Rove may be a general lying scumbag in public...but the man is too smart to lie to himself. Moreso since he has no dog in this race; he would be quite pleased to see McCain go down in flames, that would mean a lucrative four years of being a politics comentator pounding Obama on Fox News. If McCain wins...Rove will be stuck giving guest appearances at MSNBC roundtables after State of the Union Addresses.

Shrew2u: commentator

/ftfm

Although I don't really like the guy he's one smart mofo, there's some interesting stuff on that linked site.

Shrew2u: ...that would mean a lucrative four years of being a politics comentator pounding Obama on Fox News.

I'd like to see Turdblossom in prison for treason, getting pounded by a bunch of guys named Bubba.

i don't think rove is smart or even honest to himself. i just think it's so blaringly obvious at this point that not even he can deny it.

but then again, it's been pretty obvious all along, that for all the bluster along the way, obama still had the much stronger position on the political map and the wind at his back.

Nv as a toss up? I'm not so sure about that

well, last time he said he had his "own math," things didn't go too well...

Predicting? ...Or procuring?

Shrew2u: Moreso since he has no dog in this race

Oh, are we still pretending he's not advising McCain? Ok, then.

best part, is that the king of spin could find no way to sping the numbers
could it finally be? a semit honest republican?

/runs out side looking for snow and flying pigs

joeycolby: Shrew2u: Moreso since he has no dog in this race

Oh, are we still pretending he's not advising McCain? Ok, then.

I think if he were advising McCain, the race would be a lot closer. Rove is a lying, sniveling, manipulative, ethically bankrupt prick, but he's damn good at winning elections.

Even Rove is probably exhausted by the thought of trying to keep cooking up schemes for McCain. Four years of attacking Obama instead would be like taking a vacation.

joeycolby: Shrew2u: Moreso since he has no dog in this race

Oh, are we still pretending he's not advising McCain? Ok, then.

LMFAO. Rove has no fundamental participation in McCain's campaign - otherwise this would be horse race instead of a prosecutable case of elder abuse. Sure, he may be cooking up some push polling, or he may have been brought in specifically to handle the resurrection of Palin in the debate (having handled complete dumbasses in debate prep before). But this is not a Rovian operation - too much FAIL to be one of his masterworks.

Meh. He also predicted the GOP would keep remain the majority party in the 06 election.

Rove probably kinda wants Obama to win.

I mean, it gives him 4 years to pin the continuing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan on him, the economy is going to tank at some point, Iran will probably have to be dealt with at some point, Russia/Georgia, etc etc etc.

Obama could very easily be a one-term president if Rove is given 4 years to paint every problem from the last 8 years on him since they weren't solved in his first term.

If that happens, it could solidify a GOP president for 8 years at least and maybe more.

burndtdan: but then again, it's been pretty obvious all along, that for all the bluster along the way, obama still had the much stronger position on the political map and the wind at his back.


PROUD

My prediction is basically that map + Ohio and Virginia for Obama. 306-232, Obama-McCain.

I'm playing it safe and assuming Florida will go very narrowly red, although I don't think Jewish retirees will vote en masse for McCain either. I'm starting to feel like I should have made Indiana a blue state, though. It's hard to know how much Hoosiers are influenced by Dave Letterman (and maybe the ghost of Kurt Vonnegut, who had the talent to write a story as absurd as this election.) Still... that's my prediction and I have $20 riding on it. Oh, and you know, the fate of Western civilization is probably riding on it as well, but whatever.

joeycolby [TotalFark] Quote 2008-10-05 12:07:19 PM
Shrew2u: Moreso since he has no dog in this race

Oh, are we still pretending he's not advising McCain? Ok, then.


That's what I was thinking. I'm soooo suuuuuure he had nothing everything to do with McCain picking Palin

Inspired by Mr. Rove, here's my bizarro world electoral map:

Etchy333: Inspired by Mr. Rove, here's my bizarro world electoral map:

Did that many states switch to Diebold voting machines?

someone should make an om a nom a nom nom map

vegasj: Nv as a toss up? I'm not so sure about that

The polls swing back and forth there between McCain and Obama. How is that not a toss-up?

This is bad news... for Obama.

Eh, I don't think it's that Rove isn't helping McCain, it's that Americans are tired of the same old Rovian bullshiat and he knows it. You can only go to the poisoned hate well too many times.

Lansydyr: Etchy333: Inspired by Mr. Rove, here's my bizarro world electoral map:

Did that many states switch to Diebold voting machines?

"We're gonna need them here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here."

FlashHarry: well, last time he said he had his "own math," things didn't go too well...

That's "THE math."

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Eh, I don't think it's that Rove isn't helping McCain, it's that Americans are tired of the same old Rovian bullshiat and he knows it. You can only go to the poisoned hate well too many times.

No, had Rove been running this thing elementary mistakes like him suspending his campaign and many many others would not have been made.

why haven't i seen that picture before?? The look on his face is PRICELESS

MindStalker: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Eh, I don't think it's that Rove isn't helping McCain, it's that Americans are tired of the same old Rovian bullshiat and he knows it. You can only go to the poisoned hate well too many times.

No, had Rove been running this thing elementary mistakes like him suspending his campaign and many many others would not have been made.

Rove is most certainly advising McCain and has been since at least August. The Palin pick and the campaign suspension reek of Rove's manipulative philosophy. These are merely the contortions that such a "political genius" is thrown into if he doesn't have "the math". Recall that he was very much on board in 2006 when the GOP got their asses handed to them over and over in the midterms.

The electorate is tired of the GOP's transparent manipulation and wants to vote Democrat this time around.

