Facts have a liberal bias.

F-bear: Facts have a liberal bias.

and that fact is well-known.

facts are like kryptonite to republicans.

The truth has never stopped the McCain campaign from continuing to say the same shiat. Expect nothing to change.

After lying to themselves so blatantly for the last 8 years about Bush, Republicans have simply stopped caring about facts. Palin can say anything she wants as long as it placates the AM radio crowd.

Baby, you gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?

I certainly consider being on a committee with 3 members that met at least 14 times a lot more than: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

But that's just me and tenuous grasp of language.

Obama has left the Keating Five thing alone so far. If McCain gets cute in the debate I can see Obama springing it on him. And I would love to see him blindsided by it.

Who cares about facts? Facts are for those east coast elitists.

All it took was a wink to win the hearts and votes of Joe six-pack and Sally soccer-mom.

/starting this early.

Psychotropic: All it took was a wink to win the hearts and votes of Joe six-pack and Sally soccer-mom.

Tina Fey killed last night. Find the youtube if you haven't seen it.

cousin-merle: After lying to themselves so blatantly for the last 8 years about Bush, Republicans have simply stopped caring about facts. Palin can say anything she wants as long as it placates the AM radio crowd.

The funny thing is, you're right. As long as they can make the right-wing voting base feel warm and fuzzy, that's all that matters. What they seem to have forgotten, and what Obama has capitalized on, is that you need to simultaneously make your base energized enough to actually get out and vote while convincing the opposing supporters that your candidate is better than theirs. The Republicans, with their "ZOMG SECRIT MUSLIN TERRIST!!1!11" strategy, seem to have forgotten that.

baked beans: I certainly consider being on a committee with 3 members that met at least 14 times a lot more than: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

But that's just me and tenuous grasp of language.

What about the whole part about Ayers never being convicted of anything, Obama being 8 years old and thousands of miles away when it happened, and Obama not discussing his hatred of America with Ayers?

I mean, what the f*ck. Do you think Ayers came in to those board meetings and professed his hatred of America before each meeting and Obama just looked at him and said "right on, brother" then they got down to business?

They met several times because they were both on the board of a philanthropic foundation and then Obama was named the political successor of whatever that ladies name at his house cause they lived in the same neighborhood.

OH MY GOD ALERT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY!

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As for this dumbass story:

People already know the facts. They know the facts and they willfully ignore them, because it doesn't fit with what they want to accomplish.

Telling them the facts won't suddenly change their mind. It'll just make them believe you are lying to try and cover something up.

You can put this in the pile with Rev. Wright, the Whitey tape, and being a Muslim as reasons to use for my dislike of Obama because, in reality, I just don't want to vote for a ____________(pick: black guy, liberal).

It didn't take them less than 24 hours, it was debunked before she even said it.

Speaking of which, I was highly amused when CNN played the video and you could clearly hear her being booed for saying it.

baked beans: I certainly consider being on a committee with 3 members that met at least 14 times a lot more than: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

But that's just me and tenuous grasp of language.

No, that's just you with a tenuous grasp on reality but with an iron grip on straws...as in clutching at them.

I've been running non-profit, community based organizations for 20 years. I've served on Boards whose missions I supported. One time, I served on a Board with a guy who was found to have embezzled funds from a different charity. I was in the room with him at least 20 times. I'm probably in some photos with him. This has absolutely nothing to do with me now, nor did it have anything to do with me then.

floor9: cousin-merle: After lying to themselves so blatantly for the last 8 years about Bush, Republicans have simply stopped caring about facts. Palin can say anything she wants as long as it placates the AM radio crowd.

The funny thing is, you're right. As long as they can make the right-wing voting base feel warm and fuzzy, that's all that matters. What they seem to have forgotten, and what Obama has capitalized on, is that you need to simultaneously make your base energized enough to actually get out and vote while convincing the opposing supporters that your candidate is better than theirs. The Republicans, with their "ZOMG SECRIT MUSLIN TERRIST!!1!11" strategy, seem to have forgotten that.

