so glad I don't do school no more!!!!
still working hard, not academically though.
hey but that was news, this is Fark!!

The change, however, has been welcomed by many principals and teachers who believe that students should face more consequences for failure.

Welcome to the real world, kiddies.

This deserves the HERO tag.

Awwww.... the kids might FAIL at something. Best thing that could happen to them. A lesson in real life for as change.

Don't worry, i'm sure the teachers union will put a stop to it somehow.

Generation_D: Don't worry, i'm sure the teachers union will put a stop to it somehow.

Why would the teacher's union be against this? From my understanding, most teachers support this move.

Good! High school diplomas used to mean that people had met a certain standard of education. How often do we see articles on here about how kids in middle school can't read?

All this is going to do is discourage the students. The teacher tells them that they are a failure. How do you think the students are going to feel? This is why schools are in such a mess. Why is it the teachers are allowed to sit there and insult and demean the students like this? Everything should be done to help the children feel good about themselves and show them that everyone can succeed, not just the privileged few in the honors classes.

Stop the lie that every child needs to go or is suited for college. Bring back technical programs instead of the constant push for more college prep.

Equipment operators, welders, carpenters, secretaries, COMPETENT clerical staff are all needed positions and there IS NOTHING wrong with working those jobs. Many even pay better managing the GAP with your criminal justice degree.

rosenthd: Generation_D: Don't worry, i'm sure the teachers union will put a stop to it somehow.

Why would the teacher's union be against this? From my understanding, most teachers support this move.

'cuz they would have to deal with the dipshiats for another year in the same class.

portscanner: All this is going to do is discourage the students. The teacher tells them that they are a failure. How do you think the students are going to feel? This is why schools are in such a mess. Why is it the teachers are allowed to sit there and insult and demean the students like this? Everything should be done to help the children feel good about themselves and show them that everyone can succeed, not just the privileged few in the honors classes.

9/10... you will hook quite a few with that I think

man, i shouldve gone to a VoTech type school. all the guys who became mechanics and plumbers make a boat load more money than me.

skills and trades are where it's at.

/FU BA/BS

I'm glad there's such a concern for the student athletes not getting to play, as opposed to, you know, not learning anything.

Mandapants: I'm glad there's such a concern for the student athletes not getting to play, as opposed to, you know, not learning anything.

Dude, do you know how much money a strong athletic program and good booster can bring into the school?!

The Flexecutioner: rosenthd: Generation_D: Don't worry, i'm sure the teachers union will put a stop to it somehow.

Why would the teacher's union be against this? From my understanding, most teachers support this move.

'cuz they would have to deal with the dipshiats for another year in the same class.

Maybe I interpreted TFA wrong, but it seems that people with those so called N-graders would still have to do another year in the same class if they needed credit to graduate. This change stops students from playing the system, since they could just say 'oh, well this grade sucks and I won't get into college with it. I'll just quit rite now lol'

FTA: "not a single student has received an E, a mark more commonly known as an F"

Well, no wonder they are failing, they can't even get the alphabet right...

portscanner: All this is going to do is discourage the students. The teacher tells them that they are a failure. How do you think the students are going to feel? This is why schools are in such a mess. Why is it the teachers are allowed to sit there and insult and demean the students like this? Everything should be done to help the children feel good about themselves and show them that everyone can succeed, not just the privileged few in the honors classes.

Yes. Because the school system did SO well when they had no measurement for failure.

Its time to radically change the education system in this country. So that no child gets left behind. (yea, I stoled that line, sue me)


The traditional 13 years of before-college education needs to be scrapped. What need to be set up is an education system based on a module completion of basic reading, Science, English Language and mathematics. The time frame for needs to be done away with and school needs to be year round. With subjects in module format students would be required to complete the current educational module before going on to the next one. This would allow slow learners to master subjects at their own pace and fast learners to move ahead of their peer at their own pace allowing resources to be focused on the students that need the additional help. This would also allow students who are proficient in mathematics but weak in other subjects to move on to the next mathematics class while mastering other subjects.

