There is likely to be trouble, however, when the oil hits the onus.

And, while the FA went into detail and provided quotes, those of you who wish to save time should read my one sentence summary below:

John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

McOnus.

Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Yep. That about sums it up. I don't think it will work, and I hope it completely backfires on him.

Going negative? I've never seen a positive McCain ad. They all consist of spewing out misleading half truths about Obama and close with a sleeping baby, no doubt with a scary black man in a turban just off camera.

Mugato: I've never seen a positive McCain ad.

This.

Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Tucker Bounds was just on MSNBC.

The host said, "Yeah Tucker, but what about the economy?"

Tucker said "Obama wants to talk about the economy to avoid talking about Bill Ayers".

Wha? You don't want to talk about how at least two states are coming to the federal government for loans to pay their employees and the world market is tanking so hard they're trying to prop up Germany as we speak - you don't want to talk about that because a (now) functioning member of society was on a committee with Obama to teach young children 30 years after he set bombs - an action which Obama has always denounced.

You want to talk about that? What does that say about your leadership style?

McCain had to retreat from Michigan with his miserable tail between his legs, and is now losing badly in PA, FL, and OH, because true independents--the demographic that either candidate needs to win--look at stuff like this, and look at the incompetent buffoon he chose as a running mate, and rightly dismiss him as an empty shell. I'm glad he's turning 100 percent negative (which, really, isn't much of a change at all), because all that will happen is the last few independent holdouts dismiss him even more utterly. The only people who will respond to these ads are the diehards who would vote for him no matter what, anyway. Obama is, and has been, running a near-perfect campaign, and McCain looks like the dying terminator thrashing around in the pool of molten metal. He's done, and has been for quite some time.

It also looks like his campaign has had to rethink their plan to charge people for the "McCain/Palin" lawn signs. No, they're not free again. Now they're PAYING people to put them in their yards in some embarrassingly low-support areas.

Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

/I know... slim to none.

Pocket Ninja: McCain had to retreat from Michigan with his miserable tail between his legs

I would like to take at least partial credit for this. As a volunteer for the Obama campaign here in Michigan, I think I did my part to chase his angry old man ass right the fark out of my state. :D

Yeah I realize I can only claim the slightest bit of credit and responsibility for that, but that's alright.

I also don't mind McCain going negative. If the results are remotely the same as they have been around here, the negative ads will push voters towards Obama. They aren't working the way they hoped they would. My parents were "swing voters". Previously they were Republicans. But between the ads and the choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate, McCain shot himself in the foot with them. They not only decided not to vote for McCain, but they decided they would vote for Obama. The same is true with my buddy's parents as well. I heard the other day in another fark thread similar stories from other people on the subject when I mentioned it. I don't think these are isolated instances. In fact, I'm pretty sure these are examples of exactly how this negative crap is going to backfire on McCain.

co-conspirator: It also looks like his campaign has had to rethink their plan to charge people for the "McCain/Palin" lawn signs. No, they're not free again. Now they're PAYING people to put them in their yards in some embarrassingly low-support areas.

I noticed that some of the McCain signs in my area (which admittedly there have been more of recently... not more of them than Obama signs, just more than before) weren't made with good materials. The rain has apparently warped them quite a bit. Which my wife says is appropriate since since the McCain campaign seems warped and disheveled as well.

I'm no politician, but, doesn't it seem kind of dumb to, essentially, announce, we're losing, accordingly all bets are off and we intend to cheat? Somebody isn't being very smart.

some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

/I know... slim to none.

Remember, by mid October, they have to trot out Rev Wright again to scare the vote for mcCain.

honeymaid8: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Tucker Bounds was just on MSNBC.

The host said, "Yeah Tucker, but what about the economy?"

Tucker said "Obama wants to talk about the economy to avoid talking about Bill Ayers".

