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(High Times) Unlikely Religiosity curbs teen marijuana use by half   (hightimes.com) divider line 99
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Zeiss_Ikon [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 03:20:03 PM  
I'd rather be surrounded by stoners than Jehovah's witnesses...

 
Sleeping Monkey [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 03:41:03 PM  
Religiosity curbs everything by half

 
AcheronX [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 03:47:11 PM  
Good.

Proselytizing always harshes my mellow anyway.

 
Dead for Tax Reasons [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 03:55:14 PM  
god is the only high i need!

 
dahmers love zombie [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:03:21 PM  
Criminologist mode ON-

Of course it does. There's no real question about it, and there probably shouldn't be. Mainstream religion tends to reinforce relatively (to extremely) conservative belief structures. Most of the religions currently extant in this country are also ascetic in their precepts. Being stoned does not, from most religious perspectives, effectively bring one "closer to God". Thus, those with stronger affiliation to religion would be less likely to use.

Additionally, it is pretty certain that parents who drag their young children to church all the time, and/or restrict their peer associations to those children who are "vetted" through the church, are going to be parents that view drugs as more negative, and have stricter expectations regarding behavior. More regulation of adolescents will be associated with lower incidence of drug use through simple reduction of opportunity.

Also, as we know that peer influence is also very strongly correlated with engaging in/abstaining from delinquent or criminal acts, it stands to reason that someone who primarily affiliates with others of a religious nature is less likely to be in a social environment which is accepting of drug use. Or, for that matter, less likely to be in a situation where drugs are readily available (compared to their non-church-focused associates).

There's no "message" to be taken from this study, at least as it pertains to the correctness of religion's anti-drug stance. If the primary religion in the US were Rastafarianism, I daresay that the correlation between religion and pot use would be pretty strongly positive.

Criminologist mode OFF

/I'd far rather be around stoners all day than the Sarah Palin style of moronic, credulous Godbotherers who would probably suffocate if they didn't remember to breathe.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:06:42 PM  
It doesn't surprise me at all that the Jesus-nut kids are less likely to smoke pot. They're also less likely to drink, have sex, or generally enjoy life.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:08:21 PM  
dahmers love zombie: I'd far rather be around stoners all day than the Sarah Palin style of moronic, credulous Godbotherers who would probably suffocate if they didn't remember to breathe.

Sweet heavenly THC this.

 
GAT_00 [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:11:39 PM  
Eh, I'd mes up their study. I swear half the time I'm the only person on Fark who doesn't have a druggie past. Hell, I can honestly say I've never smoked anything. That, and I've know a lot of kids with very religious families who were druggies of some form or another.

 
dahmers love zombie [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:26:48 PM  
GAT_00: Eh, I'd mes up their study. I swear half the time I'm the only person on Fark who doesn't have a druggie past. Hell, I can honestly say I've never smoked anything. That, and I've know a lot of kids with very religious families who were druggies of some form or another.

You and Mrs. Love Zombie have a similar experience. And, remember that us social scientist wonks deal in generalities. Never will we be able to predict ALL behavior, but humans are pretty easy to study regarding some matters.

 
Danielsan [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:49:51 PM  
Churchill2004: It doesn't surprise me at all that the Jesus-nut kids are less likely to smoke pot. They're also less likely to drink, have sex, or generally enjoy life.

Eh? To enjoy life as a teen you need to smoke pot, drink, and have sex?

 
AcheronX [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:51:51 PM  
Danielsan: Eh? To enjoy life as a teen you need to smoke pot, drink, and have sex?

Not necessarily, but it doesn't hurt.

 
kronicfeld [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 04:54:46 PM  
After all, why would you need the lack of self control, free thought and personal choice, and the intellectual stultification provided by marijuana once you have religion in your life? Seems redundant.

 
Scruffinator 2008-10-11 05:16:55 PM  
I bet this pisses God off.

