Their first self-titled album is really awesome, and in many ways ahead of its time


As for Nirvana possibly ripping off "Eighties" , personally i don't think so, the intro riff does resemble "come as you are" but im not sure I would go to a lawyer with this

Judge by yourself (new window)

Wow - I always knew those sounded pretty similar but that's just creepy.

HappyHarryHardOn: Judge by yourself (new window)

yeah, i hear the similarities.

At least he admitted it in an obscure fashion

/admitted Nirvana/Cobain Hater

As I recall, Nirvana wound up paying Killing Joke for ripping off "Eighties". That's awesome that he played it. That was my first thought when I heard "Come as You Are" for the first time.

HappyHarryHardOn: As for Nirvana possibly ripping off "Eighties" , personally i don't think so, the intro riff does resemble "come as you are" but im not sure I would go to a lawyer with this

for you:

Yeah, well, Celtic Frost kick both of their asses.

Let's give Killing Joke their due: Money is Not Our God (new window) rules totally and completely.

FeedTheCollapse: HappyHarryHardOn: As for Nirvana possibly ripping off "Eighties" , personally i don't think so, the intro riff does resemble "come as you are" but im not sure I would go to a lawyer with this

for you:

So, youre posting this because it sounds very similar or not at all? I don't get it

Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman makes an eerie discovery: A 1987 Christmas card from Kurt Cobain. In it Kurt apologizes in advance for ripping off Killing Joke's "Eighties" and turning it into "Come as You Are"

which sucked, a goddam lazy assed tune if there ever was one.

Are you freakin' kidding me? I was humming "Come as you are" the other day when it occurred to me for the first time it was a rip off of the Killing Joke song. That's pretty coincidental - or zeitgeistal - or something.

Jean-Puc_Licard That's pretty coincidental - or zeitgeistal

or Binaural

Weird...I used to sing the chorus of "Eighties" over the intro riffs of "Come as You Are".

Killing Joke's first album was at least ten years ahead of it's time.

/obviously
//nice shot, man
///yeah, that was "borrowed" from the first KJ album, too.....

i was at the show last night and let me just say,

Killing Joke live was farking great!!! better than the 2003 show.


/jaz coleman FTW!
//could have used more songs from the 2003 release.

how about them BLATANTLY ripping off the melvins on 'milk it'?

let me clarify, not killing joke. nirvana blatantly ripped off the whole main riff of 'its shoved' by the melvins for 'milk it'. was there any royalties stuff there or did buzzo just not care?

Dave Grohl ended up playing drums on Killing Joke's self titled comeback album a couple of years ago as part penance for the ripoff.

I love playing Eighties to some younger musos and have them yell "it's a ripoff of Come As You Are!!!!".

Ah, to be young and not know bands older than you are again.

Never really gave them a listen...think I'll get a couple albums now.

Thank you Fark for turning me onto a band that influenced alot of the bands I love. Yes...I love me some Nirvana.

These songs are definitely similar, to the point of infringement.

But that avoids the larger issue, which is -- Nirvana was really a rip-off of John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band. And Kurt would even tell you that himself, if he could.

"The Police Picnic" 23-08-1981 Oakville, Ont. - The Grove

The David Benedeth Band, John Otway, The Payolas, Nash The Slash, Oingo Boingo, Killing Joke, Iggy Pop, The Go-Go's, The Specials, The Police.

Good show.

Change you can believe in.
(Not from the Police Picnic).

Oh man, Killing Joke is so great. They are woefully underrated but their influence is undeniable. I hadn't heard that Melvins song before the comment was made above, but yeah, I can see how Nirvana ripped them off, too.

barefoot in the head: "The Police Picnic" 23-08-1981 Oakville, Ont. - The Grove
The David Benedeth Band, John Otway, The Payolas, Nash The Slash, Oingo Boingo, Killing Joke, Iggy Pop, The Go-Go's, The Specials, The Police.

i refuse to believe that something lke this happened in oakville, at any time.

