Ooooh new Ogre. Hopefully he skull farked Paris Hilton while working on Repo.

What can I say, I love the puppys... Im Canadian and old enough to have seen them at least 3 times live back in the days... and the one around the end of the 80's for VIVIsectVI tour was my favorite

It was the show either before or after they got arrested in Toronto because the singer would open up a dog onstage with surgical gloves and pull gore out of it. Of course the dog was fake, but it was hard to tell. They were really, really good live. I think they still are but havent seen the recent reunion

VIVI is the obvious classic, i also prefer MIND, I like "too dark dark" its nice and dense and "Last rights": it's one hell of a drug trip to listen to. The instrumental disk of BRap Back&forth 3&4 is nice too

skinny puppy sucks. go buy reasonable shoes.

I do love me the Ohgr albums. Completely different from Puppy, mind you, but they're still pretty damn awesome. New album is certainly a day one purchase.

Even better, Ohgr is coming here on Nov 26. I cannot freaking wait to see him again. That dude puts on the absolute greatest live show you will ever see. Guaranteed.

I really enjoyed them during my acid/shroom days, most people just wont get them though

I spent many many hours listening to Too Dark Park and VIVISectVI. In my opinion they are the finest industrial albums ever created.

Rabies and Last Rights were also fun..

I suppose I should listen to some of this Ohgr, you all speak of...


/Remission, Too Dark Park, The Process
//I did not like Mind:TPI, Last Rights was mostly okay (my copy has the tracks mis-aligned!)

mekkab: I suppose I should listen to some of this Ohgr, you all speak of...

Same here.

Never got the chance to see Skinny Puppy play, but I did get to see him on stage with Pigface once upon a time. Fantastic show.

Gilgongo!: Never got the chance to see Skinny Puppy play, but I did get to see him on stage with Pigface once upon a time. Fantastic show.

I saw that show when it passed through on this side of the world as well. Good stuff. Every once and I while I read a little tidbit about Repo!, I've been waiting patiently.

Eh, first Ohgr album was a grower, but I haven't been interested in anything he's put out since. Even the new SP albums are pretty bad.

I saw puppy in NYC last year, altho the crowd was a bunch of pussies. Everyone stood there like statues all gothed up. How could you just stand there at a puppy show? I went with a group of people that loved jumping around and getting into it and i remember seeing on the puppy board someone wrote a topic complaining about them! hahaha. If you're not gonna be into the show, don't hangout in the front middle.

I got to see Ohgr perform in support of their first album.

Great show.

I saw it at a place where they had bathroom attendants, and the guy (who was rather old) asked me "Why is everyone wearing all that black?"

That made my night.

This is definitely the thread for me.



It's so rare that a huge SP fan gets a thread dedicated to his passion for cEvin and Ogre. (But moreso cEvin). I've seen SP 5 times since Too Dark Park live (which I almost lost my mind at thanks to heroic doses of LSD), Download once, Pigface twice (But only with Ogre), and Ogre with cEvin on drums twice. cEvin is my idol.





The new oHgr album is not too bad. I've listened to it about 4 times. It is very cohesive and definitely has it's moments. I love the quasi-tattoo devil graphic on his website.

I suggest of he's coming to your town to GO SEE HIM. Not only will he put on a good show, but the opener is a really cool project called American Memory from extended Skinny Puppy members William Morrison and Justin Bennett. According to Morrison: "The theoretical context of the project is that some time in the very distance future, long after America is gone, some artists scouring the backwater of whatever the net has become discover the American Memory Archive. They have no context for it's meaning but are intrigued by the sights and sounds. They create surreal impressions of the material they find and broadcast it back through time. A quantum radio channel beamed into the sub conscious minds of the 21st century."

Go check out the trailer. It looks rad. If you liked the visuals during TGWOTR tour, you'll dig it.

you'll dig it

/Pardon the pun

I've seen SP 3 different times. I don't even really like that kind of music all that much anymore, but I still think the Skinny Puppy concerts were the best shows ever.

