I think there is a difference between asking hard questions and asking nut job questions.

The questions she asked...like quoting karl marx and asking whether Biden thinks Obama is Marxist shows how inane the gop position has become on the matter. She has no grasp on the theory of socialism as evident by the phrasing of her questions but she asked them repeatedly anyways.

Here is the final thoguht on this whole socialism nonsense. Paying taxes PERIOD is part of a social welfare state. PERIOD. If you were true 100% free market capitalist society, guess what. You wouldn't pay taxes. ZERO taxes. You pay taxes. Both McCain and Obama want to change tax laws. They want to redistribute taxes to different groups. They're BOTH EQUALLY socialist by talking about taxes in the first place. (if you want to be stupid enough and call it socialism)which amount of money goes where is just insane semantics of a full-retard argument.

I foresee a call from the FCC come next January.

There's a pretty clear line between "hardball" questions and antagonizing and baiting your interview subject. This West character is a poor interviewer and was well over that line and she deserves to be snubbed.

Maybe she can call Maureen Dowd to talk about it.

Dancin_In_Anson: I foresee a call from the FCC come next January.

I predict an opening on Fox News channel for another bubble headed bleached blonde who comes on at 5.

Sir Roderick Glossop: There's a pretty clear line between "hardball" questions and antagonizing and baiting your interview subject. This West character is a poor interviewer and was well over that line and she deserves to be snubbed.

Maybe she can call Maureen Dowd to talk about it.

Joe Biden was able to answer all the questions and give examples. Overall, he fully understood what was being asked and what would come from the interview.

Can you imagine if these equivilant questions were asked to Sarah Palin?

She'd probably cry right there on TV, then have McCain sit next to her next time so he can scream gotcha journalism and answer all her questions for her.

That is the fundamental difference between the two campaign's. One can answer the toughest questions elegantly while the other thinks she's in charge of policy making in the senate.

Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

RealDisagreer: I think there is a difference between asking hard questions and asking nut job questions.

The questions she asked...like quoting karl marx and asking whether Biden thinks Obama is Marxist shows how inane the gop position has become on the matter. She has no grasp on the theory of socialism as evident by the phrasing of her questions but she asked them repeatedly anyways.

Here is the final thoguht on this whole socialism nonsense. Paying taxes PERIOD is part of a social welfare state. PERIOD. If you were true 100% free market capitalist society, guess what. You wouldn't pay taxes. ZERO taxes. You pay taxes. Both McCain and Obama want to change tax laws. They want to redistribute taxes to different groups. They're BOTH EQUALLY socialist by talking about taxes in the first place. (if you want to be stupid enough and call it socialism)which amount of money goes where is just insane semantics of a full-retard argument.

Obama's tax policies -- suggesting a refundable tax credit for the middle class -- is touted as socialist, but by that standard, McCain's a socialist.

It's regularly ignored that McCain wants to also give citizens a refundable tax credit -- with the excuse that it's for health care.

Hobodeluxe: I predict an opening on Fox News channel for another bubble headed bleached blonde who comes on at 5.

You, Sir or Madame, have done fine work today. Now go ask your SO to bring you a coffee.

GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

You really shouldn't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Obama's tax policies -- suggesting a refundable tax credit for the middle class -- is touted as socialist, but by that standard, McCain's a socialist. It's regularly ignored that McCain wants to also give citizens a refundable tax credit -- with the excuse that it's for health care.

You're not going to get too much traction there with GaryPDX. He makes Francisco D'Anconia look like Friedrich Engels.

GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

So he wants to go back to the rates of the pre-Bush tax cuts and that makes him Marxist? Doesn't that logic mean that before Bush the United States was a socialist country?
By that logic Reagan was a Marxist. And Palin giving oil company profits to her constituents ,profits made by raising the price of oil on all of us,is what exactly? Sounds Marxist to me.
Hell her program amounts to welfare given to everyone despite their income. her family makes over 20k a year from it.
Palin = Socialist Welfare Queen by your logic.

How dare they question "spreading the wealth" or his historic associations with leftists organizations.

Gasp!


Coming soon to the USA courtesy of nutjobs like the posters on this forum.

It's regularly ignored that McCain wants to also give citizens a refundable tax credit -- with the excuse that it's for health care.

Healthcare in itself is a socialist principle. Adam Smith would suggest that competitive private healthcare companies would compete with each other to lower the prices enough for people to afford it.

But of course that doesn't happen.

The United States is so socialist. You're all a bunch of Marxists if you pay social security, medicare, disability insurance.

If you're not taking home 100% of your gross income, then you need to vote McCain Palin because they'll let you keep it all because they're not socialists.

GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

please explain how "obama is a marxist." difficulty: must use rational thought and cite legitimate sources.

Hobodeluxe: I predict an opening on Fox News channel for another bubble headed bleached blonde who comes on at 5.

She'll tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye.

RealDisagreer: Can you imagine if these equivilant questions were asked to Sarah Palin?

She'd probably cry right there on TV, then have McCain sit next to her next time so he can scream gotcha journalism and answer all her questions for her.

No, I think she'd dodge the question entirely, while somehow managing to give an answer involving ACORN or Ayers or Joe the Plumber or whatever talking point she feels like repeating. Just like most politicians. Biden, to his credit, managed to answer each of these questions pretty directly and satisfactorily, unfortunately he probably won't be changing anybody's mind.

Hobodeluxe: I predict an opening on Fox News channel for another bubble headed bleached blonde who comes on at 5.

Oh hell...Fox will get shut down.

This bimbo with her "talking point" questions is why our next president will be named Obama. Thank you, empty headed, soulless, twit. You have reduced the once proud Republican party to a shadow of a ghost of its identity that once stood for very lofty goals and aspirations.

Dancin_In_Anson: Oh hell...Fox will get shut down.

Everybody panic!!!!

and for a little example of Barbara West's objectivity watch this interview with John McCain ^{(^)} and see if the tenor and tone of the questioning is similar to her interview with Biden ^{(^)}.

Atillathepun: GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

You really shouldn't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

I don't really care what your nuances, or variation, of the definition is. Karl is Obama's central role model, his ideology is close enough. But hey..let's have a party!!

GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

The fact that Obama is running for president of the united states completely undermines both Marxism, and what you think Marxism is. I would highly recommend doing soemthing as basic as a google search on Marxism and read some literature instead of being a part of the blind mob.

Dancin_In_Anson: Oh hell...Fox will get shut down.

that tin foil hat is looking a little ragged there. you might want to make you a new one.

RealDisagreer: The fact that Obama is running for president of the united states completely undermines both Marxism, and what you think Marxism is. I would highly recommend doing soemthing as basic as a google search on Marxism and read some literature instead of being a part of the blind mob.

it's much easier to parrot right wing talking points. we wouldn't want them to strain their thinking muscle.

Dancin_In_Anson: Hobodeluxe: I predict an opening on Fox News channel for another bubble headed bleached blonde who comes on at 5.

Oh hell...Fox will get shut down.


Yeah, I hear Obama's advance team is already preparing the reeducation gulags for all "independents".

GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

So does that make W a Hugo Chavez-esque socialist? I mean, he is nationalizing a huge swath of the finance sector, it really won't take much to do the whole thing.

Seriously, I agree with you a small percentage of the time, but right now you need to lay off the pipe. We've been a few flavors of European socialist for DECADES now. Social Security? Welfare? Medicare/aid? The BAILOUT?! Hell, if anything, the Europeans are doing some things a hell of a lot better than we are. At least they have the balls to call no-confidence on someone like Bush, instead of just sucking it up and letting W kill the country for another year. It's a bastardized, melting-pot form of socialism, but then again, we've been a thoroughly bastardized, melting-pot form of capitalism since the beginning.

GaryPDX: Atillathepun: GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

You really shouldn't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

I don't really care what your nuances, or variation, of the definition is. Karl is Obama's central role model, his ideology is close enough. But hey..let's have a party!!

Then Reagan was a Marxist. You DO realize that for the vast majority of Reagan's reign the top marginal rate was 50% or greater, right? That's a minimum of 11% higher than what Obama is proposing.

GaryPDX: I don't really care what your nuances, or variation, of the definition is. Karl is Obama's central role model, his ideology is close enough. But hey..let's have a party!!

In other words you're pulling a Palin and just ignoring the question. Typical. What's farking obnoxious is that you or someone like you will post the exact same thing in another thread and leave and repeat.

Luckily most of the US isn't falling for your bullshiat or anyone else's that cries "socialist" in reference to Obama.

RealDisagreer: GaryPDX: Obama is a Marxist. Period. In other words, if asking a bird about his wings is some how a nut job question, then so be it.

The fact that Obama is running for president of the united states completely undermines both Marxism, and what you think Marxism is. I would highly recommend doing soemthing as basic as a google search on Marxism and read some literature instead of being a part of the blind mob.

Oookay, Comrade.

Hobodeluxe: that tin foil hat is looking a little ragged there.

Mugato: GaryPDX: I don't really care what your nuances, or variation, of the definition is. Karl is Obama's central role model, his ideology is close enough. But hey..let's have a party!!