/did any white people show up?

suicide: /did any white people show up?

Dude, Hazel was helping us crowd surf Iggy. New Wave was white.

/Hello Parkdale.
//former denizen.

barefoot in the head: Dude, Hazel was helping us crowd surf Iggy. New Wave was white.

sarcasm, my friend. i'm still a little snow-blind from my last visit there.

but Hazel and Iggy? i salute you. that's gold right there. and needs to be photoshopped.

A band, ripping a riff from another band? Say it isn't so!

Man. Even Brian Wilson did this. Rock and roll is essentially built on this sort of thing.

LOVE KJ's first album. 'Requiem' is fantastic.
Jaz is a weird dude, I think he moved to Iceland or Greenland and holed up for a few years in the early 80s, he was sure the nukes were going to start flying in 82 or 83.

Good thing KJ never made it as big as Nirvana, they'd really be feeling the hate. Because, you know, any band that makes it big becomes really cool to hate. Especially on Fark.

Forgot to mention, Millenium from around 91 was sweet too. Excellent heavy riff.

Has anyone ever heard "Fanfare For The Millennium" composed and orchestrated by Jaz Coleman with the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra?

It is quite surprising and astonishing.

It is one of the best examples of a non-classical dude attempting classical music I have heard. I am already a big fan of both Frank Zappa and Duke Ellington who did some great classical compositions.(also,"Half Mast Inhibition" by Charles Mingus is superb)

Another cool discovery is "Scherzo a la Russe" by Igor Stravinsky originally composed for Jazz orchestra.

Now if we can just get a classical composer to do some Punk.....

craigdamage: Has anyone ever heard "Fanfare For The Millennium" composed and orchestrated by Jaz Coleman with the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra?

It is quite surprising and astonishing.

It is one of the best examples of a non-classical dude attempting classical music I have heard. I am already a big fan of both Frank Zappa and Duke Ellington who did some great classical compositions.(also,"Half Mast Inhibition" by Charles Mingus is superb)

Danny and Clint would like a word with you...

Killing Joke is my favorite band. Has been for years.

HappyHarryHardOn: So, youre posting this because it sounds very similar or not at all? I don't get it

the two songs may not be similar to the point of infringement, but the main riff to both are basically the same.

I'll check out KJ now

seen their name around now and then
but no clue to the music.

FeedTheCollapse: HappyHarryHardOn: So, youre posting this because it sounds very similar or not at all? I don't get it

the two songs may not be similar to the point of infringement, but the main riff to both are basically the same.

THIS

Thanks rekoil


I am no stranger to Elfman's superb compositions but I must admit I had no idea the guy from Pop Will Eat Itself was still active.

im listening to the first killing joke record for the first time now because of this thread. its pretty f*cking rad, check it out if you havent already.

It's just a slowed down version of "eighties". Good job Kurt, suck it, haters.

Pf. There's no way Killing Joke's case would've gotten as far as court, there's a mild superficial similarity at best. I actually thought the "zomg it's the same riff" thing was true, until I actually heard the Killing Joke song. There's nowhere near the same level of resemblance as, say, between "Wild Thing" and "MMMBop" or "Save Tonight" and "Closing Time".

Nice of the Nirvana boys to give an old band they liked a free gift like that.

SilentStrider: HappyHarryHardOn: Judge by yourself (new window)

yeah, i hear the similarities.

gee you'd kinda have to be deaf or dead not to.

MikoSquiz: Pf. There's no way Killing Joke's case would've gotten as far as court, there's a mild superficial similarity at best. I actually thought the "zomg it's the same riff" thing was true, until I actually heard the Killing Joke song. There's nowhere near the same level of resemblance as, say, between "Wild Thing" and "MMMBop" or "Save Tonight" and "Closing Time".

Nice of the Nirvana boys to give an old band they liked a free gift like that.

Are you a musician? casue if you are, you're a tone deaf one.