It's all very strange though. I mean, the lie is blatantly obvious but there are people in the mid-state who really, honestly believe that Obama is a muslim terrorist wannabe. Granted, that's mostly Perry county and those folks also believe that the UN is secretly plotting to take over the US....so there's that.

baked beans: I certainly consider being on a committee with 3 members that met at least 14 times a lot more than: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

But that's just me and tenuous grasp of language.

I know, and all they did at those meetings was sit around and plan terrorist attacks.

Honestly, what do you think happened in those meetings? Is this a likely scenario to you?

Obama: "Hey Bill, I hear you're a terrorist."

OBAMA GIVES SECRET MUSLIN HANDSHAKE

Ayers: "Your training has served you well. Let us discuss the future, our future."

OBAMA GETS DOWN ON KNEES AND BOWS

Obama: "Yes, master, our future will be bold and bright. We will crush beneath us the naysayers and unbelievers."

Ayers: "Exactly, al-Barri, my plan to have you take the White House is rapidly unfurling. It's only a matter of time until the blogosphere detects our actions."

Obama: "Yes, they rebels certainly are dastardly, but I have them fooled with my empty promises."

Ayers: "You have done well. Rise and join me on this committee, from which you shall soak in the power of Chicago politics and complete our ultimate objective: you will give me the key to the White House so I can bomb it! This plan is so simple, it is destined to succeed!"

OBAMA & AYERS LAUGH MANIACALLY UNTIL THE SCENE FADES OUT

Weaver95: and those folks also believe that the UN is secretly plotting to take over the US....so there's that.

B...b...but the mark of the Beast!

patrick767: The truth has never stopped the McCain campaign from continuing to say the same shiat.

As seen in the VP debate when Palin said Obama voted against the troops. Biden pointed out that McCain voted the same way and Palin went with the same line two more times. Not that the talking heads made anything of that, however, what with their liberal bias and all.

bulldg4life: baked beans: I certainly consider being on a committee with 3 members that met at least 14 times a lot more than: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

But that's just me and tenuous grasp of language.

What about the whole part about Ayers never being convicted of anything, Obama being 8 years old and thousands of miles away when it happened, and Obama not discussing his hatred of America with Ayers?

I mean, what the f*ck. Do you think Ayers came in to those board meetings and professed his hatred of America before each meeting and Obama just looked at him and said "right on, brother" then they got down to business?

They met several times because they were both on the board of a philanthropic foundation and then Obama was named the political successor of whatever that ladies name at his house cause they lived in the same neighborhood.

OH MY GOD ALERT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY!

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As for this dumbass story:

People already know the facts. They know the facts and they willfully ignore them, because it doesn't fit with what they want to accomplish.

Telling them the facts won't suddenly change their mind. It'll just make them believe you are lying to try and cover something up.

You can put this in the pile with Rev. Wright, the Whitey tape, and being a Muslim as reasons to use for my dislike of Obama because, in reality, I just don't want to vote for a ____________(pick: black guy, liberal).

None of this should be a problem. When asked about his relationship to ayers if Obama had responded with any of your rebuttals, there would be no discussion. All of your questions would have been appropriate. "I was 8 years old." "We never talked about it." "He was a terrorist?"

All great responses.

Instead, he fukkin lied!!!!!! "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

This is a lie!!!!! Why did he feel the need to lie? Why did he try to mislead the public? Why didn't he tell the truth? It would have been so much easier.

Is this just another example of the pathological lying practiced by most politicians? Maybe so. And he got caught. Please don't act like it didn't happen.

SilentStrider: /starting this early.

is there a website which will let me make my own version of this?
will I have to figure out somekind of tool thingy to do this on my own?

HELP! wants to play too

/what did you use to do this?

Weaver95: Granted, that's mostly Perry county and those folks also believe that the UN is secretly plotting to take over the US....so there's that.

And the people who are 100% positive that TMI was one of the intended targets of 9/11 because one of the planes crashed in PA. It's kind of funny, though, that Dauphin County delivered Kerry in 2004 and will probably do the same for Obama in November. Yet I still barely see any Obama bumper stickers around here.

