That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

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Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

Why? It's not like we have any control on who gets voted into office...

Doesn't that remind anyone of another place & time?

Buncha people not neccessarily loathsome in and of themselves, but supporting a vicious, expansionist, inhumane, bigoted, militaristic government feared and opposed by large portions of the civilized world?

Think hard.

/Doesn't want to do that to this thread quite so early
//Wants you to do it for him

Stupid Americans will believe anything.

Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

We will never forgive you for Celine Dion.

Tell them to get in farking line... like any of us can stand them either.

/dnrtfa

I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world for scientific research

that's what they say now. When next we have a government that they on paper should approve of, they'll come to their senses and go back to hating us on an individual basis.

That's ok, we don't like our government either.

excedrin: still the best place in the world for scientific research

Depends on the type of research :) But yes, in general funding for research is the best in the US. There are some downsides though.

Truthfully, I don't like most people in America and I'm an American. Most of us are blissfully ignorant and easily manipulated.

excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world

FTFY

/still the best place in the world for slogans too, poonjab ;)

So that's something we have in common with the rest of the world, then...

excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world for scientific research

Hyperbole. You has it.

Don't get me wrong, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional bullshiat, but we're not nationalizing or shutting down any and all media outlets that disagree with El Presidente.

It may be true that the government spies on its citizens better than the commies do, but that's a function of technology and wealth, not of a more restrictive environment.

I hate my government too.

If I went out of the country on vacation, I'd fake an English or Canadian accent.

I don't understand how any country in the world could like our government. It's like a bad joke or a really scary nightmare.

excedrin: //still the best place in the world for scientific research

I wouldn't have expected that, but great if it's true.

Bush or Chimp? (new window)

entropic_existence: excedrin: still the best place in the world for scientific research

Depends on the type of research :) But yes, in general funding for research is the best in the US. There are some downsides though.

Give it a few years. Weve got this anti science anti brain thing going on here, and already people are holding conferences anywhere else but the US due to the hassle of getting visas.

excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world for scientific research

Well come to America, you're a jackass.

/Doesn't like the prospect of gub'ment surveillance
//May only be true considering how poor those other countries are
///But you're full of shiat

I'm surprised the Obvious tag hasn't gotten sent to Guantanamo and water-boarded yet.

That's just the international relations version of breaking up with someone, saying "it's not that I don't love you, I'm just not in love with you." They do hate us, do not want to be our friends, and would probably feel a sense of relief if we died in an accident somehow.

Staypuft_Mushmallow_Manz: excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world for scientific research

Hyperbole. You has it.

Don't get me wrong, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional bullshiat, but we're not nationalizing or shutting down any and all media outlets that disagree with El Presidente.

It may be true that the government spies on its citizens better than the commies do, but that's a function of technology and wealth, not of a more restrictive environment.

Dont have to, all the main media is owned by the same guys running the gvt.

EvilAvatar:
Why? It's not like we have any control on who gets voted into office...

I'm pretty sure we did not vote Bush into office in 2000. It would be nice if there was a choice between appeasing and double talk vs. picking fights we really have no business picking. Meh...

excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

I agree with you on that one. I loved being in Europe and seeing boobs in shampoo commercials, compared to the U.S. where they give huge fines for wardrobe malfunctions. One thing I never understood about my fellow countrymen is their fear of the human body.

TheOtherGuy: Doesn't that remind anyone of another place & time?

Buncha people not neccessarily loathsome in and of themselves, but supporting a vicious, expansionist, inhumane, bigoted, militaristic government feared and opposed by large portions of the civilized world?

Think hard.


The British Empire?

Unknown_Poltroon: Dont have to, all the main media is owned by the same guys running the gvt.

Yes, and they NEVER allow dissent on the airwaves.


Oh, wait...

The same people that voted Clinton in?

/hanging chad

The Laughing Kookaburra: Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

We will never forgive you for Celine Dion.

She may have been born in Canada, but Americans paid to keep her in Vegas for four years. I'll never understand it.

HA!

That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Try again!

The Laughing Kookaburra: Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

We will never forgive you for Celine Dion.

I wonder what the correlation is between "voted for Bush" and "likes Celine"?

To bad we can't go back in time and trade. I'd rather have her in the White House than GW.

entropic_existence: excedrin: still the best place in the world for scientific research

Depends on the type of research :) But yes, in general funding for research is the best in the US. There are some downsides though.

having to cover 70% of my salary with grant money is a major downside, makes those grant renewals tense times. Shouldn't complain too much, it's not like I'm being forced to do this!

/Damn NIH renewals should be every 8 years not every 4 :(

They hated us under Clinton too... they just have a more valid excuse with Chimpy McFlightsuit.

