...and almost as old as McCain.

And Jesus doesn't come with your choice of toppings. No cheese. Not even sauce. Just a stick-in-your-throat thin crust with a frankly disappointing crunch and lackluster flavor.

The last one I had from Domino's seemed it.

I have a few pieces of that first pizza sitting in the back of my refrigerator, if anyone would like dare to try some.

Someone summon Bevets, this could be epic

Is is a proven fact that Jesus even lived? I've always filed him with the Tooth Fairy and Santa.

What a coincidence! Jesus is that illegal immigrant who delivers pizzas in the Bronx!

Pizza > Jesus; there I said it.

The Angry Hand of God:

Damn marketing. Whatever happened to all things going through me?

Tomatoes came from the New World, right? and the native americans didnt have domesticated cows, or buffalo.... so (italian) dough and tomato sauce and cheese could not have come into contact with one another before 1493....farkin impossible.

also, this article is worthless.

My local supermarket (Hannaford's, for those of you in the northeast) just started carrying pizza dough, in both regular and wheat.

I've been making my own dough from scratch for about twenty years now, and I've got to say that the ready-to-roll dough is a godsend. It has the stretchy consistency I've never quite been able to get right, and it saves me about 1-2 hours of kneading and rising. Plus, for $1.50, it's hard to go wrong.

One downside: the wheat dough is very filling, will sit like a rock in your digestive tract, and when it wants out IT WANTS OUT NOW!

Passes the 3-day resurrection test, as well.

cold linked?

co-conspirator: And Jesus doesn't come with your choice of toppings. No cheese. Not even sauce. Just a stick-in-your-throat thin crust with a frankly disappointing crunch and lackluster flavor.

...and the beverage to wash it down tastes like MD 20/20 too.

Well, there are only so many recipes you can make with five loaves and two fishes.

riitzen: Is is a proven fact that Jesus even lived? I've always filed him with the Tooth Fairy and Santa.

Actually, there is some. Proven, is a touchy issue, but there is circumstantial evidence.
I haven't had enough coffee yet to thoroughly debate this issue. Sorry.

Is this any surprise? I've eaten at Little Caesars before.

riitzen: Is is a proven fact that Jesus even lived? I've always filed him with the Tooth Fairy and Santa.

Proven? Well, it's pretty difficult to prove that given the time/backwoods nature of wear he lived. There is certainly some evidence. The scholarly consensus is generally yes that he existed but what exactly he did/said is widely debated.

More importantly, I'm eating a pizza as I type this and it is, yes, mildly better then Jesus.

/stuffed pizza ftw!

Regnad Kcin: riitzen: Is is a proven fact that Jesus even lived? I've always filed him with the Tooth Fairy and Santa.

Actually, there is some. Proven, is a touchy issue, but there is circumstantial evidence.
I haven't had enough coffee yet to thoroughly debate this issue. Sorry.

I'd like to hear this, I was under the impression that there were no credible historical accounts of a Jesus, and only one mention by a credible historical account of a Christ

/Actually am curious

the_sidewinder:

Someone summon Bevets, this could be epic

Pizza as a metaphor for evolution... interesting.

Communion pizza....

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Happy Pizza Month!

/who knew?

The lore/myth/legend/prophecy ...whatever...of a woman giving birth to a son of a deity goes back way before "Christ" and is present in multiple ancient cultures.

The Jesus we all know and love was basically somehow chosen arbitrarily. The likely consensus is that after he was executed one of his fanatical followers plundered his tomb and removed his remains. It wasn't until several years later that the whole "he rose from the dead" rumor began to take shape. Just as lampooned in the film Life of Brian,there were multiple potential "messiahs" roaming around the ancient world.


....they probably all enjoyed pizza.

desidog: Tomatoes came from the New World, right? and the native americans didnt have domesticated cows, or buffalo.... so (italian) dough and tomato sauce and cheese could not have come into contact with one another before 1493....farkin impossible.

also, this article is worthless.