Howie Spankowitz: Weaver95: and those folks also believe that the UN is secretly plotting to take over the US....so there's that.

B...b...but the mark of the Beast!

I think a good portion of the mid-state is going to vote for McCain. Not because they think McCain is a great guy - they actually rather despise him - but because they can't bring themselves to vote for a black guy.

baked beans: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

Prove that this is a lie.

I'll give you a sec to go hit all the wingnut blogs for your talking points.

baked beans: None of this should be a problem. When asked about his relationship to ayers if Obama had responded with any of your rebuttals, there would be no discussion. All of your questions would have been appropriate. "I was 8 years old." "We never talked about it." "He was a terrorist?"

All great responses.

Instead, he fukkin lied!!!!!! "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

This is a lie!!!!! Why did he feel the need to lie? Why did he try to mislead the public? Why didn't he tell the truth? It would have been so much easier.

Is this just another example of the pathological lying practiced by most politicians? Maybe so. And he got caught. Please don't act like it didn't happen.

WHARRGARBL dog is bored with you.

Weaver95: It's all very strange though. I mean, the lie is blatantly obvious but there are people in the mid-state who really, honestly believe that Obama is a muslim terrorist wannabe.

He's a bbbbbbllllllllaaaaaaaaacccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk guy.

And he's a llllllllllliiiiiiiiiibbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.

For 8 years, we've seen what it is like when you are different. Scare everybody in to thinking that someone different from them is bad or evil and you can get them to agree to things that they wouldn't normally accept.

It's like a PNAC wet dream.

Liberal is thrown around as a curse word. So, you throw that on top of the continuing effects of racism and you get a situation where the black guy has to run damn near a perfect campaign for fear of it all collapsing and every questionable person from his past is thrown in his face.

Meanwhile, a guy that skated through life on his dad's last name before switching to his new wife's political connections, that cheated on his first wife and then married a rich heiress, has admitted his bad decisions as they relate to the last time a market collapsed due to fraud after deregulation, and has flip-flopped his major policy stances more than Jimmy Buffet is looked at as a maverick and great American that is just what this country needs.

Howie Spankowitz: This has absolutely nothing to do with me now, nor did it have anything to do with me then.

It certainly would if you choose to run for president and then try to deny that relationship.


This is the point, but somehow the fact that he lied about it escapes everyone's memory.

floor9: Weaver95: Granted, that's mostly Perry county and those folks also believe that the UN is secretly plotting to take over the US....so there's that.

And the people who are 100% positive that TMI was one of the intended targets of 9/11 because one of the planes crashed in PA. It's kind of funny, though, that Dauphin County delivered Kerry in 2004 and will probably do the same for Obama in November. Yet I still barely see any Obama bumper stickers around here.

Because most of the mid-state democrats won't vote for a black president. They might go vote for Bob Barr or McCain though. My guess is that they'll vote for McCain, since he's essentially a Democrat/socialist these days.

Howie Spankowitz: baked beans: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

Prove that this is a lie.

I'll give you a sec to go hit all the wingnut blogs for your talking points.

You're trying to claim that he did not have any dealings with Ayers?

I didn't know you were that ignorant.

Weaver95: Howie Spankowitz: Weaver95: and those folks also believe that the UN is secretly plotting to take over the US....so there's that.

B...b...but the mark of the Beast!

I think a good portion of the mid-state is going to vote for McCain. Not because they think McCain is a great guy - they actually rather despise him - but because they can't bring themselves to vote for a black guy.

Sadly, I think you are right.

I said this in another thread: I have been politically active my entire adult life in both local and national politics. If this country elects that lying fossilized piece of shiat and that empty-headed pull-string toy, I am divorcing myself permanently from national politics.

At that point, I will be convinced that my voice doesn't matter and the inmates are running the asylum. I'll still be active locally, in that I really believe I can impact city council, school board, water board and other races. But as far as the Presidency goes...I'm out.

baked beans: None of this should be a problem. When asked about his relationship to ayers if Obama had responded with any of your rebuttals, there would be no discussion. All of your questions would have been appropriate. "I was 8 years old." "We never talked about it." "He was a terrorist?"

