FTA: The whole debate was about Sarah Palin. She is not a person of thought

...and that right there, is why this independent voter is voting Obama.

We don't need another idiot president.

She killed. She had him at "Nice to meet you. Hey, can I call you Joe?" She was the star. He was the second male lead, the good-natured best friend of the leading man. She was not petrified but peppy.


Wait a minute... I know this writer from somewhere.



Oh my God! Peggy Noonan plagiarized Famous Person!

I do not understand how these people day in and day out can spout things they HAVE to know is complete garbage, but are still willing to do it every single day and smile at the same time.

I would shoot myself in the head if I had their job.

As an independant voter, I saw that as great and all, but it did not outshine her glaring fail.

Not this independent.

No way I'm voting for McCain.
No way I'm voting for Obama either.

"Nice to meet you. Hey, can I call you... uh....goshdarn, I never did learn what your first name is, Mr Putin."

Keep pushing the Big Lie.
Joseph Goebbels would be so proud.

Why is the right delusional?

If you are an Independent, I would HOPE that you are smart enough to realize that the only reason she asked "Can I call you Joe?" is to pull out the tired, old "Say it ain't so, Joe!" joke later in the "debate".

Very lame.

So Peggy Noonan is an independent?

/It's over.

Well, it's Peggy Noonan. She'd probably declare any debate in which Sarah Palin didn't poop herself onstage to be a win, at least until after the election.

Conservatives (and liberals, too) know how to close ranks when it's electin' time.

The best part of this? In a way, Noonan is partially correct -- Palin came off as friendly and personable for the most part.

Except that, for once, the public actually was looking for who was better qualified. Finally we're not looking for the person we want to have a beer with to run the country. This was evidenced by the reaction polls and is down right frikken encouraging that there is hope for the American people yet.

So now all the GOP is left with is "BUT ISNT SHE SOOOO CUTE?!?!?!"

- A Not-so-famouse Person

Noonan got caught on tape calling Palin's pick bullshiat and will have to suck a lot of neocon dick to get back in the inner circle.

...and then lost them in the debate.

Wow. She was so polite in a public event!

What a breath of fresh air from the normal status-quo of Washington elitist insiders!

Why can't Washington insiders realize that when they are on TV, they should behave in a polite manner?!

Her syntax did not hold, but her magnetism did. At one point she literally winked at the nation.

She literally winked at the nation. LITERALLY!

It seems that what this nation needs is a little more of this maverick spirit of doing stuff that people find attractive while on camera! Why can't Obama ever do stuff on camera or in public that people can connect with? Why is he instead so caught up in being a celebrity?

PALIN == REAGAN^2

alostpacket: - A Not-so-famouse Person

You spelled "famoose" wrong.

/It means 'female moose'

Sum Dum Gai: Well, it's Peggy Noonan. She'd probably declare any debate in which Sarah Palin didn't poop herself onstage to be a win, at least until after the election.

You really think so?

I'd expect the response to be more like

The highlight of the debate was when Sarah Barracuda decided to provide a visual illustration of the feces that Senator Biden has pumped through the Senate. To ensure that Biden didn't miss the reference, Palin was sure to serve it right at him by throwing her poop with a beautiful arc toward the befuddled Biden.

I can has NRO column?

andrewagill: So Peggy Noonan is an independent?



Peggy Noonan makes me sad. She's a smart woman, but she prints these dopey party-line articles all the time. No intelligent person can pretend Palin won that debate. You can argue she presented herself well (though I'd disagree), but by any rational standard of debating, she did nothing but jink her way to the end.

Have we really reached the point where "she is not a person of thought but of action" is a sound point of argument? Even after eight years of this crap, Republican supporters still don't cringe at the sound of those words?

Her true opinions come out when the cameras stop rolling, as they did when Palin was first announced. But she'll argue otherwise until the end. When stupid people make stupid arguments, it's just stupid. When smart people make stupid arguments, it's a brand of evil. Noonan is a shameful reporter.

So says a Murdoch paper.

'nuff said.

I saw an interesting comment on the Rachel Maddows show, ( i know partisan but still the comment was interesting). She basically said that because Palin's folksiness was so forced and fake, it didn't actually connect with anyone. She was trying waaay too hard to sound folksy. And what people hate more than stiff politicians, are ones that are obviously trying to play them with fake folksiness.

nrw: I do not understand how these people day in and day out can spout things they HAVE to know is complete garbage, but are still willing to do it every single day and smile at the same time.

Here is how it works...

If you are the member of a gang, mafia crime family, or any other organization that relies on complete obedience and the members are essentially co-dependent on each other, you must protect the family at all costs.

Basically, when someone in the group does something, the rational approach would be to evaluate their actions. But for a group that requires 100% loyalty, this does not occur. A member does some action, and each and every member changes their beliefs or rationale to justify it.

It is really a house of cards to them. Once one thing is fallible, all of it is, and their importance in the group, and the importance of the group itself relies on that never happening.

I believe these people have religious, and almost worship prone minds. When I say religious, I don't mean scripture or the bible or anything like that. I mean these people have the tendency to see something, and religiously oppose it, or religiously condone it. typically when "one of them" does something, they religiously condone it.

In this scenario we are talking about republicans. If John McCain or Sarah Palin says or does something, the energy of the group isn't spent analyzing the action, it gets spent justifying it... no matter how far fetched it may seem to people on the outside. This is the reason many Democrat campaigns fail... because their membership does not have blind allegiance for their leader.

