I hear at Obama's inauguration Ayers is going to come out like Zed in Superman II. we are all farked

Barack Obama gave Bill Ayers book a rave review, in 1997, for those of you keeping track at home that is supposedly before he ever heard of Bill Ayers

Obama was on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board in 1995. That's when he would have met Ayers for the first time, assuming they hadn't met before then.

Even under the Freeper scope, this article fails.

/Took me 31 seconds to find this information.

And this means I shouldn't vote for Barack Obama, because?

I hope they don't find my book reviews on Amazon.

Damn it.

Desperation is the new sensation.

Everyone knows you have to know an author well to critique his book

Well there's another good reason to vote for McCain.
Isn't it?

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: /Took me 31 seconds to find this information.

The average neocon has only a 3.1 second attention span unless it's something really shiny.

I'm tired of all these scandals that are scandals just because they are scandalous.

Psychotropic: And this means I shouldn't vote for Barack Obama, because?

It proves he is a liar willing to say anything in order to get elected. While it is true that all politicians lie, it undercuts the whole basis of the claim that he represents "Change".

notmtwain: It proves he is a liar willing to say anything in order to get elected. While it is true that all politicians lie, it undercuts the whole basis of the claim that he represents "Change".

If you believe the headline is true, please give us a source where Obama claims to have begun his acquaintance with Ayers at some point later than 1997. Because I'm pretty sure that the fundraiser Ayers hosted for Obama's state senate run, which Obama acknowledges fully, happened in 1996.

notmtwain: Psychotropic: And this means I shouldn't vote for Barack Obama, because?

It proves he is a liar willing to say anything in order to get elected. While it is true that all politicians lie, it undercuts the whole basis of the claim that he represents "Change".

How does this prove he's a liar? This is from 2 years after they served together on an educational board populated and set up by Republicans.

Well, the link is from Little Green Footballs, so you know it's completely reliable and/or unbiased.

This is proof of nothing more than the ignorance of the average Republican.

How could State Senator Barack Obama who launched his political career in Bill Ayres living room not have known Bill Ayers at the time of this book review?

Can't you people keep your lies straight?

Psychotropic: This is proof of nothing more than the ignorance of the average Republican.

How could State Senator Barack Obama who launched his political career in Bill Ayres living room not have known Bill Ayers at the time of this book review?

Can't you people keep your lies straight?

To be fair...when one is spinning that hard and fast...one gets dizzy. Tough to keep things straight when one is dizzy.

Where does it say in the link that it was before Obama says he met him? Or is this just a headline troll?

Atillathepun: notmtwain: Psychotropic: And this means I shouldn't vote for Barack Obama, because?

It proves he is a liar willing to say anything in order to get elected. While it is true that all politicians lie, it undercuts the whole basis of the claim that he represents "Change".

How does this prove he's a liar? This is from 2 years after they served together on an educational board populated and set up by Republicans.

It's not the date. It's that Obama has minimized the depth of his connection with Ayres. The blurbage proves a much closer relationship.

Obama had to have known Ayres was a terrorist and he had to have decided he was comfortable with that fact--because it was long in Ayres past,etc. He has never admitted making that judgement.

Looking back and "deploring" Ayres actions does not answer the question of why he was willing to serve with somebody like Ayres.

Personally, I could understand and excuse someone making that judgement. It bothers me that he won't admit to it and won't discuss it.

I don't understand why there are people around still stupid enough to bother clicking on Little Green Footballs links. There are a few sites on the internet populated by more worthlessly laughable idiots than that one, but not many.

notmtwain: The blurbage proves a much closer relationship.

Really? Where?

notmtwain: Looking back and "deploring" Ayres actions does not answer the question of why he was willing to serve with somebody like Ayres.

Personally, I could understand and excuse someone making that judgement. It bothers me that he won't admit to it and won't discuss it.