"I made you guys an awesome plant, loaded it with THC so you could relax every now and then, and you go off, invent beer, and ban THC. Whatev, you're on your own."

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 05:22:42 PM  
Scruffinator: I bet this pisses God off.

"I made you guys an awesome plant, loaded it with THC so you could relax every now and then, and you go off, invent beer, and ban THC. Whatev, you're on your own."


If I recall correctly, smokable cannabis had to be specially bred to get a worthwhile THC content. It also has to be grown in a certain way, not allowing it to be pollinated as it would in the wild.

So it's not so much suppressing the work of an invisible man in the sky so much as it is suppressing something that was actually a greater triumph of human ingenuity than some caveman sucking on a rotten fruit.

 
Scruffinator 2008-10-11 05:33:10 PM  
Churchill2004: Scruffinator: I bet this pisses God off.

"I made you guys an awesome plant, loaded it with THC so you could relax every now and then, and you go off, invent beer, and ban THC. Whatev, you're on your own."

If I recall correctly, smokable cannabis had to be specially bred to get a worthwhile THC content. It also has to be grown in a certain way, not allowing it to be pollinated as it would in the wild.

So it's not so much suppressing the work of an invisible man in the sky so much as it is suppressing something that was actually a greater triumph of human ingenuity than some caveman sucking on a rotten fruit.


(I saw this on the History channels "Hooked: Illegal drugs and how they got that way"). It was talking of the earliest uses of pot, in this case dated to the Incas(or whichever civ nestled in the mountians of South America), in which they would harvest large fields of pot, start a fire, throw a large tent over it, threw the harvest on the fire and sat in the tent. If it's true, then it doesn't sound like it had to be bred first.

 
First Post 2008-10-11 05:55:09 PM  
Every study like this is bullshiat, because people usually aren't gonna be all telling the Man "Hells yeah fools, I be chiefin' like a mofo" for some damn survey.

 
Because People in power are Stupid 2008-10-11 06:37:29 PM  
Let me tell you. Church can be really boring unless you get really, really high before the sermon.

 
ninjakirby [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 06:42:31 PM  
Before I click on TFA, I make this prediction:

People who belong to a religion and attend 1/week+ :: Low drug usage.

People who don't belong to religion :: Medium drug use.

People who used to belong to a religion :: High drug use.

 
ninjakirby [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 06:52:55 PM  
ninjakirby: Before I click on TFA, I make this prediction:

Well, ok so TFA doesn't have any of those details. Fine, be that way. I will add however, that if this study was compartmentalized to responders within Utah, it's going to be seriously skewed. The LDS have the strongest anti-drug institutions in their religion, going so far as to ban caffeine as a stimulant.

"The power of peers is less among youths who are religious," Bahr said. "Meaning if you are religious, the pressure from peers to use drugs will not have as much effect."

This is incredibly short-sighted. In Utah, your peers are all Mormon. There isn't anyone to pressure you into using drugs, because you're peer pressure comes from your religious affiliation. It's not weaker, it's just aiming somewhere else.

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YixilTesiphon 2008-10-11 07:09:15 PM  
Boobies: Every study like this is bullshiat, because people usually aren't gonna be all telling the Man "Hells yeah fools, I be chiefin' like a mofo" for some damn survey.

This made me laugh my ass off. Not totally sure why.

 
Fluffy_the_cactus 2008-10-11 07:09:48 PM  
I was a religious teen, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/Seriously, I was.
//Never smoked pot or did any drugs, either
///But not because of religious reasons

 
DrForrester 2008-10-11 07:10:20 PM  
Now a new national study by two Brigham Young University sociologists finds that religious involvement makes teens half as likely to admit that they use marijuana.

FTFY

 
33mhz 2008-10-11 07:11:41 PM  
Why smoke pot when you're already high on the opiate of the masses?

 
libbynomore2 2008-10-11 07:19:54 PM  
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-10-11 04:06:42 PM
It doesn't surprise me at all that the Jesus-nut kids are less likely to smoke pot. They're also less likely to drink, have sex, or generally enjoy life otherwise act like irresponsible, loser dumbasses.


