I understand what you're doing subby, but that really is a misleading headline.

YAY! GUN NUT, CASTLE DOCTRINE THREAD!!!!11!!1!!2!


_{/I know it was a knife}

truly is a misleading headline.....

/guns
//you can't have them
/cold...dead...fingers...

Seems like a good deal.

*stab* Officer, take this man away!

FTFA:
His charges relate to injuries to two of the youths allegedly received, one of whom claims he had a swollen nose, mouth and damage to his teeth.

They attacked him with a KNIFE. He BEAT THEM UP. And he's being charged. Something's wrong when the guy that's being arrested not only was defending himself, but he was using the less lethal weapon...

FTFA: Sensible Sentencing Trust boss Garth McVicar said: "If people hesitate when confronted with a potential burglar, robbery or assault, then that could cost them their lives. The public must have the right to defend their castle."

Kaur said she and her husband had been moved by the plight of Manurewa liquor store owner Navtej Singh, shot and killed in a robbery in June

kidsizedcoffin: YAY! GUN NUT, CASTLE DOCTRINE THREAD!!!!11!!1!!2!


/I know it was a knife

Hole in one.

Imagine the outrage if this happened in America...

sounds like he started the fight

Mr_Master2: Imagine the outrage if this happened in America...

If it happened in America, the guy would sue the collective asses off of everyone involved.

/so would the kids and police

this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

tuxq: a shat


Disapproves.

So this drunken 15 year old punk goes into the liquor store and walks out with a bottle. The store owner confronts him, and the little bastard stabs him?

That kid should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, and attempted murder. Preferably as an adult.

/Someone needs to give that shopkeeper a medal and a Mossberg.
//God bless the USA and the castle doctrine.

He should move to a place where it is not only legal, but encouraged to kill criminals. Like the Great State of Texas.

tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

Until the U.S. Government decides to go all Socialist and take ownership of various companies by bailout, and communist by treating its own citizens as suspects at the airport. I love being an American, but we have our own unique problems.

tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

FTFA:

"You don't have time to think about law and order, you just have to protect yourself," she said.

This.

There are still only two states in the U.S that don't issue CCWs and those are WI and IL if I'm correct.

Yes, I know this story is from NZ.

God Bless America.

/flame on....

skinink: tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.
Until the U.S. Government decides to go all Socialist and take ownership of various companies by bailout, and communist by treating its own citizens as suspects at the airport. I love being an American, but we have our own unique problems.

It's easy to take the freedoms we have rights to in this country for granted. We may have our problems, but we will always have our freedom. Flying in an airplane is not a right, it's an option--you have the freedom to walk somewhere and no one can do anything about it (unless it's restricted land, but you're allowed to go around it!)...

Darn it! Close those tag lines girl! ...sorry.

tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

Good for you buddy. You stay over there, I'll stay over here and we'll both be better for it.

Apparently it's excessive force to stop someone from repeatedly stabbing you by hitting them.

I have been both shot and stabbed so I'm not really getting a kick out of any of this.

Uh, it's very unclear from the article what happened. It sounds like he just panicked and attacked a drunk teenager he suspected of shoplifting. If so, the police were right to arrest him.

andynz81: tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

Good for you buddy. You stay over there, I'll stay over here and we'll both be better for it.

Ah, don't take it personal. The government charging this man for self-defense is just insanity. And I will stay here, if I want to see NZ, I will watch LOTR.

/I keed, I keed.
//NZ is a beautiful country
///With nice people
////But apparently the Government has lost their damn mind

Disturbing the peace? I got thrown out of a window! What's the farkin' charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking?

Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

Crime in New Zealand is so rare, criminals are an endangered species and are to be coddled and protected from the damn shopkeeps on every corner.

skinink: tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.
Until the U.S. Government decides to go all Socialist and take ownership of various companies by bailout, and communist by treating its own citizens as suspects at the airport. I love being an American, but we have our own unique problems.