Wha? You don't want to talk about how at least two states are coming to the federal government for loans to pay their employees and the world market is tanking so hard they're trying to prop up Germany as we speak - you don't want to talk about that because a (now) functioning member of society was on a committee with Obama to teach young children 30 years after he set bombs - an action which Obama has always denounced.

You want to talk about that? What does that say about your leadership style?

Poor Tucker. I kind of feel for the little weasel. He took this job thinking, "Hey, I'mma MAKE my damn career with this one!" and didn't realize exactly what a toxic mess he'd hopped aboard. And now he's stuck with it, and trying to spin it as best he can.

But damn...

some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

We all know the conclusion that politicians will draw: 'McCain waited too long to go all-negative'.

NeverDrunk23: Remember, by mid October, they have to trot out Rev Wright again to scare the vote for mcCain.

Having Rove arrested for contempt could be the Dem response.

If there is an 'October surprise', look for impeachment of Cheney and/or Bush to suddenly hit the fast track.

TheOther: some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

We all know the conclusion that politicians will draw: 'McCain waited too long to go all-negative'.

I actually think the problem is, he didn't follow the Bush/Rove handbook closely enough. He's told a ton of small outright lies, instead of relying on one big one.

TheOther: NeverDrunk23: Remember, by mid October, they have to trot out Rev Wright again to scare the vote for mcCain.

Having Rove arrested for contempt could be the Dem response.

If there is an 'October surprise', look for impeachment of Cheney and/or Bush to suddenly hit the fast track.

If that was planned, then McCain would be the one leading the charge. He'll have an epiphany to the Bush administration and see how they are treasonous and call for their impeachment. That way people will try to weaken the 'McCain=Bush III' point.

Remember, the GOP's main point is this: 'Anything to win.'

NeverDrunk23: some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

/I know... slim to none.

Remember, by mid October, they have to trot out Rev Wright again to scare the vote for mcCain.

McCain wont let them go after Wright. He ordered his campaign that wright was off limits. I don't know why but he holds no punches on anything else. Maybe he's scared of Palins boogey man preacher but I think there's more to it.

/saw this^ reported on msnbc this morning

I think the McCain campaign has lost it's mind. They are running a huge campaign here in...wait for it...California!
As f*cking if. It's delusional.

Conceding Michigan and sending Palin to fight for a single EV in Nebraska is, if not a winning strategy, certainly a maverick play.

/Maverick. POW. Maverick.

Mugato: Going negative? I've never seen a positive McCain ad. They all consist of spewing out misleading half truths about Obama and close with a sleeping baby, no doubt with a scary black man in a turban just off camera.

To be fair, he did have one, he's just not playing it anymore.

/and the scary black man isn't off camera, it's just a millisecond subliminal blip

honeymaid8: The host said, "Yeah Tucker, but what about the economy?"

Tucker said "Obama wants to talk about the economy to avoid talking about Bill Ayers".

This is by far the worst framing I've ever heard. I hope an Obama surrogate was on at the same time encouraging him to continue making this ridiculous argument.

McCain's onus is unremarkable.

Now, Sarah Palin's on the other hand...

alostpacket: NeverDrunk23: some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

/I know... slim to none.

Remember, by mid October, they have to trot out Rev Wright again to scare the vote for mcCain.

McCain wont let them go after Wright. He ordered his campaign that wright was off limits. I don't know why but he holds no punches on anything else. Maybe he's scared of Palins boogey man preacher but I think there's more to it.

/saw this^ reported on msnbc this morning

FauxNews was talking about this "order" this morning. They said nothing should be off limits because Obama just can't be trusted. If I was attempting to stay sober I would have started drinking this morning when I woke up.

WTF am I talking about, I would not have gone to bed and continued to just drink.

alostpacket: NeverDrunk23: some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Good. The worse McCain tanks in this election, the better chance we have of the GOP abandoning this kind of bullshiat in the future.

/I know... slim to none.

Remember, by mid October, they have to trot out Rev Wright again to scare the vote for mcCain.

