He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

You think after being called out for using John Mellencamp, Jackson Browne, and Heart (and that's just off the top of my head) without permission, they'd stop doing this shiat.

Are they stupid, or just think the rules don't apply to them?

Sgt Otter: Are they stupid, or just think the rules don't apply to them?

here's the thing. they aren't losing any money doing it. their supporters love to piss off liberal artists by stealing their stuff.

Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

Sabbath might not, but Sharon Osbourne might. Do YOU want to screw with Sharon Osbourne?

Sgt Otter: You think after being called out for using John Mellencamp, Jackson Browne, and Heart (and that's just off the top of my head) without permission, they'd stop doing this shiat.

Are they stupid, or just think the rules don't apply to them?

False dichotomy. They can be both.

Were you born to resist or be abused?
Is someone getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you?

SilentStrider: Sabbath might not, but Sharon Osbourne might. Do YOU want to screw with Sharon Osbourne?

He'd probably be ahead in the polls if he picked her as VP instead. Not that she'd qualify due to her place of birth, but McCain doesn't seem to be too concerned about qualifications anyway.

Outtaphase: He'd probably be ahead in the polls if he picked her as VP instead. Not that she'd qualify due to her place of birth, but McCain doesn't seem to be too concerned about qualifications anyway.

nationality aside, she's probably more qualified than Palin.

As mentioned in the red lit thread, McCain-Palin should use Ted Nugent songs. He won't object. "Stormtroopin'" or "Stranglehold" for McCain and "Little Miss Dangerous" or "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" for Palin.

Solid State Vittles: As mentioned in the red lit thread, McCain-Palin should use Ted Nugent songs. He won't object. "Stormtroopin'" or "Stranglehold" for McCain and "Little Miss Dangerous" or "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" for Palin.

Don't forget "Jailbait" when the kids hit the stage.

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Heh, it's especially funny considering The Foo Fighters played this song at a Kerry rally in '04. And I believe Dave's father is somehow employed by the GOP.. or at least is a very strong republican

Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

"Running on Empty" comes to mind, although Jackson Browne might object

I haven't heard much from the fark 'independents' lately. Where did they go?

neglogon: Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

"Running on Empty" comes to mind, although Jackson Browne might object

Or perhaps Neil Young's "Old Man."
Or perhaps The Beatles' "Nowhere Man."
Or perhaps Pink Floyd's "Time."
Or perhaps Kansas' "Dust in the Wind."

/is hoping they won't eventually choose Tom Petty's "Even the Losers"
/shudders

blame canada: Heh, it's especially funny considering The Foo Fighters played this song at a Kerry rally in '04. And I believe Dave's father is somehow employed by the GOP.. or at least is a very strong republican

The album title In Your Honor comes from his experiences out on the campaign trail with Kerry playing for an audience unfamiliar with the Foos.

neglogon: Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

"Running on Empty" comes to mind, although Jackson Browne might object

McCain already tried that one, and you'd be correct. Jackson Browne sued the McCain campaign.

How about "Kill the Poor" by DK?

How about the song "You Can Have My Artistic Expression If The Deal Is Sweet Enough" by My Agent Screwed Me?

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"I'm Winning" by Sanatana is probably not even on the McCain campaign's list, is it.

this would work for mccain

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/why not, we have a fail tag alrdy

i prefer this for McCain

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Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

How about "Disposable Heroes" by Metallica?

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SilentStrider: Outtaphase: He'd probably be ahead in the polls if he picked her as VP instead. Not that she'd qualify due to her place of birth, but McCain doesn't seem to be too concerned about qualifications anyway.

nationality aside, she's probably more qualified than Palin.

Hell, yes. She had a great hand in organizing the Ozzfest tours.

Don't fret. McCain's anthem will soon be changed to DOA and I don't think Dave will mind then.

of you

ComicBookGuy: How about "Disposable Heroes" by Metallica?

Nope, lawsuitilarity would ensue. I mean, all you have to do is mention them anymore. BTW, get a lawyer.

I was listening to Tool & Rage's collaboration on the unreleased track "Revolution" just a few hours ago. "You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution." Awesome stuff.

I wonder if there's a full list of artists who have objected (not just this year) to presidential candidates using their music. And if any of the campaigns have ever tried to get permission.

boo farkin hoo

Sgt Otter: neglogon: Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

"Running on Empty" comes to mind, although Jackson Browne might object

McCain already tried that one, and you'd be correct. Jackson Browne sued the McCain campaign.

Damn, I missed that one.
Pure comedy gold

McCain paid all appropriate license fees, so the Foo Fighters should just STFU, and enjoy their additional 15 minutes, like the Heart Sisters.

Cat Food Sandwiches: McCain paid all appropriate license fees, so the Foo Fighters should just STFU, and enjoy their additional 15 minutes, like the Heart Sisters.

I agree. I'm no fan of McCain or his practice of appropriating artist's songs for his own message, but if an artist sells their music rights to a record label, they have no right to complain. What they should be standing out against is the music industry and the difficulty for artists to retain their own music rights.