It doesn't say that tomatoes were used. The Ancients used pine nuts, olives, tree bark, and other items lying around. I'm sure they would have used tomatoes if they had been available, the tomato being a very versatile fruit and full of flavour.

Pizza is older than Jesus

...and a lot tastier. Those wafers suck.

the_sidewinder: I'd like to hear this, I was under the impression that there were no credible historical accounts of a Jesus, and only one mention by a credible historical account of a Christ

Ok briefly:
The Bible itself is evidence, I mean 4 distinct autobiographical accounts about someone is pretty decent evidence. Plus, Paul was writing only about 15 years after Jesus died, although Paul doesn't claim to have physically met Jesus. He does however claim to have met the same Apostles mentioned in the gospels and it's clear that the author of Mark, at least, did not know Paul's letters, so it seems there was some sort of community there. There are also a bunch of gnostic gospels which mention him as well. A lot of these are later but the Gospel of Thomas at least it pretty early.

Again, some early Church Fathers claim to have known the original apostles, who were supposedly still preaching during their lives. So, again it seems there was some community there who claimed to be following the teachings of some "Jesus"

Josephus the Jewish historian mentions Jesus, although one of these passages was almost certainly added later (or at least altered later, some of the manuscripts indicate that there was originally just a passing mention that was added to by a later scribe). He also mentions Jesus in the context of his brother James (as in "James the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ") this seeems authentic.

There's some graffiti from around 70 that mentions Jesus and is actually the first visual depiction of him still extant (although it is a negative caricature).

Tacitus, Pliny, and others mention Christians as having existed during the first century. Although this, of course, doesn't mean Jesus existed it does indicate that there was a community fairly early on.

Finally, none of the early critics of Christianity claimed that he didn't exist. Celsus, who wrote a particularly vitriolic attack said that Jesus was an illegitimate child and a magician but not non-existent.

There may be more that I've forgotten (I'm not a Bible scholar), but yeah I'd say strong circumstantial evidence.

Roto-Rot: desidog: Tomatoes came from the New World, right? and the native americans didnt have domesticated cows, or buffalo.... so (italian) dough and tomato sauce and cheese could not have come into contact with one another before 1493....farkin impossible.

also, this article is worthless.

It doesn't say that tomatoes were used. The Ancients used pine nuts, olives, tree bark, and other items lying around. I'm sure they would have used tomatoes if they had been available, the tomato being a very versatile fruit and full of flavour.

maybe not, ancients had a fear of tomatoes, thinkin they were poisonous, since it is a cousin of deadly nightshade.

attackingpencil: the_sidewinder: I'd like to hear this, I was under the impression that there were no credible historical accounts of a Jesus, and only one mention by a credible historical account of a Christ

Ok briefly:
The Bible itself is evidence, I mean 4 distinct autobiographical accounts about someone is pretty decent evidence. Plus, Paul was writing only about 15 years after Jesus died, although Paul doesn't claim to have physically met Jesus. He does however claim to have met the same Apostles mentioned in the gospels and it's clear that the author of Mark, at least, did not know Paul's letters, so it seems there was some sort of community there. There are also a bunch of gnostic gospels which mention him as well. A lot of these are later but the Gospel of Thomas at least it pretty early.

Again, some early Church Fathers claim to have known the original apostles, who were supposedly still preaching during their lives. So, again it seems there was some community there who claimed to be following the teachings of some "Jesus"

Josephus the Jewish historian mentions Jesus, although one of these passages was almost certainly added later (or at least altered later, some of the manuscripts indicate that there was originally just a passing mention that was added to by a later scribe). He also mentions Jesus in the context of his brother James (as in "James the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ") this seeems authentic.

There's some graffiti from around 70 that mentions Jesus and is actually the first visual depiction of him still extant (although it is a negative caricature).

Tacitus, Pliny, and others mention Christians as having existed during the first century. Although this, of course, doesn't mean Jesus existed it does indicate that there was a community fairly early on.