From the April 16 Democratic primary debate, in response to the question posed by George Stephanopolis:

"And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George."

Facts are fun. Republicans shouldn't fear them so much.

Howie Spankowitz: I said this in another thread: I have been politically active my entire adult life in both local and national politics. If this country elects that lying fossilized piece of shiat and that empty-headed pull-string toy, I am divorcing myself permanently from national politics.

At that point, I will be convinced that my voice doesn't matter and the inmates are running the asylum. I'll still be active locally, in that I really believe I can impact city council, school board, water board and other races. But as far as the Presidency goes...I'm out.

If we elect McCain (for whatever reason) i'm forming a non-profit organization who's sole, entire purporse is to make life a living hell for as many corporations as is humanly possible.

Starting with Comcast. F*cking morons.

baked beans: Howie Spankowitz: This has absolutely nothing to do with me now, nor did it have anything to do with me then.

It certainly would if you choose to run for president and then try to deny that relationship.


This is the point, but somehow the fact that he lied about it escapes everyone's memory.

See my previous post. Ayers was "just a guy in his neighborhood" in the same way that the guy I referenced was just another Board member I interacted with in that narrow context.

Now...go get the information for your next post from your right wing masters.

Weaver95: They might go vote for Bob Barr or McCain though.

Or they'll stay home...

baked beans: Howie Spankowitz: baked beans: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

Prove that this is a lie.

I'll give you a sec to go hit all the wingnut blogs for your talking points.

You're trying to claim that he did not have any dealings with Ayers?

I didn't know you were that ignorant.

Pull the cotton out of your ears. I repeat: Prove that this is a lie.

baked beans: You're trying to claim that he did not have any dealings with Ayers?

I didn't know you were that ignorant.

HE WOKE UP!

baked beans: This is a lie!!!!! Why did he feel the need to lie? Why did he try to mislead the public? Why didn't he tell the truth? It would have been so much easier.

Is this just another example of the pathological lying practiced by most politicians? Maybe so. And he got caught. Please don't act like it didn't happen.

He was asked the question in a democratic political debate.

He's not going to start going through every individual meeting that he had with the man.

From the debate:
George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about.

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.

OMG HE LIED AND TRIED TO SHOUT DOWN THOSE THAT TRIED TO SMEAR HIM!

Caulfield: Facts are fun. Republicans shouldn't fear them so much.

They're used to be afraid. If it isn't the terrorists out to get them it's liberals, Hollywood, newspapers, judges, environmentalists, commies, feminazis, illegal immigrants, stepladders, the color orange, hi-top basketball shoes, Rachel Ray, arugula, leprechauns & thunder. They're cowards.

Weaver95: Howie Spankowitz: I said this in another thread: I have been politically active my entire adult life in both local and national politics. If this country elects that lying fossilized piece of shiat and that empty-headed pull-string toy, I am divorcing myself permanently from national politics.

At that point, I will be convinced that my voice doesn't matter and the inmates are running the asylum. I'll still be active locally, in that I really believe I can impact city council, school board, water board and other races. But as far as the Presidency goes...I'm out.

If we elect McCain (for whatever reason) i'm forming a non-profit organization who's sole, entire purporse is to make life a living hell for as many corporations as is humanly possible.

Starting with Comcast. F*cking morons.

Interesting idea. What manner of hell do you envision unleashing?

Actually, the more I think about, I may get more involved in national politics, but in a completely different way. I am registered "Decline to State" and I may devote some of my organizational skills to encouraging as many people as possible to switch from R and D to DTS.

Howie Spankowitz: baked beans: Howie Spankowitz: This has absolutely nothing to do with me now, nor did it have anything to do with me then.

It certainly would if you choose to run for president and then try to deny that relationship.


This is the point, but somehow the fact that he lied about it escapes everyone's memory.

