If it's old enough to survive out of the mother then it's not abortion it's murder. Many states will charge homicide for killing an unborn baby in the course of murdering a woman. Where is the inconsistency? Partial birth abortion, this is what Senator Obama refused to vote against.

Giving birth carries with it a certain risk of complications, including death of the woman/mother due to blood loss. If a woman is required by federal law to give birth to a rapist's child, the government is responsible for any harm that occurs as a result- including death. But maternal death isn't all there is to worry about. Additionally, the woman will have medical bills to pay, and irreversible physical and mental trauma as a direct result of birthing the rapist's child. The government will be responsible for these things as well.

I don't want a government that is responsible for killing or harming rape victims.

It's just this silly, folks

It's just this silly

The only reason this is an issue is because people are too stupid to understand how Obama voted.

bearfolks get your facts together. Obama voted against the fed provision because Illinois already had protections in place that would have been castrated had Obama voted in favor of the provision.


Jesus, doesn't anyone actually read the stuff or do they just parrot other morons?

The government needs to stay the fark out of these decisions. The Republicans appear to want to make sure we all procreate, but they sure as hell don't want to do anything after the child is born.

/keep YOUR religion out of my government
//ALL of them

Yeah, I guess the mother of the 16 year old daughter could just keep her kid out of school for 8 months, say it was mono, and then pass the baby off as her own.

Snap

Does too.

Does not.

Hitler.

/patents new "abortion thread compression technique".

First of all, how is Sarah Palin, as VP (the job she's running for) going to make law at all? Kthx.

Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

More anti-Palin headline trolling, now with greenlight.

Can we get finished with making fun of Sarah Palin sooner rather than later?

I hope to God we never hear of her ever again after the first week in November.

She embarrasses me to be American.

JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Wonder how "statistically insignificant" it would be to you, if it happened to your girlfriend.

JacksBlack: First of all, how is Sarah Palin, as VP (the job she's running for) going to make law at all? Kthx.

Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

More anti-Palin headline trolling, now with greenlight.

You Betcha!

I said in a thread a few weeks back that I didn't "HATE" Sarah Palin, I just didn't want her as my VP. I'm taking that back now.

Confabulat: JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Wonder how "statistically insignificant" it would be to you, if it happened to your girlfriend.

That's exactly the type of demagogy that's poisoning rational dialogue.

I heard Barack Obama wants to give parents the right to abort their children up until their 18th birthday.

JacksBlack: First of all, how is Sarah Palin, as VP (the job she's running for) going to make law at all? Kthx.

Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

More anti-Palin headline trolling, now with greenlight.

Howie Spankowitz: I heard Barack Obama wants to give parents the right to abort their children up until their 18th birthday.

I heard he said 'Dead babies don't vote'.

JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

I'm watching Law & Order SVU. Your argument is invalid.

Howie Spankowitz: I heard Barack Obama wants to give parents the right to abort their children up until their 18th birthday.

And if Obama doesn't eat them, McCain will send them off to die.

No terminating pregnancies that result from rape or incest, and they claim Obama wants to fund sex education for elementary school kids, not disclosing that this refers to "bad touch" puppet shows telling kids to find a trusted adult to talk to if someone tries anything.

Why does the GOP love child molesters?

Howie Spankowitz: I heard Barack Obama wants to give parents the right to abort their children up until their 18th birthday.

My third teenager turns 18 in a few weeks, and I approve this message.

TheOther: Howie Spankowitz: I heard Barack Obama wants to give parents the right to abort their children up until their 18th birthday.

I heard he said 'Dead babies don't vote'.

You left out the rest of his statement: "...but that won't stop me from federally funding ACORN to register them, my al Qaeda brothers!"

Next thing you know, Palin will be calling Obama a hypocrite who abuses his powers for personal gain.

JacksBlack: Confabulat: JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Wonder how "statistically insignificant" it would be to you, if it happened to your girlfriend.

That's exactly the type of demagogy that's poisoning rational dialogue.

Demagogy?

So tell me how you'd feel if it WAS your wife or girlfriend?