McCain wont let them go after Wright. He ordered his campaign that wright was off limits. I don't know why but he holds no punches on anything else. Maybe he's scared of Palins boogey man preacher but I think there's more to it.

/saw this^ reported on msnbc this morning

If he brings up Wright again, "Governor Palin, did Jesus ride a dinosaur?" becomes fair play.

/And the witch-hunter
//And the evil spellcasting Kenyan woman her church was founded in opposition to
///and open claims that Democrats go to hell
////etc, etc

co-conspirator: It also looks like his campaign has had to rethink their plan to charge people for the "McCain/Palin" lawn signs. No, they're not free again. Now they're PAYING people to put them in their yards in some embarrassingly low-support areas.

Got Link?

In speeches given on Jan. 31 and Feb. 4, 2003, Biden expressed confidence that the war would go badly - and well. He said the war was justified - and not justified. He predicted a lot of bad stuff that did happen, and a lot that didn't happen. He predicted every possible outcome. So in Thursday's debate he wanted credit for being right.

Goes for both parts of that team.
Never take a strong definitive stand either way until it has passed.

Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going more negative.

FTFY

/McCain started in the mud, then he moved to the toilet, now he's taking a swan dive into the hog lagoon.

McCain on swift boating:

In an exclusive television interview, Arizona Sen. John McCain told Tapper, "I condemn the ad, it is dishonest and dishonorable, I think it is very, very wrong." McCain, who feels that he was the victim of a similar attack in 2000, thinks it is irrelevant that the attack today, just as in 2000, is coming from Bush allies but not from the Bush campaign itself. "I hope that the President will also condemn it," McCain said, in a challenge to his fellow Republican. (new window)

At first I was like *HA*

Then I was like *Cry*

jso2897: I think the McCain campaign has lost it's mind. They are running a huge campaign here in...wait for it...California!
As f*cking if. It's delusional.

Oh man... how does a Republican justify conceding Michigan before California?

LocalCynic: honeymaid8: The host said, "Yeah Tucker, but what about the economy?"

Tucker said "Obama wants to talk about the economy to avoid talking about Bill Ayers".

This is by far the worst framing I've ever heard. I hope an Obama surrogate was on at the same time encouraging him to continue making this ridiculous argument.

I'm glad to see the 90% white Republican party try anything but talking about the economy. I hope they hit a new low--after Bush/Cheney I don't know how that would be possible.

I'm so glad I'm a registered Repubican voting for Obama. I hope someday to vote for a Republican again.

And you Christians that are supporting McCain Palin, you keep breaking the 9th commandment by telling lies about your brother in Christ Obama. You're storing up treasures in heaven by telling lies for Jesus. You would think you would support the Christian who married one wife, became a teacher, worked to improve his community, is raising two daughters. But no.

TheOther: If there is an 'October surprise', look for impeachment of Cheney and/or Bush to suddenly hit the fast track.

I hope you aren't serious. #1, they've had a year with a president below 30% approval, with some possible misdemeanors at least that are impeachable, and they haven't pursued it precisely because it would "look political". #2, congress is out of session until January when they meet to count the electoral votes. I'm pretty sure I read that they aren't going to have a lame duck session.

deja vu all over again

Can somebody please explain the Ayers thing to me? So far I have that a decade ago, Obama knew a guy who two decades before that knew some people who were violent criminals, but was never convicted of anything himself and is now a university professor.

Is that it? If so then, crap, I'm closer to Kevin Bacon that Obama is to "turrists"

czetie: Can somebody please explain the Ayers thing to me? So far I have that a decade ago, Obama knew a guy who two decades before that knew some people who were violent criminals, but was never convicted of anything himself and is now a university professor.

Is that it? If so then, crap, I'm closer to Kevin Bacon that Obama is to "turrists"

No, you don't understand. Obama is ALSO black.

alostpacket: McCain wont let them go after Wright. He ordered his campaign that wright was off limits. I don't know why but he holds no punches on anything else. Maybe he's scared of Palins boogey man preacher but I think there's more to it.

