Whoa, how did West Virginia just go blue? Not even a blue outline, solid blue. Even the racist hillbillies are abandoning McCain now.



Obama 343
McCain 184
Ties 11

awww, poor GOP, maybe if they represented ideals, policies and principles that the American public supported, they'd have the support of the American Public.

Walker: Whoa, how did West Virginia just go blue? Not even a blue outline, solid blue. Even the racist hillbillies are abandoning McCain now.

Given the heavy coal mining industry in WV, Biden's support of that industry, and the economy tanking, to say nothing of the fact that WV is a very poor state to begin with, and I'd wager it was just a matter of time.

That said, we'll see if it lasts. This is a pretty substantial and fast shift, so the polls turning it blue may very well be outliers.

Ah, my state, right in the middle of the country and right in the middle between Obama and McCain. When I moved here I was surprised to find out that it had voted for every winning presidential candidate since 1904, with the sole exception of 1956. Bush won the state by 3 points in 2000 and 6 points in 2004, so this isn't great news for McCain.

Walker: Even the racist hillbillies are abandoning McCain now.

Careful now. Those people are smart enough to support Republican Neo-Liberalism. They were never New-Deal socialists. *wink & a nod*


Obama has an opportunity here. To bring the nation back to economic sanity and civic unity.

At present, McCain seems happy to help by confining the Republican tent to it's broken roots. Effete inteligencia and John Birchers.

DarnoKonrad: economic sanity

oh dear god please let it happen

I tells ya, nothing turns me on to vote for a certain candidate like being one with their crazy nutbag supporters! Death to liburulls! Turrists, all of em! They hate 'Murica!"

/get a jorb!

tnpir:

That said, we'll see if it lasts. This is a pretty substantial and fast shift, so the polls turning it blue may very well be outliers.

This is what worries me. I got my hopes up about Franken-candidate in 2004 (though I still think Dean would have been the better choice) and his poll numbers. But Obama is a different candidate, and it is a different world right now. Let us see.

The longer this goes on, the less I get it. These people screaming for Obama's blood and calling him a terrorist and a socialist just can't be thinking straight. They can't truly believe what they're saying, can they?
The only explanation I can think of is that they just don't like liberals. If so, I understand that. They don't like liberals and they are willing to do anything and say anything to make sure their team wins the election. If that's the case, fine.
But they can't really be thinking that what they are shouting is true, can they?

burndtdan: DarnoKonrad: economic sanity

oh dear god please let it happen

Obama should go campaign there just for the earned media. It's actually not a waste, because the attention there would spill over to the more Appalachian parts of Ohio, VA, and PA.

I love that schmuck in the picture holding up the sign "NoBama! No Socialism!"

Wait...WHICH party is it that just nationalized the banking system? Oh. and the auto industry? Everything but *GASP!* health care...Which means we're STILL the only industrialized nation in the world without a national health plan?

So...Who are the Socialists again?

Regnad Kcin: But they can't really be thinking that what they are shouting is true, can they?

They do. The fire that burns in their eyes is one of contempt, hatred, fear, and ignorance.

"I'm mad, I'm really mad!" the voter bellowed. "And what's going to surprise ya, is it's not the economy - it's the socialists taking over our country."

Oh boy...


"Obama Osama!" one woman called out.

Uh huh...

"It's time that you two are representing us, and we are mad," reiterated the boisterous Republican at McCain's town hall in Wisconsin Thursday. "So go get 'em!"


They are representing you, moron...

RoxtarRyan: The fire that burns in their eyes is one of contempt, hatred, fear, and ignorance.

How can Republicans be doing so badly with all of that energy behind them ?

Regnad Kcin: The longer this goes on, the less I get it. These people screaming for Obama's blood and calling him a terrorist and a socialist just can't be thinking straight. They can't truly believe what they're saying, can they?
The only explanation I can think of is that they just don't like liberals. If so, I understand that. They don't like liberals and they are willing to do anything and say anything to make sure their team wins the election. If that's the case, fine.
But they can't really be thinking that what they are shouting is true, can they?


Yes, they can. I was at our local parts store a couple of days ago and an older gentleman in overalls was on a rant about Obama.

"One of his friends bombed the UN"
"Did you see him in Germany with all those people come to see him? Looked like Hitler to me"

There was much more, but I kind of tuned him out.

Mordant: How can Republicans be doing so badly with all of that energy behind them ?




/uncanny

DarnoKonrad: Obama has an opportunity here. To bring the nation back to economic sanity...

I think the past week has shown what the market thinks of Obama's chances of doing that with the help of Reid and Pelosi.