No, no. NO! It's only evil Socialism when it's healthcare. Any other context it's fine. And government-funded projects to bring money into your state is an evil Earmark unless you're a vice presidential candidate.

/That'll get its own bill probably anyway, so TECHnically...

portscanner: Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

Wow that was weak. And from someone named portscanner no less. Guess I should check up with the PD to make sure they have a sniper team outside your house when you port scan my employer's network. Need to make sure my tax dollars are getting used properly and all.

FTA:

Earlier in the week, Singh told another newspaper he would fight charges as he was only defending himself after an intoxicated youth who he believed was shoplifting entered his store.

Mother-of-three Kaur said her husband had only a few seconds to think how to react in the incident.

Strange phrasing, as it seems to suggest that the shopkeeper made up his mind that the guy was a shoplifter within seconds of his entering the store. Which, unless the guy was being chased by some angry security people from another store, seems unlikely.

portscanner: Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

Please tell me you are trolling.

portscanner: Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

Either you're being sarcastic or you're out of your god dammed mind. Last time I checked, I couldn't carry a police officer around in my pocket. Guess what I can and do carry in my pocket? Statistically speaking, you're going to be a victim of crime at least once in your life...

My taxes pay for the police officer to document, investigate and prevent crime. NOT to be my personal security guard.

Learn the farking difference, hippie.

...or the group was clearly composed entirely of teens and there was nothing in the store that they could legally buy. Hm.

tuxq: Last time I checked, I couldn't carry a police officer around in my pocket. Guess what I can and do carry in my pocket?

Unfortunately, I live in a "gun-free zone," and I can't carry anything in my pockets.

Luckily, an 18-inch crowbar will fit in my bag...

portscanner: You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police.

Sharks live in water. There's water in the toilet.

/Q.E.D.

tuxq: andynz81: tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

Good for you buddy. You stay over there, I'll stay over here and we'll both be better for it.

Ah, don't take it personal. The government charging this man for self-defense is just insanity. And I will stay here, if I want to see NZ, I will watch LOTR.

/I keed, I keed.
//NZ is a beautiful country
///With nice people
////But apparently the Government has lost their damn mind

Yeah I'll admit I bit on to that comment. A few beers on a Sunday afternoon brings out the national pride in self defence (and kiwis, self included, are pretty shocking at that)...

On topic, I will say the law is probably too light on this matter, although there's some holes in the story in this instance. In general the legislation (and enforcement) in NZ just hasn't really kept pace with the rise in violent crime.

That said, if it turns out to be a true case of self defence he'll be acquitted.

rebelyell2006: Luckily, an 18-inch crowbar will fit in my bag...

I used to carry a 36 inch gorilla bar under the seat in my car. Only ever had to pull it out once, and the guy that decided I would be a good outlet for his parking lot rage backed off real quick.

portscanner: Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

/Not bad. 8/10. if your name is George D. or Mike R., I know who you are.
//Fellow Atlantan

andynz81: tuxq: andynz81: tuxq: this is why I'm glad to be an American--in America. The only America worth a shat.

Good for you buddy. You stay over there, I'll stay over here and we'll both be better for it.

Ah, don't take it personal. The government charging this man for self-defense is just insanity. And I will stay here, if I want to see NZ, I will watch LOTR.

/I keed, I keed.
//NZ is a beautiful country
///With nice people
////But apparently the Government has lost their damn mind

Yeah I'll admit I bit on to that comment. A few beers on a Sunday afternoon brings out the national pride in self defence (and kiwis, self included, are pretty shocking at that)...

On topic, I will say the law is probably too light on this matter, although there's some holes in the story in this instance. In general the legislation (and enforcement) in NZ just hasn't really kept pace with the rise in violent crime.

That said, if it turns out to be a true case of self defence he'll be acquitted.



Know who else was acquitted?

I had to do it. Had to. Sorry.

/I swore I was done with this thread, I even closed the tab...

Phone_Answering_Monkey: portscanner: You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police.

Sharks live in water. There's water in the toilet.

/Q.E.D.