Finally, none of the early critics of Christianity claimed that he didn't exist. Celsus, who wrote a particularly vitriolic attack said that Jesus was an illegitimate child and a magician but not non-existent.

There may be more that I've forgotten (I'm not a Bible scholar), but yeah I'd say strong circumstantial evidence.

Bah...If you don't have enough evidence in your life, you're not looking for it. Just go to a fellowship (not a church building with lots of ornate sculptures and some old man yakking at you, a fellowship where everyone gets together in the name of the Lord), and get involved. Tell me you don't feel a little better afterwards.

/How can you deny a man who can change water to wine?

desidog: Tomatoes came from the New World, right? and the native americans didnt have domesticated cows, or buffalo.... so (italian) dough and tomato sauce and cheese could not have come into contact with one another before 1493....farkin impossible.

also, this article is worthless.

I order pizzas all the time that don't have tomato sauce. Not a requirement to be a pizza.

/Obvious

I think that if they gave us pizza instead of wafers, I still might be Catholic.

And yet it still gets here within 30 minutes of my telephone call. Miraculous.

Flash314

/How can you deny a man who can change water to wine?

Peter managed. Three times no less.

craigdamage: The lore/myth/legend/prophecy ...whatever...of a woman giving birth to a son of a deity goes back way before "Christ" and is present in multiple ancient cultures.

The Jesus we all know and love was basically somehow chosen arbitrarily. The likely consensus is that after he was executed one of his fanatical followers plundered his tomb and removed his remains. It wasn't until several years later that the whole "he rose from the dead" rumor began to take shape. Just as lampooned in the film Life of Brian,there were multiple potential "messiahs" roaming around the ancient world.


....they probably all enjoyed pizza.

One interesting way to look at this is to say that the concept of the "dying God" is present in many ancient religions, and that it finally, actually happened for real.

As far as the tomb being plundered being the "likely consensus", I would suggest that you "consense" a little more.

...and then have some delicious pizza.

There's Jesus in my pizza.

CygnusDarius: There's Jesus in my pizza.

Sell it on EBay!!!

[LOOKS IN REFRIGERATOR]

The pizza in my fridge is older than Jesus.

[TOSSES BOX INTO GARBAGE CAN]

Give us this day our daily bread, with extra cheese!

Jesus is just alright with me. Not terrible, not awesome, just alright. Mary Magdeline on the other hand, hubba hubba. Peace be upon her. And by "peace," I mean "my penis." And by "be upon her"...

Am I threadjacking? You betcha!

Flash314: Bah...If you don't have enough evidence in your life, you're not looking for it. Just go to a fellowship (not a church building with lots of ornate sculptures and some old man yakking at you, a fellowship where everyone gets together in the name of the Lord), and get involved. Tell me you don't feel a little better afterwards.

a fellowship? like in one of them big megamall church buildings? they don't even look like a proper church. i'll take mine in high gothic, and if i could find it, a latin mass, with lots of incense and ornate robes on the alter boys, and priests. and no folksy guitar playin either!

*rummages through Rann Xerox's trash*

LaChanz: ...and almost as old as McCain.

bmjones66: CygnusDarius: There's Jesus in my pizza.

Sell it on EBay!!!

B-B-But it's italian sausage and onions!.

billybobtoo: Flash314: Bah...If you don't have enough evidence in your life, you're not looking for it. Just go to a fellowship (not a church building with lots of ornate sculptures and some old man yakking at you, a fellowship where everyone gets together in the name of the Lord), and get involved. Tell me you don't feel a little better afterwards.

a fellowship? like in one of them big megamall church buildings? they don't even look like a proper church. i'll take mine in high gothic, and if i could find it, a latin mass, with lots of incense and ornate robes priests on the alter boys, and priests. and no folksy guitar playin either!

FTFY

Subby: Pizza is older than Jesus



...and more popular, too?

Yeah, I should take it out of the fridge at some point.

And why hasn't this thread turned into a New York vs. Chicago pizza thread yet? You disappoint me.