Jesus farking christ just give it a rest already. Obama isn't a terrorist nor does he support or condone domestic terrorist. And Ayers is not the devil..it's possible for intelligent people to want to read and gain a better understanding of things that they may not necessarily agree with. Do you think only Nazis have read Mein Kampf? In terms of his association, WHO THE FARK CARES! Does John McCain support murder and firebombing because he's a friend of G. Gordon Liddy? You have such a bug up your ass about Obama that you just want to hang on to this story that not even McCain believes!! Sarah Palin said herself the other day that she doesn't think Obama is anti-American. OMFG I think I'm just going to have to start putting you "Ayers!" morons on ignore...I can't take the stupidity anymore.

That does it, I am voting for Kodos.

I guess I'll be listing John Steinbeck and Aldous Huxley as personal references on my next resume seeing as how I read their books and gave them good reviews.

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: /Took me 31 seconds to find this information.

Unless it's something Reagan related, that's 30 seconds more than the attention span of the conservative media.

I think this headline was troll bait to get all the neocon retards to come out of hiding and cream their pants.

If so, well done subby.

Psychotropic: And this means I shouldn't vote for Barack Obama, because?

Associating with someone who bombed the Pentagon, amongst other things, and says in 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs, I feel we didn't do enough." and doesn't distance themselves kinda sends a questionable message about ones character. Obama could have easily dodged the issue by denouncing Ayers past actions and praising his current actions that don't involve explosives.

He didn't do that and didn't think anything of Ayers past until the question was raised by others. Thus it is an issue.

Of course Ayers says that their targets were buildings and not people. However I don't see a nail bomb as being anything but an anti-personnel device. If you want your bomb to be anti-materiel, there are better ways to go about building them. Being lucky/incompetent enough that nobody dies from your bombs doesn't exactly give you the high ground. Of course there are bombings where people WERE killed, but who did it couldn't be proven or disproven either way.

With McCain, he too has questionable character, but at least it is out in the open. While his actions and positions don't exactly make sense, you at least know what they are. They can also be partially be explained by the onset of senility.

Of course this doesn't solve the issue of, "Who is the best candidate." In reality, with the big two parties, the answer is "None of the above." Both have huge flaws and likely won't be much of an improvement over what we currently have.

The GOP had plenty of good candidates they could have chosen, but instead they went with the candidate that looked good 8 years ago.

jerry2a: notmtwain: Looking back and "deploring" Ayres actions does not answer the question of why he was willing to serve with somebody like Ayres.

Personally, I could understand and excuse someone making that judgement. It bothers me that he won't admit to it and won't discuss it.

Jesus farking christ just give it a rest already. Obama isn't a terrorist nor does he support or condone domestic terrorist. And Ayers is not the devil..it's possible for intelligent people to want to read and gain a better understanding of things that they may not necessarily agree with. Do you think only Nazis have read Mein Kampf? In terms of his association, WHO THE FARK CARES! Does John McCain support murder and firebombing because he's a friend of G. Gordon Liddy? You have such a bug up your ass about Obama that you just want to hang on to this story that not even McCain believes!! Sarah Palin said herself the other day that she doesn't think Obama is anti-American. OMFG I think I'm just going to have to start putting you "Ayers!" morons on ignore...I can't take the stupidity anymore.

Again, it's not about supporting terrorism; it's about the ethical compromises this guy will make to get elected. No one has ever suggested that McCain somehow personally supported S&L fraud, but it's still fair to ask why he was so close with the bad guys in that scandal. Acting like Ayres isn't important is bizarre. If McCain had a history of working with former Militia movement figures, it would get 5 days page 1 above the fold.

Crosshair: The GOP had plenty of good candidates they could have chosen, but instead they went with the candidate that looked good 8 years ago.

Oh god no. McCain was the best out of all the candidates. Which is really saying something.

filth: Acting like Ayres isn't important is bizarre. If McCain had a history of working with former Militia movement figures, it would get 5 days page 1 above the fold.