What in the world makes you think mccain word means anything at this point?

He probably wanted Wright off limits so he could pull him out as his ace-in-the-hole, since it's only worth a week or so 'bounce'. Of course, even that is old thinking as people have already started voting.

honeymaid8: Gonz: John McCain is behind in the polls, so he is going negative.

Tucker Bounds was just on MSNBC.

The host said, "Yeah Tucker, but what about the economy?"

Tucker said "Obama wants to talk about the economy to avoid talking about Bill Ayers".

Wha? You don't want to talk about how at least two states are coming to the federal government for loans to pay their employees and the world market is tanking so hard they're trying to prop up Germany as we speak - you don't want to talk about that because a (now) functioning member of society was on a committee with Obama to teach young children 30 years after he set bombs - an action which Obama has always denounced.

You want to talk about that? What does that say about your leadership style?

I think the bigger news is that Tucker Bounds is still allowed to speak for the McCain campaign. How many times does that guy have to get owned on national television before the campaign disappears him like they did Fiorina?

TheShavingofOccam123: I'm so glad I'm a registered Repubican voting for Obama. I hope someday to vote for a Republican again.

At this point in the degeneration of the party, you'll be dead first. Hope for a viable 3rd party that you feel represents your views.

And you Christians that are supporting McCain Palin, you keep breaking the 9th commandment by telling lies about your brother in Christ Obama. You're storing up treasures in heaven by telling lies for Jesus. You would think you would support the Christian who married one wife, became a teacher, worked to improve his community, is raising two daughters. But no.

Obama isn't against abortion is all cases, including rape and incest, excluding direct commands from God to tear fetuses out of the uterus and dash it against rocks.

So clearly, like the papists, he isn't a Real Christian.

Also, he is black.

czetie: Can somebody please explain the Ayers thing to me? So far I have that a decade ago, Obama knew a guy who two decades before that knew some people who were violent criminals, but was never convicted of anything himself and is now a university professor.

Is that it? If so then, crap, I'm closer to Kevin Bacon that Obama is to "turrists"

Let me see if I can try.

1. The Republican party is 90% white.

2. The Islamic terrorists who attacked us were brown.

3. Obama is brown.

4. Therefore, the Republicans can whisper that Obama is

a. a Muslim
b. a terrorist

5. The only terrorist the Republicans can link Obama to is Ayres, an organizer of a group that sought to bomb inside the US.
The only connection between Obama and Ayres appears to be recent work together on community work and the fact they live near each other.

If McCain's gonna have any chance at all, he better learn to wink. That tactic is a sure vote-getter!

TheOther:
If there is an 'October surprise', look for impeachment of Cheney and/or Bush to suddenly hit the fast track.

The Democrats won't impeach Cheney or Bush, even if they start raping babies (personally, rather than through surrogates).

czetie: Can somebody please explain the Ayers thing to me? So far I have that a decade ago, Obama knew a guy who two decades before that knew some people who were violent criminals, but was never convicted of anything himself and is now a university professor.

You sort of have it except:

They weren't exactly "violent criminals" unless you mean violence against buildings. The only people they ever killed were themselves, when a bomb blew up on them. That was pretty much the end of their publicity.

But yeah, it's irritating when news accounts just mention Ayers the terrorist without clarifying that he is not even a convict, unlike a third of the Nixon white house.

The Mavrick: How many times does that guy have to get owned on national television before the campaign disappears him like they did Fiorina?

The funny thing about that is I'm sure she signed a fixed price contract, so they are still paying her for doing nothing.

Donate more money to mccain, so he can pay huge bucks to complete losers!

flyurchin: Is this the thread where we rage at Palin and McCain attempting to call Obama a turrist?

When Palin says "turrist" I never know whether she means "terrorist" or "tourist". You'd think that the context would make it clear. But not in her case.

Donald_McRonald: On this day 4 years ago:

Kerry 238, Bush 296

Today:

Obama 348, McCain 190

Oh Snap.