FTFY

Theirs is a good news/bad news story. The good news is that they are more likely to be responsible and therefore less likely to become beggars of handouts from taxpayers. The bad news is that they're more likely to be begged for money by a bunch of stoner, loser, lazy assholes.

 
czetie 2008-10-11 07:20:55 PM  
Fluffy_the_cactus: I was a religious teen, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/Seriously, I was.
//Never smoked pot or did any drugs, either
///But not because of religious reasons


I tried to do drugs but I never really fit in with the others. I was the only one who had to take his amphetamines crushed up in jelly.

/Seriously.

 
limeyfellow 2008-10-11 07:21:31 PM  
If marijuana was good enough for the early church and used throughout Jesus' day as one of the most treasured of substances along with incense, who am I to say it is bad? It just another lost Christian tradition. I am still mad they dumped the skull and crossbones for a cross or a vagina put on its side and pretending it is a fish.

 
whammer 2008-10-11 07:23:20 PM  
The irony is that religious parents are the ones who put their equally uptight kids in DARE, give them weekly urinalysis, and are still scared to death that they will become sex-crazed heroin junkies.

The odds against which are right up there with their kids being hit by meteors.

 
VonAether 2008-10-11 07:24:28 PM  
"Curbs it by half"?

So, is that like, divides it by half? 'Cause that would mean it's doubled.

 
crayzed_weasel 2008-10-11 07:26:56 PM  
and here I was expecting "Religion is the opiate of the masses" to show up.

/no need to pay for it when your pastor/priest/whatever passes it out for free.

 
bachdog 2008-10-11 07:29:09 PM  
And is there any reason why they would actually want to halve their usage? Will that make them better or more productive people? Will that make them happier? "Halve your pot usage so you can drink more legal toxins and legally sign up to die in an optional war and legally watch your elected officials make a travesty your government."

 
libbynomore2 2008-10-11 07:30:34 PM  
VonAether Quote 2008-10-11 07:24:28 PM
"Curbs it by half"?

So, is that like, divides it by half? 'Cause that would mean it's doubled.



I encourage you to rethink what the numbers really mean because right now, you sound pretty clueless.

/ apparently more schooling is necessary

 
The Voice of Doom 2008-10-11 07:31:51 PM  
No wonder.
They can save on marijuana by using incense instead.

 
Loucifer 2008-10-11 07:32:01 PM  
VonAether: "Curbs it by half"?

So, is that like, divides it by half? 'Cause that would mean it's doubled.


Dude. That is awesome. I can hear my own head now.

 
mista frence 2008-10-11 07:33:29 PM  
libbynomore2: VonAether Quote 2008-10-11 07:24:28 PM
"Curbs it by half"?

So, is that like, divides it by half? 'Cause that would mean it's doubled.


I encourage you to rethink what the numbers really mean because right now, you sound pretty clueless.

/ apparently more schooling is necessary


x / (1/2) = 2x

but yeah, curbs is lessens, not divides. So what libby said

 
Archie Goodwin [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 07:34:13 PM  
I can't see what the problem with this is. I mean, back in Jesus' day, people got stoned all the time!

 
Frittermywig 2008-10-11 07:34:26 PM  
How do they know they haven't got it backwards and smoking weed makes you half as likely to be religious?

 
bachdog 2008-10-11 07:34:47 PM  
Smoking pot is not immoral. It's not a crime either by any standard definition of what constitutes crime (harm to people or property); prohibition creates/invents crimes out of things that are not crimes.

But being disingenuous and pretending to believe in absurd, silly stories about Jesus and his father in order to have a Sunday social life is. Being disingenuous is deceit and is immoral.

 
libbynomore2 2008-10-11 07:35:23 PM  
bachdog Quote 2008-10-11 07:29:09 PM
And is there any reason why they would actually want to halve their usage? Will that make them better or more productive people? Will that make them happier? "Halve your pot usage so you can drink more legal toxins and legally sign up to die in an optional war and legally watch your elected officials make a travesty your government."