Ayers isn't important. There is nothing bizarre about acting like he isn't important when he isn't important.

filth: Again, it's not about supporting terrorism; it's about the ethical compromises this guy will make to get elected. No one has ever suggested that McCain somehow personally supported S&L fraud, but it's still fair to ask why he was so close with the bad guys in that scandal. Acting like Ayres isn't important is bizarre. If McCain had a history of working with former Militia movement figures, it would get 5 days page 1 above the fold.

so where were you during the primaries? this shiat isn't new.

Kome:

filth: Acting like Ayres isn't important is bizarre. If McCain had a history of working with former Militia movement figures, it would get 5 days page 1 above the fold.

Ayers isn't important. There is nothing bizarre about acting like he isn't important when he isn't important.

Good argument. Thanks for setting me straight.

baorao: filth: Again, it's not about supporting terrorism; it's about the ethical compromises this guy will make to get elected. No one has ever suggested that McCain somehow personally supported S&L fraud, but it's still fair to ask why he was so close with the bad guys in that scandal. Acting like Ayres isn't important is bizarre. If McCain had a history of working with former Militia movement figures, it would get 5 days page 1 above the fold.

so where were you during the primaries? this shiat isn't new.

It sure isn't, but the explanations keep changing.

CougarJeff: Well there's another good reason to vote for McCain.
Isn't it?

If so, it would be the first one.

Crosshair: With McCain, he too has questionable character, but at least it is out in the open.

That's the problem. He's openly praised and is proud of his connections with G. Gordon Liddy, but in the last 2 decades Liddy, not Ayers, is the one who overtly exhorted the public to violently rise up against the government of the United States.

Yet McCain thinks he is a great man. Obama thinks Ayers is a good person for Education Policy. Which is the opinion of many in both parties.

This is bad news....for McCain.

I've never ecen heard of Barack Obama before today, much less this Bill Ayers guy.

Kome: Oh god no. McCain was the best out of all the candidates. Which is really saying something.

I still say that they could have gone with Huckabee. I would never vote for the man, but at least he comes across as warm and personable, unlike McCain.

look, mouth-breathers - instead of scrounging around to try to find things to get people to vote against the other guy - why not find reasons for people to vote for your guy?

what's that? there aren't any? oh... now i get it. sucks to be you, i guess. still. there's always '16.

Crosshair: Psychotropic: And this means I shouldn't vote for Barack Obama, because?

Associating with someone who bombed the Pentagon, amongst other things, and says in 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs, I feel we didn't do enough." and doesn't distance themselves kinda sends a questionable message about ones character. Obama could have easily dodged the issue by denouncing Ayers past actions and praising his current actions that don't involve explosives.

Didn't you just take his quote, conveniently, entrely out of context to make your argument?

notmtwain:
Obama had to have known Ayres was a terrorist and he had to have decided he was comfortable with that fact--because it was long in Ayres past,etc. He has never admitted making that judgement.

Looking back and "deploring" Ayres actions does not answer the question of why he was willing to serve with somebody like Ayres.

Personally, I could understand and excuse someone making that judgement. It bothers me that he won't admit to it and won't discuss it.

Yeah, bullshiat, you don't give a damn about McCain's shady dealings and associates. And what the fark did you expect a nobody State Senator to do- once he found out about Ayers, screamed "OH MY FARKING GOD, GET AWAY FROM ME!!! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU!!!"

I don't know about you, but I was raised Christian. Our religion is founded around the example of a guy who thought, heck, why doesn't everyone be nice to each other for a change, and got nailed to a tree for espousing it. One of the things I was taught was "Hate the sin, not the sinner", and some other commie BS about the Golden rules and turning the other cheek and about enemies and friends. A bunch of namby-pamby BS I'm sure you don't have time for.

The man was serving on the board set up by a close friend and confidant of Ronald Reagan, among a few now maxed-out McCain donors, and was trying to improve education in inner-city Chicago. You don't give a damn about any of that- you just want to grasp at whatever straws you can to try and smear Senator Obama, since you know you can't win on any issues of substance.