Damn you, now I'm gonna have to keep checking the toilet....

/damn toilet sharks....

Trust me, the police in NZ would have given this a lot of thought before charging the man. Yes, you are allowed to defend yourself and your property in NZ, up to a point, but that doesn't give you carte blanche powers to do as you see fit.

NZ Crimes Act:

Defence of movable property with claim of right

(1) Every one in peaceable possession of any movable thing under a claim of right, and every one acting under his authority, is protected from criminal responsibility for defending his possession by the use of reasonable force, even against a person entitled by law to possession, if he does not strike or do bodily harm to the other person.

My guess is he chased the kid out of the store, hit him and tried to take the bottle away and got stabbed. If he had just made a grab for the bottle, he would have been okay, legally speaking.

In case anybody else doesn't realize, portscanner was trolling, of course.

portscanner: Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

Quite possibly the weakest post I have ever seen on fark, and I have been here for 5+ years.

Are you seriously saying that if someone walks into your owned establishment, and steals right in front of you, you should walk out the back door? What if this had been his house? Should he walk to his back yard while people rob him, and then call the police when the job is finished?

I am not taking sides on the actual article. There is clearly not enough information. That being said, you might be the biggest pussy alive today.

I am willing to admit I might have been trolled..... if so, I give you 9/10

clipperbox:
/Not bad. 8/10. if your name is George D. or Mike R., I know who you are.
//Fellow Atlantan

Thank you. And no, I am not George or Mike.

occasionalcontributer: In case anybody else doesn't realize, portscanner was trolling, of course.

ARE NOT!!!

If more drunk-ass punks anticipated getting boxed in the snot locker for being asshats maybe fewer of would have to deal with their swollen noses and chipped teeth.

If I get stabbed after I ask you to leave my premises expect extreme measures. Its going to take more than a dentist to fix your problem.

Fact is, what half of the world needs is a solid asskicking: 1/4 because they rightfully deserve it and another 1/4 for saying that they don't.

portscanner: Good. Another vigilante behind bars. This is what should happen when you take the law into your own hands.

You pay taxes. The taxes pay for the police. They have the training in how to properly uphold the law and the authority to do so. You do not.

When you are in a situation that is going to turn into a criminal situation, you should just walk away. If he had done this, he would have not been injured, much less behind bars. He should have walked out the back door when those people walked in the front door. If he felt he was cornered, he should just have given them what they wanted. The victim just wanted a bottle of booze. Is that really worth someone's life? No one was threatened until this shop keeper attacked the victim.

The shop keeper should have let the victim leave with the bottle of booze and just left it at that.

Nice. I give ya 7 of 10.

portscanner: clipperbox:
/Not bad. 8/10. if your name is George D. or Mike R., I know who you are.
//Fellow Atlantan

Thank you. And no, I am not George or Mike.

occasionalcontributer: In case anybody else doesn't realize, portscanner was trolling, of course.

ARE NOT!!!

LIAR!

ok - i read that article... 2 things - 1, it was WAAAAYYY too long. 2, I still am not clear on what happened. Who attacked who first? what exactly happened?

/confyouzed and stoopit

tuxq: We may have our problems, but we will always have our freedom.

No, we won't. We have less and less freedom every day.


/but obviously we still have a lot more than NZ.

clipperbox: /Not bad. 8/10. if your name is George D. or Mike R., I know who you are.
//Fellow Atlantan

Are they necessarily from Atlanta proper?

Completely misleading story.

As far as I can assemble it from various local news goes like this:

Shop owner has hockey stick behind counter.
Kid comes in shoplifting.
Owner and owners nephew chase kid out, beat up kid with hockey stick and a fence paling then hold him down while they call police.
Kids friends pile in.
Knife appears (at this stage)
Owner gets cut.
Charges are filed against owner (for original beating) and kid with knife (for knife attack)

Up to each of us whether we think its okay to beat kids up with hockey sticks for shoplifting isnt it? However either way its a marginal decision, not some 'omg stupid police' thing.