an actual member of the New Party. What more proof could you want?

bobbette: delysid25: SkinnyHead: bobbette: It's been debunked.

No it hasn't. It's totally true.

Alright, show me the documents. I want to see video footage of some other person "claiming" Obama is one of them, no wait, I want to see the video of Barack Obama claiming he is a member of the Alaskan Independence(Oops) I mean Socialist New Party

This story never left the conservative blogosphere/NRO/Newsmax circle jerk because there's no evidence of the claims. Obama has stated he was never involved with them, the people in the New Party say he wasn't involved with them, and they aren't even a socialist group. The organization now goes by the Working Families Party and has endorsed Republicans and Hillary Clinton.

Politico has the low-down.

Now could we stop the threadjacking, please?


Its Ok, I returned 1/3 of the thread already, and the rest will be donated to charity. I'm a frugal person.

SkinnyHead:

So, 'NautatrolRx' is your newest alt?

It's not that what the GOP does is bad - it's that the press reports it.

/bad 100% neo-con owned press!

SkinnyHead: bobbette: It's been debunked.

No it hasn't. It's totally true.

Totally?

bobbette: $5 million? Source, please.

I believe it's whipped out of context from the cost to use Invesco Field.

SkinnyHead: Looks like mainstream media is much more interested in scrutinizing Sarah Palin's wardrobe than reporting on Obama's ties to the terrorist Weather Underground, his membership in the socialist "New Party," and his connection to the ACORN voter fraud conspiracy.

A new thread a new troll.

bobbette: Obama has stated he was never involved with them, the people in the New Party say he wasn't involved with them, and they aren't even a socialist group.

Well, now you know that both of them lied about that. Obama was a member. But who cares if they're liars, go ahead and get on back to your talk about Sarah's clothes.

darthbandon: SkinnyHead: Looks like mainstream media is much more interested in scrutinizing Sarah Palin's wardrobe than reporting on Obama's ties to the terrorist Weather Underground, his membership in the socialist "New Party," and his connection to the ACORN voter fraud conspiracy.

A new thread a new troll.

Not new but melting down in impressive fashion.