See my previous post. Ayers was "just a guy in his neighborhood" in the same way that the guy I referenced was just another Board member I interacted with in that narrow context.

Now...go get the information for your next post from your right wing masters.

Baked Beans lives in a neighborhood where every community member has sex with each other's daughters and sons to prove their loyalty to one another.

/Look Republicans, it's obvious they know each other in a very limited sense, and it's even more obvious that Obama had absolutely no involvement in any terrorist activities. I have a friend who did 2 years in prison, that doesn't mean he didn't change or that by knowing him I'm some how responsible for his crime.
//Based on the Republican logic, McCain is an evil dictator and communist because he used to know them while he was a POW.

baked beans: None of this should be a problem. When asked about his relationship to ayers if Obama had responded with any of your rebuttals, there would be no discussion. All of your questions would have been appropriate. "I was 8 years old." "We never talked about it." "He was a terrorist?"

All great responses.

Instead, he fukkin lied!!!!!! "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

This is a lie!!!!! Why did he feel the need to lie? Why did he try to mislead the public? Why didn't he tell the truth? It would have been so much easier.

Is this just another example of the pathological lying practiced by most politicians? Maybe so. And he got caught. Please don't act like it didn't happen.

Actually, Obama has said, "I was 8 years old," and "We never discussed it," regarding Ayers. Pay attention.

baked beans:
Instead, he fukkin lied!!!!!! "He's just a guy in my neighborhood."

This is a lie!!!!! Why did he feel the need to lie? Why did he try to mislead the public? Why didn't he tell the truth? It would have been so much easier.



But he didn't lie under oath!

Wasn't that the key thing about b-b-b-b-but Clinton? That he only lied about a BJ, but it was under oath? Then George & Dick proceeded to lie like rugs on just about everything, but never under oath?

Sorry, but the neocons set up the rules.

/perjury!

Howie Spankowitz: Now...go get the information for your next post from your right wing masters.

how about from your preferred source? (new window)

"Their paths have crossed sporadically since then, at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama's first run for office, on the schools project and a charitable board"

Yeah, just a guy in my neighborhood.

You're so fukking blind.....

Howie Spankowitz: Interesting idea. What manner of hell do you envision unleashing?

I can nail comcast on lack of federal reporting requirements. As for the rest, I'm thinking that there are quite a large number obscure consumer protection laws that could do with a bit of enforcing. Not to mention any number of transparency laws that could do with a bit more exposure.

Actually, the more I think about, I may get more involved in national politics, but in a completely different way. I am registered "Decline to State" and I may devote some of my organizational skills to encouraging as many people as possible to switch from R and D to DTS.

At this point, I think no matter who gets elected we're facing choppy waters and a storm. I just think we shouldn't punch holes in the hull before we hit the leading edge of the hurricane is all.

baked beans: Yeah, just a guy in my neighborhood.

For christ sakes, stop saying that.

I freaking posted the exact comment from the debate. Don't you know how to freaking read?

baked beans: Howie Spankowitz: Now...go get the information for your next post from your right wing masters.

how about from your preferred source? (new window)

"Their paths have crossed sporadically since then, at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama's first run for office, on the schools project and a charitable board"

Yeah, just a guy in my neighborhood.

You're so fukking blind.....

so, for the record - what's your position regarding McCain and the Keating Five?

George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about.

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.

*sticks fingers in ears*
LALALALALALALALALLALALALALALALLALALALALALLALALA

HE TRIED TO LIE ABOUT HIS CONNECTIONS

LALALALALALALALLALALALLALLALALLALALALA

HE'S LYING CAUSE HE DIDN'T SAY THEY WORKED TOGETHER ALL THE TIME

LALALALALALLALALALALALALLALALALALLALA

namatad: is there a website which will let me make my own version of this?
will I have to figure out somekind of tool thingy to do this on my own?

if there is, I don't know it. i just used MS Paint.

Weaver95: o, for the record - what's your position regarding McCain and the Keating Five?

he should have gone to prison, too.

why do people assume that anyone who believes in the truth is a neocon fundie?