Yes, whipping up the bottom of the base is going to work so well...

Nothing like driving folks away from your wing nuts who don't want to be associated with an unthinking mob.

It IS the economy stupid. It is ALWAYS the economy, stupid. Trying to appeal to anything else at this point--and while the charge of socialist technically should be a key economic issue, most folks who use the term don't realize that WTF the postal system is, or that it's "socialist" isn't French for "Un-American"--is essentially saying, "Gosh darn it, I'm out of ideas."

And a lot of folks understand that implicitly.

You don't like Obama for his policies or his record, drive on. Vote for the best candidate for you. But if you're voting out of blind adherence to party, instead of the best man for the job, then you're part of the problem that has allowed asshats to ascend to office that clearly don't have your interests at heart.

We have the government that we deserve. Anytime you look that the news--the banking crisis, the Iraq conflict, job losses--that's because of the shiat that WE do. Not some nebulous "them." That's our doing, because if you elect someone to do something in your name, and you don't keep your hand on the tiller, you don't watch them close, and you don't hold them accountable, you deserve what you get.

You want to be be angry? Be angry at yourselves for letting things get to this state, and then ask yourself, "Is angry enough?"

Most of the time, angry isn't enough. You have to actually put some effort out there. In choosing a candidate. In watching the till. In being good citizens. We are responsible for the state of the country.

Not AIG. Not Congress. Not Republicans. Not Democrats. Us. We have allowed a lot of dumb shiat to be done in our name, and on OUR watch. It's up to us now to see if we are going to make any attempt to get ourselves out of this mess, or do we do a lot of bluster to avoid admitting that we've pooped in our own dog dish?

/hey, somebody had to

What McCain is doing is unforgivable. I'm not a big fan of Obama, simply because of differences on policy issues, but in no way, shape or form do I think he's a terrorist or a socialist. McCain and Palin flat out calling him both and doing their best to get people to actually believe it is disgusting.


Senator McCain,

You had a very real chance to put your country first and you chose instead to put your campaign, your politics and your party first. In every passing day I lose more and more respect for you as a human being. I have no idea how you could possibly redeem yourself at this point, but here's hoping you do.

Signed,
A Disappointed Republican

hubiestubert

I read that with the national anthem playing in the backround. It was deep.

Nabb1: DarnoKonrad: Obama has an opportunity here. To bring the nation back to economic sanity...

I think the past week has shown what the market thinks of Obama's chances of doing that with the help of Reid and Pelosi.

Neo-liberalism doesn't work. You guys failed. Now we all will.

Nabb1: I think the past week has shown what the market thinks of Obama's chances of doing that with the help of Reid and Pelosi.

It's the election that's causing the markets to tank! It's the ELECTION!!

Looks like someone went to that rally in TFA.

hillbillypharmacist: It's the election that's causing the markets to tank! It's the ELECTION!!

That damned turrist Obama is destroying the economy already and hasn't even won (by cheating, of course) the election yet !!

We are all sooooo screwed.

hillbillypharmacist: Looks like someone went to that rally in TFA.

No, just keeping up with the financial news.

RoxtarRyan: hubiestubert

I read that with the national anthem playing in the backround. It was deep.

Maybe you should have tried Disposable Heroes of the Hiphoprisy or Spearhead...

hillbillypharmacist: Looks like someone went to that rally in TFA.

And let me be clear: I don't think Obama is a terrorist, nor do I think anyone should shout "kill him," nor do I even think McCain has a handle on this problem, but I think Reid, Pelosi, and Obama haven't got the slightest farking clue how to handle this problem. McCain voted with Obama on the bailout, so it's not like there is a world of difference between the two. But, if you think investors are showing any confidence in the prospect of an Obama presidency right now, you are fooling yourself.

Nabb1: No, just keeping up with the financial news.

How did the market show what it thinks of Obama? Did it send it an email, or a Hallmark card expressing how it feels with a funny cartoon on the inside of it?

Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: Looks like someone went to that rally in TFA.

No, just keeping up with the financial news.

If you had been keeping up with the financial news, you'd know the current volatility is due to nobody being able to get credit, and not the farking election.

Nabb1: ...And let me be clear: I don't think Obama is a terrorist, nor do I think anyone should shout "kill him," nor do I even think McCain has a handle on this problem, but I think Reid, Pelosi, and Obama haven't got the slightest farking clue how to handle this problem.

McCain has said in interviews many times he knows jack shiat about the economy. Obama, during the debate, gave numbers on how we should go about starting to turn things around while McCain wandered aimlessly around the stage (apparently lost his marbles).

