Palin: "This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world," Palin said. "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."

I'm predicting that she goes for the Godwin before it's all over.

No it doesn't, you simpleton fop.

It's different when white people do it.

I think those questions were already legitimate.

"Goddamn America!"

vs.

Refusing to be buried under the American flag, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American," "I have no use for America and her damn institutions," "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government..."

What's the difference? Press coverage.

/thank God for the horribly biased pro-Obama liberal media

vegaswench: No it doesn't, you simpleton fop.

The hell it doesn't.

I wasn't aware you could go past full retard, but Sarah Palin is proving all of us wrong. She went past it, and went past it at full throttle.

vegaswench: No it doesn't, you simpleton fop.

I agree. Those questions were legitimized by her appearances at their conventions and her longstanding marriage to a member of that secessionist organization.

Well, at least she has the dumbass vote locked up

Notabunny: Well, at least she has the dumbass vote locked up

Unfortunately, that is a significant percentage of the American electorate.

Is there anyone left for this "palling around with terrorists" message to even REACH? Does anyone who hasn't heard it with the inclination to both believe it and change his or her vote because of it, even still exist?

Relatively Obscure: Is there anyone left for this "palling around with terrorists" message to even REACH? Does anyone who hasn't heard it with the inclination to both believe it and change his or her vote because of it, even still exist?

It's Palin's job to nail down the 'stupid' vote, and she does it well.

Palin makes starbursts come through the TV into my living room. I love her.

^Ooo_ooooh Sarah^cuda_aaaaaa

I like picturing terrorists pallin' around.

Playin' Tiddlywinks.
Punchin' each other in the shoulder playfully.
Runnin' around the pool.
Playin' stickball out in the street.

bobbette: I think those questions were already legitimate.

Damn straight they were. But while Obama could be said to be made of Teflon, Palin is more like the good china. You've got to treat her gently, oh so gently, and wait for her to leave openings before you take your shots. Otherwise, you're a sexist bastard, or you're just mean and elitist.

I'm sick of this biatch and even sicker of the soft treatment she gets.

Tonight I had the misfortune to overhear the stupidest conversation that anyone has ever had, and it made me think Americans deserve John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Middle-aged blond fat woman to bartender: "Obama is friends with terrorists." (sighs) "I'm scared he'll win."

Bartender: "Are you registered Republican?"

Woman: "No, I'm registered Democrat but I'm voting McCain."

Bartender: "I don't think you can vote for the Republican if you're registered as a Democrat."

Third person listening in: "No, no, they changed that rule."

I had to walk away at that point. No one needs to witness, up close and personal, how goddammed stupid our fellow Americans really are.

the_cnidarian: Palin makes starbursts come through the TV into my living room. I love her.

Did a video of Olbermann's reading of Lowry's public declaration of masturbation make Fark yet, and if not, why not?

There is nothing unAmerican about being part of a secessionist organization. They are Federalists who strongly believe in states rights to the point of severing National control over their lives, laws, and their resources.

Todd Palin has never been a person of interest, let alone a suspect, in any act of terrorism. He has always cooperated with the local authorities and has occasionally used his snow mobile skills and terrain knowledge to assist investigations, track fugitives, and get the fresh doughnuts.

oregoncat: It's Palin's job to nail down the 'stupid' vote, and she does it well.

Were they planning on voting differently? I just can't imagine. I guess maybe this is supposed to encourage people to show up to the polls rather than sit it out, but I dunno how clearly it'll do that, either.

Confabulat: Tonight I had the misfortune to overhear the stupidest conversation that anyone has ever had...

I'm not trying to brag, but I think I've got you beat. (NSFW ads and links)

TheGreatZarquon: Palin: "This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world," Palin said. "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."

I'm predicting that she goes for the Godwin before it's all over.

Well you know who else rebelled against a strong, populist government by planting bombs? Von Stauffenberg!

RandomExcess: He has always cooperated with the local authorities

Unless he's dodging subpoenas. The same ones Palin is dodging. But the doughnuts are, in fact, delicious.

Joe Vogler was killed while attempting to buy plastic explosives. I'm sure he didn't intend to use the C4 for any terroristic activities, just advocating for state's rights.