Much FAIL in this one.

/Pot makes you stupid
//bachdog clearly a pothead
//great example for kids not to even bother with it

 
Vangor [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 07:36:00 PM  
Religiosity curbs teen marijuana use by half, sexual enjoyment by three fourths, scientific progress by ninety-nine hundredths, and do I really need to keep with this not-so-joke?

 
glwtta [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-11 07:36:20 PM  
/ cracks "Introduction to Elementary Sociology"

Let's see here... "Correlation, NOT equal, causation?" Well that can't be right!

Of course the sort of boring person that loves Jesus a whole huggy bunch is less likely to smoke up, but religiosity doesn't "curb" squat. Try it for yourself - get a bunch of stoners in a room, and preach to them until you are blue in the face, see how much that curbs anything.

 
Shadowknight [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-10-11 07:38:06 PM  
This pisses him off on at least two levels.

www.salon.com

 
IrieTom 2008-10-11 07:40:33 PM  
Rastafarians beg to differ.

 
Vangor [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 07:42:07 PM  
IrieTom: Rastafarians beg to differ.

You know what they mean, those non-heathen religions.

 
VonAether 2008-10-11 07:44:10 PM  
libbynomore2: I encourage you to rethink what the numbers really mean because right now, you sound pretty clueless.

/ apparently more schooling is necessary


Yeah, thanks, 97% in math my final year.

I was being facetious. It's Fark. I can do that.

 
AgentOrangeDrink 2008-10-11 07:45:58 PM  
libbynomore2: bachdog Quote 2008-10-11 07:29:09 PM
And is there any reason why they would actually want to halve their usage? Will that make them better or more productive people? Will that make them happier? "Halve your pot usage so you can drink more legal toxins and legally sign up to die in an optional war and legally watch your elected officials make a travesty your government."


Much FAIL in this one.

/Pot makes you stupid
//bachdog clearly a pothead
//great example for kids not to even bother with it


Not smoking pot has clearly made you no fun and an asshole. Carl Sagan smoked weed and I guarantee he was smarter than you, so are pot users all geniuses? Or could it be that individual circumstances vary based on the individuals involved? Nah, that'd require too much thinking for you.

 
Single White Male 2008-10-11 07:48:30 PM  
libbynomore2: Much FAIL in this one.

/Pot makes you stupid
//bachdog clearly a pothead
//great example for kids not to even bother with it


Watching you troll is like trying to watch a Wayans brothers "comedy". At first, it's funny because it's so lame, but then it just gets painful.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2008-10-11 07:49:32 PM  
VonAether: Yeah, thanks, 97% in math my final year

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lynxi 2008-10-11 07:51:31 PM  
has anyone ccmmented that the study was done by students at a religious school no bias there

 
bachdog 2008-10-11 07:51:40 PM  
libbynomore2:
Much FAIL in this one.

/Pot makes you stupid
//bachdog clearly a pothead
//great example for kids not to even bother with it


What does "makes you stupid" mean? You've been repeating that to yourself since you could talk. Alcohol kills brain and liver cells, most people know that without even looking it up. Does alcohol qualify for "making you stupid?" If so, why is it legal while pot is not legal?

Just shut up with your self-righteous nonsense. I'm not making anyone do what they wouldn't do normally themselves, you paranoid idiot. Oooh think of the poor childrens!!! Pot isn't keeping half of them from finishing high school. Poor parenting and poor attitudes are.

Give extra money at church tomorrow and pretend it makes you a good person.

 
Superjew 2008-10-11 07:53:45 PM  
Yeah, but teen marijuana use curbs religiosity by more than half. So marijuana is obviously more effective than religion.

QED

 
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