Your political lean obviously blinds you, but that's alright. The chances of any candidate fixing this crap in a 4 year term is not probable, but at least one makes an effort to appear like he has a plan and gives some details, instead of just saying "I have a plan that fix everything, everything I tells ya!".

cameroncrazy1984: If you had been keeping up with the financial news, you'd know the current volatility is due to nobody being able to get credit, and not the farking election.

Yes, that is what created the mess. The continued slide in the market is due in continued lack of confidence of a variety of factors, which includes the political factors. To ignore the political realities of the current investment climate would be ridiculous.

This is why, when you get your chance for 8 years, you don't fark around.

/you'll get over it.

Nabb1: No, just keeping up with the financial news.

Apparently, your brain is selectively censoring parts of the news, and filling it in with all kinds of other crap.

All this pretend money evaporating was going to happen. The only jobs created in the last 8 years were construction jobs in new orleans, or fast food/waitress/bartender positions...

hillbillypharmacist: Nabb1: No, just keeping up with the financial news.

Apparently, your brain is selectively censoring parts of the news, and filling it in with all kinds of other crap.

Well, since you so wonderfully articulated man salient points, how can I argue with that? I'm sorry if the analysts on CNBC were going over that very issue this morning. I guess they should have invited you onto the Squawk Box this morning to set the record straight.

RoxtarRyan: Nabb1: ...And let me be clear: I don't think Obama is a terrorist, nor do I think anyone should shout "kill him," nor do I even think McCain has a handle on this problem, but I think Reid, Pelosi, and Obama haven't got the slightest farking clue how to handle this problem.

McCain has said in interviews many times he knows jack shiat about the economy. Obama, during the debate, gave numbers on how we should go about starting to turn things around while McCain wandered aimlessly around the stage (apparently lost his marbles).

Your political lean obviously blinds you, but that's alright. The chances of any candidate fixing this crap in a 4 year term is not probable, but at least one makes an effort to appear like he has a plan and gives some details, instead of just saying "I have a plan that fix everything, everything I tells ya!".

Between McCain's ramblings, and the White House Press Secretary coming out and saying, "If y'all got jobs, that would really help us out of this mess..." I have zero confidence that the current leadership of the GOP has any farking clue what the heck this mess is about. And to be honest, considering the guys that they have in place to take care of this mess--because they are supposed to be DEEP guys for the market and have a lot of experience, that is telling.

Both have advisors who know the markets--and apparently suck and communicating with the candidates or even the seated President.

The market is sucking right now, because people are panicked, and it's not Obama or McCain that is to fault for it, but the sad fact that we are about to transition leadership, and no one has any idea where the heck the country is going to go, what they're going to do. Investors like to say that they like some risk, but when it boils down to it, they really hate risk, and are casting around blindly at this point.

Such is the nature of the market, and it doesn't matter who's if office, people are going to flail for a bit. That is the nature of the market. It's still based on people making decisions, often with their guts, as opposed to the numbers.

RoxtarRyan: McCain has said in interviews many times he knows jack shiat about the economy. Obama, during the debate, gave numbers on how we should go about starting to turn things around while McCain wandered aimlessly around the stage (apparently lost his marbles).

Your political lean obviously blinds you, but that's alright. The chances of any candidate fixing this crap in a 4 year term is not probable, but at least one makes an effort to appear like he has a plan and gives some details, instead of just saying "I have a plan that fix everything, everything I tells ya!".

I don't think McCain or Obama have a handle on the problem whatsoever. I don't think any politician has a quick fix. I do think there are things that could be done to help the market work itself out of this - and it will have to somehow work its way out on its own - but the candidates aren't really looking at anything beyond throwing money and pointing fingers.

FTFA:
The raw emotions worry some in the party who believe the broader swath of swing voters are far more focused on their dwindling retirement accounts than on Obama's background and associations and will be turned off by footage of the McCain events.


Indeed. I cannot believe this has not been tamed by the McCain campaign. There are honorable reasons for getting it under control, but putting those aside, there are purely political reasons. McCain's campaign can only be hurt by this. The behavior is not really useful in "rallying" people to come vote for McCain. Now is the time to fight for the undecideds, and this is clearly not appealing to them.

And the only other thing I have to say about that is....yay! I mean, it makes me a little sad to see this, but it's like poison for the McCain campaign, and I'm OK with that.

Nabb1: Well, since you so wonderfully articulated man salient points, how can I argue with that?

The idea that the market is tanking, even in some small way, due to a possible Obama Presidency is so facially ridiculous that I don't really feel the need to make "salient" points.