Actually, neither question is really meaningful or enlightening.

The AIP was started as a secessionist party by Joe Vogler. Back in the day, Alaska still felt like a bastard stepchild to the rest of the country, and there was a lot of tension between us and Outside.

Vogler stuck to his ideals and had a small following... Kinda like Bob Barr or Ron Paul. And yes, they pushed for secession.

But many who join the party are just disgruntled GOP folks who've had a falling-out with the party, and want to use the AIP's status to continue politicking.

The way elections work in Alaska is, you can get on the ballot for any election for (IIRC) $50 -- If you're a member of a recognized party. Otherwise, you have to organize a petition campaign to get on as an independent -- that's a lot of work, and a lot of expense.

When someone falls out of the GOP, they usually join the AIP to run for office -- as did Nixon's former Sec. of the Interior, Walter Hickel, when he ran for (and won) the Gov. race in the 90s.

The party "leadership" doesn't like being used this way, of course, and after election, Hickel switched back to the GOP.

The dems there do it to -- they use the Green Party to run against each other when they're having spats. Recent Dem. Congressional contender Diane Benson ran for Gov. as a green, then switched back to the dems...

No Dem running on the Green Party ticket would vote against oil exploration there, for example. They do not follow the party platforms -- they just use their status. You don't need party leader permission, and there are too few candidates in these parties to worry about primary competition.

They do this all the time. It's part of Alaska local politics. Nobody there really believes the AIP will actually push for secession....

...anymore than any rational person believes Obama was a "good friend" of terrorists.

And you wonder why Republicans LOVE to cut funding for education: they're building their base.

GAT_00: I wasn't aware you could go past full retard, but Sarah Palin is proving all of us wrong. She went past it, and went past it at full throttle.

There's a "Trig" joke in there somewhere, but I'm not putting myself in the window seat.

Confabulat: Tonight I had the misfortune to overhear the stupidest conversation that anyone has ever had, and it made me think Americans deserve John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Middle-aged blond fat woman to bartender: "Obama is friends with terrorists." (sighs) "I'm scared he'll win."

Bartender: "Are you registered Republican?"

Woman: "No, I'm registered Democrat but I'm voting McCain."

Bartender: "I don't think you can vote for the Republican if you're registered as a Democrat."

Third person listening in: "No, no, they changed that rule."

I had to walk away at that point. No one needs to witness, up close and personal, how goddammed stupid our fellow Americans really are.

In fairness, they were at a bar. At the risk of seeming condescending, I don't think there would be a lot of geniuses around.

the_cnidarian: Palin makes starbursts come through the TV into my living room. I love her.

I dont know why, but I laughed so damn hard at that I almost had ginger ale squirt out of my nose. You would think I'd eventually learn not to eat or drink while Farking.

WFern: At the risk of seeming condescending, I don't think there would be a lot of geniuses around.

Ha, where do the smart Americans drink then?

propasaurus: Joe Vogler was killed while attempting to buy plastic explosives. I'm sure he didn't intend to use the C4 for any terroristic activities, just advocating for state's rights.

Nobody really knows what happened to lead to his murder -- just like JFK, there are conspiracy theories filling in gaps everywhere. But any possession of explosives by Vogler would probably have been for mining....

Lenny_da_Hog: They do this all the time. It's part of Alaska local politics. Nobody there really believes the AIP will actually push for secession....

...anymore than any rational person believes Obama was a "good friend" of terrorists.

This.

WFern: In fairness, they were at a bar. At the risk of seeming condescending, I don't think there would be a lot of geniuses around.

Wow. Good thing Obama didn't throw that in there during the remarks that kicked off Bittergate.

"This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world," Palin said. "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."

Stay classy, Sarah.

Oh, and call me crazy, but isn't it a bit un-Christian to say that America is the greatest force for good in the world?

GhostFish: "This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world," Palin said. "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."

Stay classy, Sarah.

Oh, and call me crazy, but isn't it a bit un-Christian to say that America is the greatest force for good in the world?

Oooo. Don't question Sarah's knowledge of *force* -- she's an energy expert, dontchaknow! Nobody knows more about energy than (wink) Sarah!