/the whole "I don't hate you, I hate your government" crap is more stupid than Freedom Fries.

I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

Know of any place more free? With more economic, social and political opportunities? Please go there.

/Canadian "Human Rights" Inquisitions? NOT OURS
//British Nanny State? NOT OURS
///Police powers in Europe that put US police to shame? NOT OURS
\\\Bill of Rights? OURS
\\France - "Guilty until PROVEN innocent? NOT OURS
\I could go on and on....

The Laughing Kookaburra: Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

We will never forgive you for Celine Dion.

We haven't forgiven ourselves either.

Having traveled for extended bits of time and drinking many pints with many different nationalities, the consensus seems to be that the best adjective to describe Americans is gregarious. We are sociable, friendly, and down-to-Earth. I've also found in conversation that the "loud" American stereotype doesn't hold water among a lot of people (while living abroad I've actually found that you can hear Germans coming a mile away). Meh, but overall I guess you find that people are people the world over and there's not really a country of 'bad' people anywhere in the world...except Elbonia.

mark12A: \\\Bill of Rights? OURS

that's part of the constitution, though, and therefore obsolete.

kittycore: The Laughing Kookaburra: Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

We will never forgive you for Celine Dion.

She may have been born in Canada, but Americans paid to keep her in Vegas for four years. I'll never understand it.


I forgave you for Celine Dion, considering you also sent us Pam Anderson. But could you send us a replacement unit? The one we have is getting somewhat ... "haggard"

Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

Didn't you guys do the same thing?

excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world for scientific research

For now. With the funding situation the way it now, that's already starting to change. China is making a big push to build up their universities and research infrastructure. Watch the Nobel Prizes. When they started moving from Europe to America, it was a sign that we had arrived. When they start moving from America to China, we'll know we've crossed the threshold.

The people who hate the US the most are the sort you don't want to be admired by.

We've been pretty much the same for the past 40 years. We haven't changed. The world has. And they had the luxury to do so in large part because the US was guarding them or giving them weapons.

Everyone hates the US till they need us.

It's not true that foreigners dislike Americans... it's just our government they can't stand



I read anti-American editorials each week that crap on US society (i.e., the people) in UK newspapers, and equally condescending French-to-English or German-to-English translations from their neighbors across the Channel. And these are just our allies.

But that's alright. There's plenty of friendly fire at home too. This is called being progressive for something....

Then we're all agreed then.

Staypuft_Mushmallow_Manz: excedrin: I dislike the "land of the free" slogan that is still perpetuated, when the US now has more restraints (wire taping, any stand that challenges the government is "un-American", etc) on it's populous than most communist countries.

/foreigner living in the US
//still the best place in the world for scientific research

Hyperbole. You has it.

Don't get me wrong, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional bullshiat, but we're not nationalizing or shutting down any and all media outlets that disagree with El Presidente.

It may be true that the government spies on its citizens better than the commies do, but that's a function of technology and wealth, not of a more restrictive environment.

Oh for sure I'm exaggerating, this is Fark after all ;)

Still wouldn't leave now, even if I had to put up with McCain and Palin for the next 4 years, I'd stay.

/People please vote for Obama!
//Please.

jee2102: Having traveled for extended bits of time and drinking many pints with many different nationalities, the consensus seems to be that the best adjective to describe Americans is gregarious. We are sociable, friendly, and down-to-Earth.

You forgot inappropriately dressed.

Here's a hint - even though you're (not necessarily you) on vacation, if you're going to visit a major church/temple/generic religious site which is still actively used for religious ceremonies, you may still want to put on a proper pair of pants and a decent shirt. No one (including the holy trinity, Buddha, Allah, or whoever else might be hanging around) wants to see you tromping around their place of worship in shorts, sandals, and a loud t-shirt or halter top advertising a beer company.

I've done a fair amount of traveling and have never received a single unfriendly comment from anyone when they find out I'm an American. People generally seem interested and one guy in France told us how lucky we were, and that he was trying to emigrate. I thought he was trying to get me to trust him so he could rob me or something.

What am I doing wrong?

I can totally understand the world's hatred of us. I went to Sweden a few years ago, and almost killed myself when a lady got pissed at a tour guide because she didn't see any vikings.

Say it ain't so, Joe!

/Note: People in Michigan and Indiana do NOT talk like this -- despite what idiot commentators will have you believe.

Mentat: Didn't you guys do the same thing?

Yeah, but we're kind of slow, eh?

The Laughing Kookaburra: Adman12: That's pretty much the view here in Canada, although we do kind of blame you for voting for those clowns.

We will never forgive you for Celine Dion.

Or Peter Jennings, William shiatner, Michael J. Fox, Jim Carrey, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad naseum...hell, half of farking Hollywood is canuck.