DeepDownHounds:
I suggest of he's coming to your town to GO SEE HIM. Not only will he put on a good show, but the opener is a really cool project called American Memory from extended Skinny Puppy members William Morrison and Justin Bennett. According to Morrison: "The theoretical context of the project is that some time in the very distance future, long after America is gone, some artists scouring the backwater of whatever the net has become discover the American Memory Archive. They have no context for it's meaning but are intrigued by the sights and sounds. They create surreal impressions of the material they find and broadcast it back through time. A quantum radio channel beamed into the sub conscious minds of the 21st century."

Go check out the trailer. It looks rad. If you liked the visuals during TGWOTR tour, you'll dig it.

Interesting, thanks for the heads-up. I'm just glad it's not Otto Von Schirach this time around. I know the SP guys love him (and I have nothing against his brand of "music"), but I thought he was pretty damn awful in a live setting.

I caught Puppy on their last two tours, but missed Ohgr his last time through. Glad I get a chance to rectify that mistake.

DeepDownHounds: This is definitely the thread for me.



It's so rare that a huge SP fan gets a thread dedicated to his passion for cEvin and Ogre.


T.

I have been trying for a while to get a green headline with skinny puppy in it, never thought it would be through Rolling Stone tho.

Kudos for being the only person who showed me a picture of what Ogre really looks like. Like mentioned, saw them live many times, many pictures ect... yet, the dude could be standing next to me, I wouldnt' have a clue

another disk no one mentioned is Tear Garden "tired eyes slowly burning" that is pretty good...

Also, listen to Cabaret Voltaire? i recently got their "first" album "Red Mecca" from 1981... it sounds like early Puppy (so does "covenant, the sword and the arm of the lord")

The early Braps really do it for me, 2, 3 & 4 in particular. Mind bending stuff on there. Also, Everything from Too Dark Park to Mythmaker. I like the new stuff, but it almost sounds too perfect, or too digital. I like their sound in general better on their earlier stuff, altho I imagine it is much easier for them to work on stuff now with computers. Oh yea, and the first to OhGr albums rock, hopefully the new one will be good too.

As someone that woke up to Too Dark Park this morning, this thread is relevant to my interests.

I haven't really listened to too much of the post D.R. Goettel stuff from Skinny Puppy members (The Process was alright, and I don't like the two new albums at all), but Download's Furnace is a great mindfark. However, with the way that OhGr talks about putting his new album together, it sounds pretty interesting and I'll give it a listen.

FeedTheCollapse: Eh, first Ohgr album was a grower, but I haven't been interested in anything he's put out since. Even the new SP albums are pretty bad.

You know, I'd agree with you on The Greater Wrong Of The Right, the "reunion" album, but IMO Mythmaker was a pretty impressive return to form; "Magnifishiat", "Dal" and "Pasturn" are still in heavy rotation on my ipod while I've pretty much been able to pretend that TGWOTR never existed. Seemed like on the first record, they were still working through their differences during the creative process - the rumor's I've heard were that they worked on the album mostly in back-and-forth shifts, not anything close to a real collaboration - where on Mythmaker Mark Walk was able to play referee so to speak and foster a much more cohesive creative effort. He's pretty much taken over the Dwyane Goettel role in the band, and seems to be a much-needed influence moving Key and Ogre forward.

That's not to say that Key and Ogre aren't extremely talented in their own right - just that they work best with some outside "quality control" that was sorely missing from the first reunion record. It also took a long time for them to fully rebuild their personal and creative relationships - the original split was acrimonious as all hell, especially after Goettel died - which we're finally hearing the results of.

I'd still love to hear what would happen if Dave Ogilvie came back behind the mixing desk, though...

Gratch I'm just glad it's not Otto Von Schirach this time around. I know the SP guys love him (and I have nothing against his brand of "music"), but I thought he was pretty damn awful in a live setting.

Yeah, I've had to sit through that guy 3 times, each performance more excruciating than the first. It's basically just a guy in a fez and a fake breast-plate sonically jacking off with a Powerbook and a mic. It's not music, and each time he plays a song it's more or less random noise.

And just for the record, I refuse to acknowledge The Process whatsoever. I don't listen to it, I don't reference it, and I certainly don't recommend it to anyone wanting to know anything about SP's music. In my eyes, that was SP's nadir. "Last Rights" was kinda weak (although with a few gems like Mirror Saw and Inquisition on it) and it proved that you just can't follow an achievement like Too Dark Park. The Process proved that if you can't do anything better than Last Rights, give it up. They fought hard to get that record together before and after Dwayne died, but the sad truth was that Skinny Puppy was dead at that point. Especially when there were such sublime recordings like Doubting Thomas' The Infidel and The Tear Garden Albums.