Benevolent Misanthrope: Notabunny: Well, at least she has the dumbass vote locked up

Unfortunately, that is a significant percentage of the American electorate.

- as already confirmed by the last two presidential elections.

I've long felt that we get the government we deserve. And that has long been among my greatest fears.

Confabulat: WFern: At the risk of seeming condescending, I don't think there would be a lot of geniuses around.

Ha, where do the smart Americans drink then?

In front of their computer screens, reading Fark.

/obvious

oregoncat: In front of their computer screens, reading Fark.

/obvious

Point taken.

/sips another beer

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I've long felt that we get the government we deserve. And that has long been among my greatest fears.

You've long felt that?

This isn't a Plato Republic, there is no constitutional philosopher king. We always deserve what we vote for. I mean, the majority voted for it.

Lenny_da_Hog: Actually, neither question is really meaningful or enlightening.

The AIP was started as a secessionist party by Joe Vogler. Back in the day, Alaska still felt like a bastard stepchild to the rest of the country, and there was a lot of tension between us and Outside.

Vogler stuck to his ideals and had a small following... Kinda like Bob Barr or Ron Paul. And yes, they pushed for secession.

But many who join the party are just disgruntled GOP folks who've had a falling-out with the party, and want to use the AIP's status to continue politicking.

The way elections work in Alaska is, you can get on the ballot for any election for (IIRC) $50 -- If you're a member of a recognized party. Otherwise, you have to organize a petition campaign to get on as an independent -- that's a lot of work, and a lot of expense.

When someone falls out of the GOP, they usually join the AIP to run for office -- as did Nixon's former Sec. of the Interior, Walter Hickel, when he ran for (and won) the Gov. race in the 90s.

The party "leadership" doesn't like being used this way, of course, and after election, Hickel switched back to the GOP.

The dems there do it to -- they use the Green Party to run against each other when they're having spats. Recent Dem. Congressional contender Diane Benson ran for Gov. as a green, then switched back to the dems...

No Dem running on the Green Party ticket would vote against oil exploration there, for example. They do not follow the party platforms -- they just use their status. You don't need party leader permission, and there are too few candidates in these parties to worry about primary competition.

They do this all the time. It's part of Alaska local politics. Nobody there really believes the AIP will actually push for secession....

...anymore than any rational person believes Obama was a "good friend" of terrorists.

Thank you for the informative post :)

Notabunny: Definitely the best part of that video is the guy in the back, who seems to have enough sense to realize that he doesn't want to be filmed with that woman. ;)

Some might think believing, as Sarah Palin does, we are living in the end times and that Alaska has to prepare for the arrival of hundreds of thousands of refugees arriving
is radical. Others might think giving nukular launch codes to someone that believes the destruction of the world is religiously preordained by an invisible sky god and will automagically elevate the good people to their rightful place in the sky with him is radical. Sarah Palin believes someone who used direct action against military facilities-property, not people- to bring public attention to the killing of civilians by using air raids in a ground war, is radical. Others would think electing a man president that bombed civilian targets is radical. Some would say that running to lead a country involved in two wars that you do not aim to end, and threatening two more countries with war if you get elected, while your country is nearly bankrupt, and using 'reform, prosperity and peace' as your campaign slogan is radical. It's pretty hard to tell what radical is these days, hell the pope was in the hitler youth and a nazi anti-aircract gunner! I think it all needs to be talked about.
Or maybe they should just hug it out. I don't think Barack would draw wood.

Notabunny: but I think I've got you beat.

Sweet jesus, you just made Sarah Palin look like the greatest orator in history compared to that genetic cesspool.

This does more to legitimize the Obama-acorn story than it does to discredit Palin. The Palin story has backing to it, equating to Obama's terrorist sympathies means that story has backing too. People are stupid and I can see Palin's line of attack continuing with this purpose in mind.

sacrileg: This does more to legitimize the Obama-acorn story than it does to discredit Palin. The Palin story has backing to it, equating to Obama's terrorist sympathies means that story has backing too. People are stupid and I can see Palin's line of attack continuing with this purpose in mindis bad news...for Obama.

photographic proof.