This is just my idea how we should educate in this country.

I am not a teacher or anything in the business.

There are probably lots of things I left out here. Its just a start.

Taima: FTA: "not a single student has received an E, a mark more commonly known as an F"

Well, no wonder they are failing, they can't even get the alphabet right...

I lol'd

The School Board also had voted that, for the purposes of graduation, failing grades can be left out of the GPA equation.

Then why bother bringing back the "F" that is an "E" at all? Really. they're bound and determined to just be a babysitting service.

FTFA: "The change, however, has been welcomed by many principals and teachers who believe that students should face more consequences for failure."

Sounds good to me. Now if we could just get teachers to face consequences for failure (or at least be rewarded for success) they might actually improve education.

Of course, we can't have that, now can we teacher's union?

The return of the E could cause difficulties for some athletes because the school district requires students to have a C average to play.

Aw the poor little athletes might have to do their homework after practice. Maybe they'll learn that life isn't about chasing a dumb ball around.

?

wrenchboy: Its time to radically change the education system in this country. So that no child gets left behind. (yea, I stoled that line, sue me)


The traditional 13 years of before-college education needs to be scrapped. What need to be set up is an education system based on a module completion of basic reading, Science, English Language and mathematics. The time frame for needs to be done away with and school needs to be year round. With subjects in module format students would be required to complete the current educational module before going on to the next one. This would allow slow learners to master subjects at their own pace and fast learners to move ahead of their peer at their own pace allowing resources to be focused on the students that need the additional help. This would also allow students who are proficient in mathematics but weak in other subjects to move on to the next mathematics class while mastering other subjects.

This is just my idea how we should educate in this country.

I am not a teacher or anything in the business.

There are probably lots of things I left out here. Its just a start.

People like you are the reason why the world is such a mess. The school system should be teaching important issues, like how to get along with your fellow man, gay studies, black studies and proper sexual intercourse procedures. We are cranking out all to many students who are focused on how to build businesses on the backs of the poor and the oppressed and dont have any idea how to intimately interface with their fellow man.

Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom. They can do a good job of screwing everyone, but where is the love?

GoldSpider: ?

badumtish (new window)

Do you mean "left below"??

portscanner: People like you are the reason why the world is such a mess. The school system should be teaching important issues, like how to get along with your fellow man, gay studies, black studies and proper sexual intercourse procedures. We are cranking out all to many students who are focused on how to build businesses on the backs of the poor and the oppressed and dont have any idea how to intimately interface with their fellow man.

Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom. They can do a good job of screwing everyone, but where is the love?

Not as good as the first one, but still 7/10. I'd have given it an 8, except for the assertion about handling a balance sheet when many of them can't do basic arithmetic.

portscanner: Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom. They can do a good job of screwing everyone, but where is the love?

Not bad but you did stretch a bit far on that one. 6/10

wrenchboy: Its time to radically change the education system in this country. So that no child gets left behind. (yea, I stoled that line, sue me)


The traditional 13 years of before-college education needs to be scrapped. What need to be set up is an education system based on a module completion of basic reading, Science, English Language and mathematics. The time frame for needs to be done away with and school needs to be year round. With subjects in module format students would be required to complete the current educational module before going on to the next one. This would allow slow learners to master subjects at their own pace and fast learners to move ahead of their peer at their own pace allowing resources to be focused on the students that need the additional help. This would also allow students who are proficient in mathematics but weak in other subjects to move on to the next mathematics class while mastering other subjects.

So what's your thoughts on gun rights and abortion?
These are important. I can't in good faith write you in as a presidential candidate without knowing.

/Wrenchboy 2008

ChubbyTiger: portscanner: People like you are the reason why the world is such a mess. The school system should be teaching important issues, like how to get along with your fellow man, gay studies, black studies and proper sexual intercourse procedures. We are cranking out all to many students who are focused on how to build businesses on the backs of the poor and the oppressed and dont have any idea how to intimately interface with their fellow man.

Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom. They can do a good job of screwing everyone, but where is the love?

Not as good as the first one, but still 7/10. I'd have given it an 8, except for the assertion about handling a balance sheet when many of them can't do basic arithmetic.

1+1=3?

hienekenftw: 1+1=3?

It's OK though, I'll give you an N.

No kidding! I know kids from the Seattle area that can't read their own diplomas, yet they can regurgitate every DNC political slogan concerning every issue you can imagine.

Well done, teacher's union. Pretty useless.

wrenchboy, perhaps you should consider running for some form of office? Seriously, love your ideas.

Also, if you replace every instance of "N" in the article with "the N-word", it's much more amusing.

ChubbyTiger: portscanner: People like you are the reason why the world is such a mess. The school system should be teaching important issues, like how to get along with your fellow man, gay studies, black studies and proper sexual intercourse procedures. We are cranking out all to many students who are focused on how to build businesses on the backs of the poor and the oppressed and dont have any idea how to intimately interface with their fellow man.

Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom. They can do a good job of screwing everyone, but where is the love?

Not as good as the first one, but still 7/10. I'd have given it an 8, except for the assertion about handling a balance sheet when many of them can't do basic arithmetic.

Good point. I'll do better next time.

Why would the teacher's union be against this? From my understanding, most teachers support this move.

Because from the union's point of view, the teachers whose OWN performance is taken into consideration and having to flunk students would somehow reflect a downward trend for the teachers. They want don't want their teachers to "fail."

Not all teachers agree with this reasoning.

/volunteered at Seattle Public Schools for 6 years
//system is so farked that I moved my kid to private school
/// still volunteering at Seattle Public Schools though

District officials say former Chief Academic Officer June Rimmer banished the failing E grade seven years ago, in part to help some students meet the district's then-new requirement that students had to have a C average to graduate.

I don't think she thought her cunning plan all the way through

wrenchboy: Its time to radically change the education system in this country. So that no child gets left behind. (yea, I stoled that line, sue me)


The traditional 13 years of before-college education needs to be scrapped. What need to be set up is an education system based on a module completion of basic reading, Science, English Language and mathematics. The time frame for needs to be done away with and school needs to be year round. With subjects in module format students would be required to complete the current educational module before going on to the next one. This would allow slow learners to master subjects at their own pace and fast learners to move ahead of their peer at their own pace allowing resources to be focused on the students that need the additional help. This would also allow students who are proficient in mathematics but weak in other subjects to move on to the next mathematics class while mastering other subjects.

This is just my idea how we should educate in this country.

I am not a teacher or anything in the business.

There are probably lots of things I left out here. Its just a start.

how are you supposed to work the football season around that?

From TFA: The change, however, has been welcomed by many principals and teachers who believe that students should face more consequences for failure.

GOOD.

portscanner: wrenchboy: Its time to radically change the education system in this country. So that no child gets left behind. (yea, I stoled that line, sue me)


The traditional 13 years of before-college education needs to be scrapped. What need to be set up is an education system based on a module completion of basic reading, Science, English Language and mathematics. The time frame for needs to be done away with and school needs to be year round. With subjects in module format students would be required to complete the current educational module before going on to the next one. This would allow slow learners to master subjects at their own pace and fast learners to move ahead of their peer at their own pace allowing resources to be focused on the students that need the additional help. This would also allow students who are proficient in mathematics but weak in other subjects to move on to the next mathematics class while mastering other subjects.

This is just my idea how we should educate in this country.

I am not a teacher or anything in the business.

There are probably lots of things I left out here. Its just a start.

People like you are the reason why the world is such a mess. The school system should be teaching important issues, like how to get along with your fellow man, gay studies, black studies and proper sexual intercourse procedures. We are cranking out all to many students who are focused on how to build businesses on the backs of the poor and the oppressed and dont have any idea how to intimately interface with their fellow man.

Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom. They can do a good job of screwing everyone, but where is the love?

Did you even read what I said?? I only offered a solution that I think is practical. If anyone can add to this or suggest something better I'm all ears.

All the issues you bring up while they are important issues should be the parents responsibility.

And Garfield High School Principal Ted Howard II says the return to the E needs to be accompanied by intensive support for students who arrive in high school performing below grade level, so they have a chance to earn passing grades.

i know it's dumb of me to bring this up but just how or why do these kids get to high school if they are preforming below grade level?

maybe that's the problem here.

Lamune_Baba: wrenchboy: Its time to radically change the education system in this country. So that no child gets left behind. (yea, I stoled that line, sue me)


The traditional 13 years of before-college education needs to be scrapped. What need to be set up is an education system based on a module completion of basic reading, Science, English Language and mathematics. The time frame for needs to be done away with and school needs to be year round. With subjects in module format students would be required to complete the current educational module before going on to the next one. This would allow slow learners to master subjects at their own pace and fast learners to move ahead of their peer at their own pace allowing resources to be focused on the students that need the additional help. This would also allow students who are proficient in mathematics but weak in other subjects to move on to the next mathematics class while mastering other subjects.

So what's your thoughts on gun rights and abortion?
These are important. I can't in good faith write you in as a presidential candidate without knowing.

/Wrenchboy 2008

If you want a gun buy one. Be trained to use it. And if you have a criminal record, sorry no guns for you. (yeah right)

No against abortion. Should be a basic human right. But dammit use protection or keep you legs closed.

portscanner: Good point. I'll do better next time.

Just trying to be constructive. Still much better than I usually do. :)

Solar Plexus!: wrenchboy, perhaps you should consider running for some form of office? Seriously, love your ideas.

Also, if you replace every instance of "N" in the article with "the N-word", it's much more amusing.

And the problem is my ideas make too much sense. Career politicians would have me shot just so they have job security.


I thought the same thing about "the N-word" too. Odd how the "thats racist" kid has not shown up yet.

Let's just blame the teachers.

Let's raise all the grades so an F becomes a D. An A can be 11.

portscanner: All this is going to do is discourage the students. The teacher tells them that they are a failure. How do you think the students are going to feel? This is why schools are in such a mess. Why is it the teachers are allowed to sit there and insult and demean the students like this? Everything should be done to help the children feel good about themselves and show them that everyone can succeed, not just the privileged few in the honors classes.

Troll!

portscanner: Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom.

My H.S. biology teacher taught us how to use condoms by making us unroll them onto bananas.

/Seattle public schools y'all

Warren G Harding: portscanner: Children are coming out of school, more concerned about the color green than their neighbor's color. They know how to handle a balance sheet, but not a condom.

My H.S. biology teacher taught us how to use condoms by making us unroll them onto bananas.

/Seattle public schools y'all


Banana goes where??

portscanner: All this is going to do is discourage the students. The teacher tells them that they are a failure. How do you think the students are going to feel? This is why schools are in such a mess. Why is it the teachers are allowed to sit there and insult and demean the students like this? Everything should be done to help the children feel good about themselves and show them that everyone can succeed, not just the privileged few in the honors classes.

Because that's the way real life works, and high school is partly responsible for exposing people to this harsh thing called "reality". I believe this type of "education" is directly responsible for the inflated sense of self entitlement that I've commonly seen in the 25-35 year old range.

wrenchboy: So what's your thoughts on gun rights and abortion?
These are important. I can't in good faith write you in as a presidential candidate without knowing.

/Wrenchboy 2008

If you want a gun buy one. Be trained to use it. And if you have a criminal record, sorry no guns for you. (yeah right)

No against abortion. Should be a basic human right. But dammit use protection or keep you legs closed.

*nods thoughtfully, taking notes*

I like it. Get yourself a milfy librarian as a running mate, and you're got a campaign.