In other words you're pulling a Palin and just ignoring the question. Typical. What's farking obnoxious is that you or someone like you will post the exact same thing in another thread and leave and repeat.

Luckily most of the US isn't falling for your bullshiat or anyone else's that cries "socialist" in reference to Obama.

And most of America thinks fake tits are a good thing.

RealDisagreer: Paying taxes PERIOD is part of a social welfare state.


According to the GOP, if your tax money is used for programs which directly benefit taxpayers, you have a social welfare state. OTOH, if the tax money is used to indirectly "benefit" the taxpayer, i.e., defense spending, you have a democratic state.

The whole thing is a bunch of crap. Taxes are a means of promoting government policy. Look at deductions and credits in the IRS code and you get a sense of the which direction the government wants to take the country. Go one step further and look at the imports and see which countries our government is aiding.

It's socialism with a capitalistic twist.

Mugato: Luckily most of the US isn't falling for your bullshiat or anyone else's that cries "socialist" in reference to Obama.

The point is important- Gary doesn't care what socialism technically is; he's equally uncomfortable with anything that is not (what to others would seem to be a caricature of) libertarianism.

I don't see why they would cut WFTV station off. Biden made the reporter look like a fool. I thought it was one of the best things he has done.

Atillathepun: Then Reagan was a Marxist. You DO realize that for the vast majority of Reagan's reign the top marginal rate was 50% or greater, right? That's a minimum of 11% higher than what Obama is proposing.

meh it's like talking to a wall. these are partisan ideologues who refuse to accept the responsibility of their party's demise. yes these people are reason the party is dying. because they failed to hold their own accountable. they instead drank the koolaid. listened to the radio and watched Fox news,read the "conservative" blogs and denied all other points of view until reality came up and bit them on the ass. It took a long time but it has. And yet they are still drinking the koolaid. Comfortable that no matter what that Obama in power will do worse. They know this just as assuredly as they knew Iraq was involved in 9-11 and was an imminent threat to the U.S. Just like they still believe total deregulation is the way to go. Just let the markets and trade run wild. As long as the super wealthy prosper we all prosper right?

GaryPDX: And most of America thinks fake tits are a good thing.

I wish I didn't find ignore lists so fascist. Let's just keep to ourselves for the rest of the trip, k? Someone find him a red ball to play with.

Yeah...asking difficult questions is not the same as comparing Obama to Marx and asking about our future as a socialist nation.

There's no reason for the questions to be GOP talking points in question form.

You could've asked him about how a reduction of troops will affect Afghanistan and whether troops will come home soon. Ask how the economy will affect Obama's healthcare changes. Ask how Obama plans to handle the economy next year, what are the things he plans to implement? Will GITMO be shut down? Will he push to have the Patriot Act removed or changed in some way?

The GOP shills on this site have some sort of cognitive dissonance that allows them to scream about GOTCHA! questions aimed at Palin while being upset that Biden is brushing off questions straight out of Hannity's mouth.

Give it a rest.

i don't even think Gary believes his own spew anymore. it's pretty half-hearted.

can somebody post the political orientation chart that shows obama, bush, clinton and mccain in relation to left, right, authoritarian and libertarian?

i wonder if she asked mccain his reaction to being endorsed by al qaeda.

RealDisagreer: The questions she asked...like quoting karl marx and asking whether Biden thinks Obama is Marxist shows how inane the gop position has become on the matter. She has no grasp on the theory of socialism as evident by the phrasing of her questions but she asked them repeatedly anyways.

Basically.

shiat, I've gotten to the point where I'm starting to think Socialism -- the real thing, the Swedish-type brew -- might be better than the half-assed nationalized economy we get with this bullshiat bailout package. Rather than give Wall Street a trillion dollars and let the same bastards who got them in this mess keep their jobs, just say "OK, here's your money. You work for us now, motherfarkers."

Her McCain interview is the really funny one.

1) Obama -> ACORN -> Caused Mortgage crisis. Why haven't you attacked Obama on the voter registration fraud and the mortgage crisis?

I'd like to see her explain how the acts of ACORN are what caused the mortgage crisis. McCain was able to work in a reference to Obama's connection to Ayers in his answer and how Americans need to know all the facts. There must be something the liberal media is hiding.

2) How do you respond to John Lewis' comments about racism blah blah blah?

McCain was able to say he was disappointed in Lewis but he was more disappointed in Obama because he hasn't repudiated the remarks (also the worst things he's ever heard. ever in his life in campaigning). Obama released a statement calling them inappropriate and Obama was sitting at the same table as McCain when he explained the comments and said that he didn't agree with them and they were inappropriate. What the hell? This is like Clinton with her "denounce and reject...DENOUNCE AND REJECT" He's gonna keep pounding away at that statement like a petulant little kid.