JacksBlack: Confabulat: JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Wonder how "statistically insignificant" it would be to you, if it happened to your girlfriend.

That's exactly the type of demagogy that's poisoning rational dialogue.

your point is still absurdly stupid.

bearsfolks: If it's old enough to survive out of the mother then it's not abortion it's murder.

So you advocate the table test?

Put said potential candidate for personhood on a high-sided table. If it survives for five minutes, it's a person.

Confabulat: JacksBlack: Confabulat: JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Wonder how "statistically insignificant" it would be to you, if it happened to your girlfriend.

That's exactly the type of demagogy that's poisoning rational dialogue.

Demagogy?

So tell me how you'd feel if it WAS your wife or girlfriend?

Stop being cromulent.

jestme: No terminating pregnancies that result from rape or incest, and they claim Obama wants to fund sex education for elementary school kids, not disclosing that this refers to "bad touch" puppet shows telling kids to find a trusted adult to talk to if someone tries anything.

Why does the GOP love child molesters?



Because it makes more babies that can help "spread democracy"

JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

I don't see how this furthers either sides argument. I mean, serial killing is also rare, but we have laws for it.

DamnYankees: Next thing you know, Palin will be calling Obama a hypocrite who abuses his powers for personal gain.


Oh yeah. I got that.

DamnYankees: I mean, serial killing is also rare, but we have laws for it.

No, we don't.

JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

to explain what is so stupid about this statement...

arguing their rarity undercuts the argument that the abortion should be illegal. if they are so statistically insignificant, then any negative impact on society that would be brought about by abortion would also be statistically insignificant, meaning that there's no reason to stop it from happening.

Confabulat: JacksBlack: Confabulat: JacksBlack: Secondly, pregnancies resulting from rape are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Wonder how "statistically insignificant" it would be to you, if it happened to your girlfriend.

That's exactly the type of demagogy that's poisoning rational dialogue.

Demagogy?

So tell me how you'd feel if it WAS your wife or girlfriend?

Also, you are making a HUGE assumption here that is dooming your argument. You are assuming that JacksBlack in any way can get a wife or girlfriend.

I think it is a controll thing, only the goverment should be allowed to kill people.

JacksBlack: First of all, how is Sarah Palin, as VP (the job she's running for) going to make law at all? Kthx

Hur; the most important duty a president actually carries out is the appointment of supreme court justices.

Opposition to abortion would be a lot easier to take if these morons didn't want to deny people contraception and information on how to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

TheOther: DamnYankees: I mean, serial killing is also rare, but we have laws for it.

No, we don't.

Yes we do. It's illegal. Not the serial part, but the killing sure is.

///always creeps me out

DamnYankees: Not the serial part

Okay then. You've learned your lesson. Move along.

What about all those frozen embryos in fertility clinics?

Free the frozen 13 million!

karendotcom: What about all those frozen embryos in fertility clinics?

Free the frozen 13 million!

I'm adopting and homeschooling all of them.

WTF you guys seriously.

nashBridges: The answer to abortion is to make people less farking stupid. There's no question about what makes a human pregnant. Avoid it.

If you aren't smart enough to do that, then you should be killed.

Because condoms never break, women never lie about birth control, and that 98% effective really means 100% effective, right?
Rape never causes a baby either, just ask JacksBlack. He's raped plenty of women and never gotten any of them pregnant.

It's a woman's body, and her choice. We can argue the semantics of conception, but I think most people agree that RU486 and similar early term abortion methods are not "killing babies"

queezyweezel: 98% effective really means 100% effective, right?

Oh, that's practically statistically insignificant. Who cares? Not JacksBlack, that's for sure.

I went to an Obama rally and there were plenty of protesters holding "Abortion is Murder" signs and even photos of aborted fetuses. She keeps playing to the radical right nuts who only vote on abortion and terrorism, but they need to be more concerned about the undecided voters who are actually turned off by the negativity and these attacks. Keep going with this strategy, guys, it's losing you the election.

Can someone point out an instance where any SCOTUS assembly overturned a clear decision on a major topic made by a different SCOTUS assembly?