Get lost. You, and people like you, are the reason the Republican party needs to burn to the ground. If we can rebuild a respectful party out of it's ashes, you better believe you won't be a part of it.

Obdicut: notmtwain: The blurbage proves a much closer relationship.

Really? Where?

Didn't you know? Obama and Ayers are BFF. You can see that they both have half a BFF heart around their necks. They spend hours on-line going 'You're cute. No you're cute.'

Maddening!

FlashHarry: look, mouth-breathers - instead of scrounging around to try to find things to get people to vote against the other guy - why not find reasons for people to vote for your guy?

what's that? there aren't any? oh... now i get it. sucks to be you, i guess. still. there's always '16.

And this is why this Ayers story has no traction outside the right-wing echo chamber. The voters want a candidate who can tell us what we should do to get out of the mess this nation is in. All McCain is giving us is "Ayers! ACORN! Ayers! ACORN!"

It's old and busted.

ragekage: Get lost. You, and people like you, are the reason the Republican party needs to burn to the ground. If we can rebuild a respectful party out of it's ashes, you better believe you won't be a part of it.

If you can get the Republican Party out of the hands of these idiots and turn it into a fiscally conservative party that supports small government, I will start voting for Republican candidates.

/undeclared, voting for Obama

headline is full of fail

You've got to be farking kidding me.

Economy in shambles? Check.

Thousands of dead American soldiers toughing it out in two increasingly un"win"nable wars? Check.

This shiat helping the McCain campaign? Not so much.

jake_lex: FlashHarry: look, mouth-breathers - instead of scrounging around to try to find things to get people to vote against the other guy - why not find reasons for people to vote for your guy?

what's that? there aren't any? oh... now i get it. sucks to be you, i guess. still. there's always '16.

And this is why this Ayers story has no traction outside the right-wing echo chamber. The voters want a candidate who can tell us what we should do to get out of the mess this nation is in. All McCain is giving us is "Ayers! ACORN! Ayers! ACORN!"

It's old and busted.

I thought he was saying we could all just eat air and acorns. Now I'm really confused.

/back to my plumbing

OK part of that didn't make sense, it was a reading comprehension test, actually.

/Need breakfast.

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: /Took me 31 seconds to find this information.

I smell a commie plant.

ExJerseyGirl: If you can get the Republican Party out of the hands of these idiots and turn it into a fiscally conservative party that supports small government, I will start voting for Republican candidates.

Don't blame me, I voted for Romney.

/True story at my families house last night....

"I can't believe how many stupid people think Obama is going to be good for this country."

Followed promptly by me...

"I can't believe how many stupid people think McCain is going to be any good for this country."

End of stupid conversation.

DarkJohnson: I hope they don't find my book reviews on Amazon.

Damn it.

Ha. I just read the Bloody William furry thread. I imagine something similar but in book review form.

/a sincere bow to Bloody William

Psychotropic: This is proof of nothing more than the ignorance of the average Republican.

How could State Senator Barack Obama who launched his political career in Bill Ayres living room not have known Bill Ayers at the time of this book review?

Can't you people keep your lies straight?

Amen, brother.

And don't forget, Ayers was the doctor that delivered Barack as a baby in Indonesia.

notmtwain: It proves he is a liar willing to say anything in order to get elected. While it is true that all politicians lie, it undercuts the whole basis of the claim that he represents "Change".

What is the lie, again? Obama doesn't say that he doesn't know the man. Obama has said that he doesn't know the man well and isn't buddies with him. Doing a book review of a guy's book doesn't really scream out, "Oh, they're TOTALLY buddies!" Does that mean John Varley, Steven Brust and I are friends? If so...cool.

Crosshair: Of course Ayers says that their targets were buildings and not people.

So was Timothy McVeigh's target.

Funny to see the Dems dancing on this one. The same time last year they were trying to establish a similar link (though significantly weaker IMO, but I guess I'm biased) to Ron Paul and racism.