Mind: TPI is probably my favorite SP album. But then again, ViViSECTvi and Too Dark Park are both masterpieces, too. See? This is why I'm such a fan!

And now, for you fans, here's a portion of the Twilight Zone episode 'Elegy", where all those great samples from "200 Years" came from.

"Your majesty. I don't blame the judges. You're the prettiest of them all. But tell me something your majesty...what's wrong with you? WHAT'S WRONG WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS CRAZY PLACE? Answer me! Can't you talk, can't you move? ANSWER ME!"

DeepDownHounds:
And just for the record, I refuse to acknowledge The Process whatsoever. I don't listen to it, I don't reference it, and I certainly don't recommend it to anyone wanting to know anything about SP's music. In my eyes, that was SP's nadir. "Last Rights" was kinda weak (although with a few gems like Mirror Saw and Inquisition on it) and it proved that you just can't follow an achievement like Too Dark Park. The Process proved that if you can't do anything better than Last Rights, give it up.

Being a late adopter (first thing I ever heard from SP was Too Dark Park), I really liked The Process. However, I can certainly see how it would have been a real turn-off to the folks who liked the sound of the early albums. Interestingly, that album has been the "gateway drug" that has gotten many of my friends hooked on SP. To each their own, I suppose.

DeepDownHounds: "Your majesty. I don't blame the judges. You're the prettiest of them all. But tell me something your majesty...what's wrong with you? WHAT'S WRONG WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS CRAZY PLACE? Answer me! Can't you talk, can't you move? ANSWER ME!"

Heh, I watched "The Tenant" a few months ago and let out a loud squeal when I heard the "Take out my stomach, my kidneys..." line - I'd had no clue where that sample had come from before...

Gratch Being a late adopter (first thing I ever heard from SP was Too Dark Park), I really liked The Process. However, I can certainly see how it would have been a real turn-off to the folks who liked the sound of the early albums. Interestingly, that album has been the "gateway drug" that has gotten many of my friends hooked on SP. To each their own, I suppose.

Yeah, I hear that from people a lot. It makes sense because The Process was the only viable SP output in the last 15 years. No one is gonna hear about a band, then run out and buy their early stuff. You want to hear the recent stuff, so I totally understand that. I had just been following SP since my freshman year in '86, so The Process was a drop-off point for me because it was tainted with guitars and it had no great electronic soundscapes and samples like I had grown to love. I actually didn't like Rabies when it came out because it sounded too aggressive and Al Jourgenson tainted it with all his guitars. (I'm not a Ministry fan) Of course, I quickly changed my tune because that album is really farking good.

Yeah, I don't rag on peoples preferences in SP albums. If you're listening to them, that's cool with me. The process isn't terrible, it just doesn't represent my SP love. I'm more into the cool electronic cEvin/Dwayne aspect of SP, not the aggro side.

rekoil, don't you just love that feeling of hearing your favorite samples in a show or movie? I flipped out when I saw that Twilight Zone episode and heard all those samples. No one I was with even gave a damn, either!

Gratch: "Last Rights" was kinda weak

WTF? Weak, Last Rights is just as strong as TDP. Last Rights is a great album. But then again, I always thought VIVISECTVI was a bit overrated just because it has a "hit" on it. I guess to each his own. I also got a lot more love for Rabies since I bought remaster, for years I only had the original edition.

skinny puppy related thread! about frickin time!....again

good to see many puppy fans in here as well.

i have nothing to say that hasn't already been said and i doubt anyone would care about what i think of each album...but if you're reading this and you don't know skinny puppy and family, then let me tell you this...

skinny puppy is a band that i would consider true pioneers of evolutionary art. they evolve every album and they aren't afraid to experiment and step outside of the boundaries. especially the ones they make after each album.

not only is their music incredibly interesting and creative, they write about important things and aren't just in it for the appearance factor so many other musicians try to cash in on. i listen to skinny puppy almost every day and i never get tired of them. it may not be your taste in music, but you owe it to yourself to listen to one of the greatest bands alive.

once they're gone, (as all living things tend to do at some point) they will be recognized and praised as one of the most creative and integral musicians that have walked the earth.