FTFA:

"A month after Jackson Browne filed suit against the MCCain campaign for using his song Running on Empty without consent, Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters are now upset the Republican's marketing strategists have adopted their My Hero at pre-election stops without permission."

Geez people, RTFA for pete's sake.

They've continually broke copyright law this entire election, and then play the victim and say it's just "liberal Hollywood" or the "liberal music industry" lashing out at them.

No, it's YOU BREAKING THE LAW.

/no respect left for McCain
//absolutely zero

Outtaphase: He should be honest and start using "War Pigs" and "Two Minutes to Midnight". I doubt Maiden or Sabbath would even object.

I think he should use Break something tonight by Limp Bizkit

Bondidude: FTFA:

"A month after Jackson Browne filed suit against the MCCain campaign for using his song Running on Empty without consent, Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters are now upset the Republican's marketing strategists have adopted their My Hero at pre-election stops without permission."

Geez people, RTFA for pete's sake.

There is a difference between getting permission from the artist and paying appropriate license fees. Their songs are available to the public, not just the people they like.

Cat Food Sandwiches: Bondidude: FTFA:

"A month after Jackson Browne filed suit against the MCCain campaign for using his song Running on Empty without consent, Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters are now upset the Republican's marketing strategists have adopted their My Hero at pre-election stops without permission."

Geez people, RTFA for pete's sake.

There is a difference between getting permission from the artist and paying appropriate license fees.

However, there are many artists who hold rights over who they will license music to. You hear this a lot in movies and television where they say "Well we wanted to use (blank) but Led Zeppelin/Prince/The Beastie Boys (I use these as examples because I've heard them a lot) wouldn't give us the permission. So we ended up using (blank)."

If it is this situation, where they own the rights and decide who does get to use it, which from what little information they're giving us here it seems that they are, then they are infringing on the rights of the Foo Fighters.

Dave Grohl is smart enough to hold the rights to his own songs, I highly doubt that some big wig at the record label gets to decide who gets to use what for him.

Their songs are available to the public, not just the people they like.

Umm... no. Intellectual property laws would say otherwise. As long as Dave Grohl and his band mates hold the rights to that song they DO get to decide who gets to use it and in what context. So yes, ultimately only the people they like get to use it legally.

Bondidude: Cat Food Sandwiches:

Umm... no. Intellectual property laws would say otherwise. As long as Dave Grohl and his band mates hold the rights to that song they DO get to decide who gets to use it and in what context. So yes, ultimately only the people they like get to use it legally.

Thanks for the info. I thought you just paid a fee to ASCAP or somebody, and could use music controlled by them. McCain should just play songs from the public domain, like Ole Dan Tucker.

Cat Food Sandwiches: Bondidude: Cat Food Sandwiches:

Umm... no. Intellectual property laws would say otherwise. As long as Dave Grohl and his band mates hold the rights to that song they DO get to decide who gets to use it and in what context. So yes, ultimately only the people they like get to use it legally.

Thanks for the info. I thought you just paid a fee to ASCAP or somebody, and could use music controlled by them. McCain should just play songs from the public domain, like Ole Dan Tucker.

No problem.

Like I said, it depends heavily on who owns the music. Like the story about what broke up Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson's friendship, where MJ bought the rights to a lot of songs by the Beatles and then started selling them off for use in Nike commercials. McCartney was pissed, but had no say in the matter.

There are plenty of groups out there who would probably be more than happy to allow McCain to use their music, but apparently the people in his campaign seem to have a "it's better to ask forgiveness than it is permission" type of stance when it comes to who they use music and video from (the "We're not worthy" bit from Waynes World also comes to mind). They've had themselves a long history of it this entire campaign. It's really rather stupid of them because in the end they're going to end up paying more for using it without permission when the owners come knocking on their doors.

Bondidude: There are plenty of groups out there who would probably be more than happy to allow McCain to use their music, but apparently the people in his campaign seem to have a "it's better to ask forgiveness than it is permission" type of stance when it comes to who they use music and video from (the "We're not worthy" bit from Waynes World also comes to mind). They've had themselves a long history of it this entire campaign. It's really rather stupid of them because in the end they're going to end up paying more for using it without permission when the owners come knocking on their doors.

My impression is that the use of the songs in the arenas and whatnot is legitimate; just like any bar or event that has music over the PA system. So they may not like it, but it is just one of those things that you have to grin and bear, because the licensing fees are paid normally.

The Jackson Browne song, however, was used in an advertisement, and thus is subject to different licensing regulations. In that case, Browne was in the right to file a C&D. That was also a dick move, because the music in a commercial much more strongly implies endorsement or at least agreement by the artist, regardless of the law.

In this case of background music performance, the artists are free to raise a stink to make their political point, but I haven't seen any report of results for them.

I would have never guessed Dave Grohl is a whiney-asshat.

Im actually pretty surprised that McCain doesn't use some form of a country song, considering that some of the demographic that listens to country, votes republican.

McCain has to stop playing ANY music. Apparently, all musicians hate him.

/join the club

Sing along everybody:

There goes my hero/
Watch him crash his plane

I just don't see why McCain would play that newfangled rock-n-roll music made by amoral young whippersnappers, anyway.