I've always been under the impression that issues like abortion, and now gun rights, are somewhat moot when it comes to elections because of the respect for precedent that courts traditionally hold.

Feel free to inform my ignorance, I have a bit on this topic.

queezyweezel: nashBridges: The answer to abortion is to make people less farking stupid. There's no question about what makes a human pregnant. Avoid it.

If you aren't smart enough to do that, then you should be killed.

Because condoms never break, women never lie about birth control, and that 98% effective really means 100% effective, right?
Rape never causes a baby either, just ask JacksBlack. He's raped plenty of women and never gotten any of them pregnant.

It's a woman's body, and her choice. We can argue the semantics of conception, but I think most people agree that RU486 and similar early term abortion methods are not "killing babies"

Protip: Women who lie about birth control normally don't want to have an abortion... they want to have a baby.

Daddakamabb: Protip: Women who lie about birth control normally don't want to have an abortion... they want to have a baby.

I've met two couples that had an "incident" or what some refer to as "the old keep a (brotha) baby". One lady had the kid and raised it herself, and the other aborted after the guy made it very clear that he'd pay child support but in no way wanted to be with her.

FarKnight: Giving birth carries with it a certain risk of complications, including death of the woman/mother due to blood loss. If a woman is required by federal law to give birth to a rapist's child, the government is responsible for any harm that occurs as a result- including death. But maternal death isn't all there is to worry about. Additionally, the woman will have medical bills to pay, and irreversible physical and mental trauma as a direct result of birthing the rapist's child. The government will be responsible for these things as well.

I don't want a government that is responsible for killing or harming rape victims.

Abortion always results in one death, childbirth seldom does.

Some people believe abortion in any circumstance is wrong.

This is not a Federal question, and will never be settled at a Federal level. Even if the President signed an executive order tomorrow morning prohibiting abortion it would be invalidated by noon.

Why any presidential candidate even discusses it is beyond me.

I oppose abortion, if you don't feel you can raise your child contact me and I will help you place it for adoption or if need be adopt your child and raise it in as a member of my family.

Other people don't oppose abortion, there is really nothing than can be done through legislation to change their minds.

nashBridges: If you think most abortions are because of the reasons you just outlined, then you need to off yourself.

Don't be a dumbass. Birth control is a practical science today. You can avoid pregnancy if you're smart.

And I consider you a bigger farking idiot because you brought up fringe scenarios to prove a nonexistent point. The popularity of abortions in the US don't happen because of "accidents".

I'm not denying that some people use abortions as a method of birth control.....But to discount all the other "fringe" options as you put it is pretty stupid.
If you want to go on living your life believing that most abortions are because someone was to lazy to use a condom, then you go ahead and keep thinking that. And off yourself. It would help the gene pool.

too damnit. I think I'll call you a fag as well nash, It should further my argument.

feckingmorons: FarKnight: Giving birth carries with it a certain risk of complications, including death of the woman/mother due to blood loss. If a woman is required by federal law to give birth to a rapist's child, the government is responsible for any harm that occurs as a result- including death. But maternal death isn't all there is to worry about. Additionally, the woman will have medical bills to pay, and irreversible physical and mental trauma as a direct result of birthing the rapist's child. The government will be responsible for these things as well.

I don't want a government that is responsible for killing or harming rape victims.

Abortion always results in one death, childbirth seldom does.

Some people believe abortion in any circumstance is wrong.

This is not a Federal question, and will never be settled at a Federal level. Even if the President signed an executive order tomorrow morning prohibiting abortion it would be invalidated by noon.

Why any presidential candidate even discusses it is beyond me.

I oppose abortion, if you don't feel you can raise your child contact me and I will help you place it for adoption or if need be adopt your child and raise it in as a member of my family.

Other people don't oppose abortion, there is really nothing than can be done through legislation to change their minds.


What about all the frozen embryos in fertility clinics, why aren't you concerned about them?

Or do you only care about embryos that are in women's bodies?

on the rational side, I'm guessing that the cause of unplanned pregnancies varies wildly across different economic and educational demographics.