/has a boner for SP

oh, and speaking of samples...

deep down trauma hounds has a sample from a bugs bunny cartoon with the mad scientist and the big orange hairy monster thing.

"a wee bit small..but it'll have to do..."

i heard that and also flipped out.

The weirdest sample I found in Skinny Puppy's music is in "Assimilate" (the version on the CHAINSAW ep) its got TINA TURNER, from a COKE commercial: at one point you hear her going "you got THE TASTE!"

But my faves are the classic exorcist samples in "Burnt in Water"

djmcbasemaster2dxtreme: Gratch: "Last Rights" was kinda weak

WTF? Weak, Last Rights is just as strong as TDP. Last Rights is a great album. But then again, I always thought VIVISECTVI was a bit overrated just because it has a "hit" on it. I guess to each his own. I also got a lot more love for Rabies since I bought remaster, for years I only had the original edition.

Huh? I never said Last Rights is weak. I have no idea who you were quoting there, but it certainly wasn't me. I love that album.

FYI, SPV is streaming two songs from the new album here (new window). Love both of them, and now I'm even more excited for this CD. Damn good stuff.

Gratch: djmcbasemaster2dxtreme: Gratch: "Last Rights" was kinda weak

WTF? Weak, Last Rights is just as strong as TDP. Last Rights is a great album. But then again, I always thought VIVISECTVI was a bit overrated just because it has a "hit" on it. I guess to each his own. I also got a lot more love for Rabies since I bought remaster, for years I only had the original edition.

Huh? I never said Last Rights is weak. I have no idea who you were quoting there, but it certainly wasn't me. I love that album.

FYI, SPV is streaming two songs from the new album here (new window). Love both of them, and now I'm even more excited for this CD. Damn good stuff.

thanks for the link. The first song had some good part but wasnt' 100% convinced, but the second song is good and very SP-like ....

so i might have to check it out. I Stopped keeping up with them somewhere before the Process. To be honest I have not even listened to "The Process" , although i did buy that remix album with Ogre doing a re-take of "Smothered HOpe" but that disk was a waste of money, imo.

1min.therapy.session: deep down trauma hounds has a sample from a bugs bunny cartoon with the mad scientist and the big orange hairy monster thing.

All the samples in that song come from Bugs Bunny.

i heard them back in the day
through friends

mid eighties

thought they sucked

but i was a pretty pretentious bastard at the time
musically.

can anybody suggest a tune or three that i should listen to
if reviewing with more open ears this time around?

davynelson: can anybody suggest a tune or three that i should listen to
if reviewing with more open ears this time around?

Smothered Hope
Assimilate
Dig it
One time, one place
VX gas attack
Testure
Harsh Stone White
Tin Omen
Worlock
Spasmolytic
Killing game
choralone

I stopped paying attention to them around that time (1992)...

(All videos are not safe for lunch, and possibly not safe for work.)

Skinny Puppy: The only band that has sold more t-shirts than albums.

/Yeah, I said it!!!

Gratch: I do love me the Ohgr albums. Completely different from Puppy, mind you, but they're still pretty damn awesome. New album is certainly a day one purchase.

Even better, Ohgr is coming here on Nov 26. I cannot freaking wait to see him again. That dude puts on the absolute greatest live show you will ever see. Guaranteed.

this. i've seen him with KMFDM, Pigface, Ohgr, and in 2004 on the GWoTR tour.

/kickass

I'm just glad it's not Otto Von Schirach this time around.

Oh Dear Christ yes.

Skinny Puppy: The only band that has sold more t-shirts than albums.

Hafta admit ... funny.

I have a fond memory of buying the Tim Omen single on vinyl from Wax Trax here in Chicago. I got home to play it and scared the crap out of my mom.

Gratch: djmcbasemaster2dxtreme: Gratch: "Last Rights" was kinda weak

Huh? I never said Last Rights is weak. I have no idea who you were quoting there, but it certainly wasn't me. I love that album.

Sorry. I was quoting your quote from deepdownhounds.