At best, it's a crazy idea with a little bit of political expediency, and it can't possibly be proven or disproven. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the Obama tanking the market idea is the Creation Science of the financial world.

Talking heads talk for ratings, and the idea that Obama is causing the market to crash makes good ratings. There's a reason why Art Bell has been on the air so long, but that don't make him correct.

Nabb1: To ignore the political realities of the current investment climate would be ridiculous.

From this article: (new window)
"NASDAQ, the American stock exchange, too, was lower now than it was when Bush took office: 2770.38 on January 19, 2001 compared to 1983.73 on September 29, 2008. The dollar exchange with the Euro was lower than when Bush was elected: 1.068 on January 19, 2001 compared to .695 on September 29, 2008."

You're right... if the economy has been going to shiat the last 8 years, it MUST be due to how it feels about Obama! Politics is fun!

hillbillypharmacist: Talking heads talk for ratings, and the idea that Obama is causing the market to crash makes good ratings.

No, I did not say the prospect of an Obama presidency is the cause of the market crash. The political climate, which includes the likelihood of an Obama presidency, along with a Pelosi House and Reid Senate, is one of the factors in play in the current market turbulence. Do you think that investors do not pay attention to which way the political winds are blowing?

Nabb1: I think the past week has shown what the market thinks of Obama's chances of doing that with the help of Reid and Pelosi.

I read that news too, but that's a big stretch. Some analysts were saying the same thing back in the primaries. There's really no evidence of a connection. On some days when Obama's polling is up the market does well, or holds steady. Personally I think the market turmoil has more to do with the credit crisis and GM and Ford looking like they are about to tank big time.

RoxtarRyan: You're right... if the economy has been going to shiat the last 8 years, it MUST be due to how it feels about Obama! Politics is fun!

There were periods of growth and periods of slowdowns in between. It has not been constantly "going to shiat the last 8 years." It is going to shiat right now, absolutely.

Nabb1: Do you think that investors do not pay attention to which way the political winds are blowing?

I think they pay attention, and it affects their behavior about zero. Pretending otherwise is a nice political club, and that's about it.

Nabb1: Do you think that investors do not pay attention to which way the political winds are blowing?

I'm sure they do. Question is, why would all those investors pay attention and make choices the same way? A strong case could be made for a McCain presidency tanking the economy even worse than it already has.

Nabb1: No, I did not say the prospect of an Obama presidency is the cause of the market crash. The political climate, which includes the likelihood of an Obama presidency, along with a Pelosi House and Reid Senate, is one of the factors in play in the current market turbulence. Do you think that investors do not pay attention to which way the political winds are blowing?

First, it was because of a "transition" of presidents, now it's because of a possible Obama presidency... Fair and balanced!

How do you explain the last 8 years than? I don't remember Obama coming out and saying 8 years ago he was going to run for president. I mean, I could be wrong, and he did but I missed it. But from what I understand (a lesson taken from you about politics and economy), it is because we've had a Republican in the white house for the last 8 years that is the cause of all this financial shiat we're all in.

/or was it because of a volatile market...
//or the transition of presidents...
///fark, I just can't keep up!

iawai: awww, poor GOP, maybe if they represented ideals, policies and principles that the American public supported, they'd have the support of the American Public.

Agreed, I keep telling people about the Libertarian party and people seem to like the ideals and positions better than what the GOP has been doing, but they seem to think they have to vote GOP because of "the Dems". Seems like we need another Jimmy Carter to fall on their face to get things shaken up again. Good thing both parties have managed to nominate the next Jimmy Carter. The next 4 years will be interesting to see who screws it up.

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: Looks like someone went to that rally in TFA.

No, just keeping up with the financial news.

If you had been keeping up with the financial news, you'd know the current volatility is due to nobody being able to get credit, and not the farking election.

and if he had been keeping up with current financial news for the last few years, he'd realize that underlying weakness that is making the current volatility so bad is not a new development.

RoxtarRyan: ///fark, I just can't keep up!

Clearly not. burndtdan: and if he had been keeping up with current financial news for the last few years, he'd realize that underlying weakness that is making the current volatility so bad is not a new development.

I didn't say that it was a new development. If you would bother to read my posts before telling others what my opinion is you might have seen that.

Nabb1: I didn't say that it was a new development. If you would bother to read my posts before telling others what my opinion is you might have seen that.

(previous post of yours)

Nabb1: I think the past week has shown what the market thinks of Obama's chances of doing that with the help of Reid and Pelosi.


You're back-peddling so fast, the rubber on your shoes is about to ignite.