3) Are the democrats making it impossible for you to criticize Obama? I mean, other than the socialism thing, the domestic terrorist thing, the ACORN as leftist organization connected to Obama thing, the raising taxes thing, the celebrity thing, the presumptuous thing, the bitter thing...you haven't been able to criticize him at all?

4) You're behind in the polls, what are you going to do to change that course?

Uh...lady...I'm pretty sure McCain stays the course. Don't you tell him to change things. McCain's answer "we're competitive in Florida and all the others. They're all within the margin of error". What map is he looking at?

5) Obama has sent campaign workers to Florida. What will you do to win this state?

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Those are some GOTCHA! questions from the liberal media.

*sigh*

bulldg4life: Her McCain interview is the really funny one.

1) Obama -> ACORN -> Caused Mortgage crisis. Why haven't you attacked Obama on the voter registration fraud and the mortgage crisis?

I'd like to see her explain how the acts of ACORN are what caused the mortgage crisis. McCain was able to work in a reference to Obama's connection to Ayers in his answer and how Americans need to know all the facts. There must be something the liberal media is hiding.

2) How do you respond to John Lewis' comments about racism blah blah blah?

McCain was able to say he was disappointed in Lewis but he was more disappointed in Obama because he hasn't repudiated the remarks (also the worst things he's ever heard. ever in his life in campaigning). Obama released a statement calling them inappropriate and Obama was sitting at the same table as McCain when he explained the comments and said that he didn't agree with them and they were inappropriate. What the hell? This is like Clinton with her "denounce and reject...DENOUNCE AND REJECT" He's gonna keep pounding away at that statement like a petulant little kid.

3) Are the democrats making it impossible for you to criticize Obama? I mean, other than the socialism thing, the domestic terrorist thing, the ACORN as leftist organization connected to Obama thing, the raising taxes thing, the celebrity thing, the presumptuous thing, the bitter thing...you haven't been able to criticize him at all?

4) You're behind in the polls, what are you going to do to change that course?

Uh...lady...I'm pretty sure McCain stays the course. Don't you tell him to change things. McCain's answer "we're competitive in Florida and all the others. They're all within the margin of error". What map is he looking at?

5) Obama has sent campaign workers to Florida. What will you do to win this state?

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Those are some GOTCHA! questions from the liberal media.

*sigh*

seriously? why am i not surprised.

some real "hardball" questions there for mccain!

There really is nothing left for the Fark Independents.

I like how the Fark Independents are looking at both parties tax policies and comparing to the concept of Socialism.

What, they are only screaming bloody murder about Obama?

How surprising

/there's no independent thinking like Fark Independent thinking

Fido McCokefiend: I like how the Fark Independents are looking at both parties tax policies and comparing to the concept of Socialism.

What, they are only screaming bloody murder about Obama?

How surprising

/there's no independent thinking like Fark Independent thinking

i used to think guys like Gary were just trolling or having fun. now i'm starting to think that they've drunk so much kool-aid that they're genuinely terrified that obama really is some sort of post-soviet marxist. it's sad and laughable, of course, but facts don't mean much once you've gone down the rabbit hole.

Calling Obama a Marxist, blaming the campaign for the lazy bums in Acorn. The problem with this "journalist" wasn't that she wasn't throwing softball questions. The problem was that she was combative, partisan, and based upon misleading "evidence" spread by the extreme right wing. This wasn't hard journalism. It wasn't professional. It was a voter taking her big shot at attacking a major national politician, and failing. Biden didn't have a problem rebutting her attacks, but that's what they were.

Damn Gary you're up early. Hopefully fortifying those bunkers just in case the marxists attack at dawn.

Gary is probably not trying anymore because he knows he's going to have to pace himself for the next 4 years or risk serious injury from exhaustion.

DIA on the other hand should be stepping up his game big time, he'll be among the first ones locked up once the Messiah takes his rightful power. Even if most days are a total embarrassment for McCain there's always the option of just making shiat up.

And for the rest of the little neocon paste eaters, yeah. You're absolutely right about how unfair this incident is from Obama. Too bad there's nothing at all you can do about it, huh ?

I don't often watch Rachel Maddow's show, but she said something a few nights ago about making something like Godwin's law, but for people who cry "SOCIALISM!!1!"

The man point of her rant was that the people who claim XYZ candidate is a socialist or a marxist are just as dumb sounding and alarmist as the retards who bring up nazis every time they disagree with someone.

PROTIP: If you call Obama a marxist, everyone around you with half a braincell left will know you are an idiot.

Oh, and we covered this stupid interviewer the other day. She's an idjut. Moving on!