Shrew2u: that would mean a lucrative four years of being a politics comentator pounding Obama on Fox News.

it also means there will be nobody in the white house protecting him from refusing to testify

Two Dogs Farking: Shrew2u: ...that would mean a lucrative four years of being a politics comentator pounding Obama on Fox News.

I'd like to see Turdblossom in prison for treason, getting pounded by a bunch of guys named Bubba.

Even better if he is acting as the fluffer to keep Bubba hot while waiting for Cheney.

I predict that before, during, and after the election, Karl Rove will be a rolling fatass. I apologize to all overweight people (myself included), but this dough roll will be marshmallow monster throughout time.

You guys don't get it do you? This is a get out the vote message to the Republican base.

Look! We're only 3 EV down so get your buts to the polls on election day or Obama's going to win.

This is one of several polls in my profile. All have Obama ahead.

/not submitter

Larry Mahnken: vegasj: Nv as a toss up? I'm not so sure about that

The polls swing back and forth there between McCain and Obama. How is that not a toss-up?

Actually, with some expected deformity due to the conventions, there really hasn't been very much back and forth. What happens is that different polling companies use different techniques. Remember, the popular vote can be very even but the only votes that count at the end of the election are the electoral votes.

If you look at the graph (below) you see that the popular vote is rather close (and has been a lot closer in the past)


At the same time, if the electoral vote count follows their prediction this election will be a blowout somewhere along the lines of Ronald Reagan.

There is something else you need to understand, polling companies can be bought. If a Republican committee decides to prop up their candidate they can pay for a poll that asks a question like, "Would you rather have an experienced professional running this country or someone that has no experience?" (and yes, this is a miserable example) The poll would then be expected to return the results the "customer" wants.


Copperbelly watersnake: You guys don't get it do you? This is a get out the vote message to the Republican base.

Look! We're only 3 EV down so get your buts to the polls on election day or Obama's going to win.

Exactly!

Don't be fooled, Karl Rove does nothing without intent.

bulldg4life: Rove probably kinda wants Obama to win.

I mean, it gives him 4 years to pin the continuing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan on him, the economy is going to tank at some point, Iran will probably have to be dealt with at some point, Russia/Georgia, etc etc etc.

Obama could very easily be a one-term president if Rove is given 4 years to paint every problem from the last 8 years on him since they weren't solved in his first term.

If that happens, it could solidify a GOP president for 8 years at least and maybe more.

Excellent analysis.

bulldg4life: I mean, it gives him 4 years to pin the continuing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan on him, the economy is going to tank at some point, Iran will probably have to be dealt with at some point, Russia/Georgia, etc etc etc.

Obama could very easily be a one-term president if Rove is given 4 years to paint every problem from the last 8 years on him since they weren't solved in his first term

Exactly. Although I wouldn't attribute that to just Rove. I think most of the Republican party wants to lose this election for that very reason. No President is going to fix the mess Bush got us into in four years. So they give this one to the Democrats and enjoy another 12 years of Republican bliss, minimum.

Unless they meant to conduct the worst run republican Presidential campaign that I've ever been privy to.

Lansydyr: Diebold

You mean Premier Election Systems.

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

leitmotive: You mean Premier Election Systems Solutions.

FTFM.

FarKnight

That's the map we'd be left with if it came out that McCain was a grand wizard in the KKK. (And I'm being generous to the rest of the South here)

Shrew2u: Shrew2u: commentator

/ftfm

I thought he already had a new gig set up:




/as in the "Feed the Pig" PSA's.

Just because I'm terrified that the wanker still has something up his sleeve...



fish, dumb test, etc....

MFAO. Rove has no fundamental participation in McCain's campaign - otherwise this would be horse race instead of a prosecutable case of elder abuse. Sure, he may be cooking up some push polling, or he may have been brought in specifically to handle the resurrection of Palin in the debate (having handled complete dumbasses in debate prep before). But this is not a Rovian operation - too much FAIL to be one of his masterworks.

Just wondering, but he shows up on Fox News all the time. They used to call him a "Fox News Contributer" but now he's a "Former White House adviser." Maybe, Fox (as in the tank for McCain as they are) would like to give the illusion of fairness by not having a campaign adviser on the staff.

Mugato: bulldg4life: I mean, it gives him 4 years to pin the continuing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan on him, the economy is going to tank at some point, Iran will probably have to be dealt with at some point, Russia/Georgia, etc etc etc.

Obama could very easily be a one-term president if Rove is given 4 years to paint every problem from the last 8 years on him since they weren't solved in his first term

Exactly. Although I wouldn't attribute that to just Rove. I think most of the Republican party wants to lose this election for that very reason. No President is going to fix the mess Bush got us into in four years. So they give this one to the Democrats and enjoy another 12 years of Republican bliss, minimum.

Unless they meant to conduct the worst run republican Presidential campaign that I've ever been privy to.

Man, I wonder. Are people that much dumber than they used to be? this didn't work when they tried it on Roosevelt at the end of his first term. He had hardly made any headway, and the country was still in a state of total FUBAR, but the American people were never deceived as to who was responsible.
But, then, they didn't have American Idol and Survivor, in those days.

Yeah, Karl's numbers were real hot in 2006 when he insisted that the GOP would certainly retain control of Congress.

burndtdan: i don't think rove is smart or even honest to himself. i just think it's so blaringly obvious at this point that not even he can deny it.

Disagree. Guy is the smartest farker in politics today, evidenced by the fact that he controlled half of it without ever actually running for office himself.

but then again, it's been pretty obvious all along, that for all the bluster along the way, obama still had the much stronger position on the political map and the wind at his back.

This. It's been Obama's to lose since January.