I will make a bet... if there was a belief today that any republican felt was completely and utterly abhorrent they would naturally oppose it. But. If John McCain or Palin came out saying that belief was good, there would be no outrage. The party would essentially reform itself to fit that belief. As an example... if Sarah Palin came out today and said the holocaust was fake, 90% of the Republican party would agree and spend their energy proving that were true. If John McCain came out and said we should segregate blacks again, 90% of the party would believe it and justify it.

In short... republicans do not believe something until their party leader does.

/sorry for the long post

"SARAH" is Alaskan for "RONALD"

/And "Palin" means "Famous famoose"

alostpacket: I saw an interesting comment on the Rachel Maddows show, ( i know partisan but still the comment was interesting). She basically said that because Palin's folksiness was so forced and fake, it didn't actually connect with anyone. She was trying waaay too hard to sound folksy. And what people hate more than stiff politicians, are ones that are obviously trying to play them with fake folksiness.

We will see in 2 more days. I suspect her "fake" folksiness won't sound fake to the base to which she appeals.

I read the headline and assumed it referred to some polling data concerning independents. It doesn't. Just one dude's opinion. Subby fails with bullshiat headline. How big is the submitter fail? The word "independents" does not even appear in the article. Whoever greenlit this article is a doosh.

Sarah Palin. All lipstick, no pit bull.

andrewagill: Sum Dum Gai: Well, it's Peggy Noonan. She'd probably declare any debate in which Sarah Palin didn't poop herself onstage to be a win, at least until after the election.

You really think so?

I'd expect the response to be more like

The highlight of the debate was when Sarah Barracuda decided to provide a visual illustration of the feces that Senator Biden has pumped through the Senate. To ensure that Biden didn't miss the reference, Palin was sure to serve it right at him by throwing her poop with a beautiful arc toward the befuddled Biden.

I can has NRO column?

LOL!

oh god so funny but so sadly true too.

Peggy Noonan said it, so it's probably true?

Wait, she said it while she thought people were listening? Nevermind then.

Loucifer: Whoever greenlit this article is a doosh trying to keep it close.

To help the TV ratings. Like NFL refs at a blowout Monday Night game. In the third quarter, the bad team gets most of the calls.

Ignore that first question mark. It seems like every single time I check the "don't preview post" box, I make a stupid mistake.

alostpacket: I saw an interesting comment on the Rachel Maddows show, ( i know partisan but still the comment was interesting). She basically said that because Palin's folksiness was so forced and fake, it didn't actually connect with anyone. She was trying waaay too hard to sound folksy. And what people hate more than stiff politicians, are ones that are obviously trying to play them with fake folksiness.

This is rubbish.

Sarah Palin forced her charm just like she forced through every daring initiative of hers against the wishes of the partisan Alaska Legislature, like selling the Governor's plane on E-bay or divesting from Sudan.

That's just her personality. And people connect with it. Sure, at times it may be a little discomforting from a Washington elite point of view, but that's just how Soccer moms are.

Besides, forcing a connection with someone has always helped me pick up women at bars. Some people just don't want to have to work at finding you charming. You just have to go out there and make them find you charming. Sarah just sees the American average Joe-sixpack voter as potential bed partners sitting in a bar near closing time.

And that's a situation any American can connect with.

What is it with all of this folksy can I call you joe winking bullshiat anyway?

Politics isn't meant to be informal. It is meant to be formal and dignified.

slobarnuts: We will see in 2 more days. I suspect her "fake" folksiness won't sound fake to the base to which she appeals.

I don't expect the base to ever admit it sounded fake, no. But when a "base" consists of conservative shill columnists like Noonan, who already called Palin a stupid political bullshait pick, I seriously doubt she is actually energizing anyone other than the stupid, and those that lack the ability to discern obviously fake mannerisms from real ones.

Skleenar: alostpacket: I saw an interesting comment on the Rachel Maddows show, ( i know partisan but still the comment was interesting). She basically said that because Palin's folksiness was so forced and fake, it didn't actually connect with anyone. She was trying waaay too hard to sound folksy. And what people hate more than stiff politicians, are ones that are obviously trying to play them with fake folksiness.

This is rubbish.

Sarah Palin forced her charm just like she forced through every daring initiative of hers against the wishes of the partisan Alaska Legislature, like selling the Governor's plane on E-bay or divesting from Sudan.

That's just her personality. And people connect with it. Sure, at times it may be a little discomforting from a Washington elite point of view, but that's just how Soccer moms are.

Besides, forcing a connection with someone has always helped me pick up women at bars. Some people just don't want to have to work at finding you charming. You just have to go out there and make them find you charming. Sarah just sees the American average Joe-sixpack voter as potential bed partners sitting in a bar near closing time.

And that's a situation any American can connect with.

Oh man Skleenar LOL. It's too early for subtle sarcasm! Let me finish my coffee at least first.

Mr Logo: Politics isn't meant to be informal. It is meant to be formal and dignified.

What led you to that belief?

The Murdoch Street Journal? Just Fox News' newspaper version. They're now just a yellow journalism outlet.

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All part of the lip shtick

Coming from Rupert Murdoch's pet newspaper, this is hardly surprising.

If you can be persuaded to vote for someone because they said "Nice to meet you. Hey, can I call you Joe?" then you need to stay home on Nov. 4th and watch Ow! My balls!

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Not this independent.
No way I'm voting for McCain.
No way I'm voting for Obama either.

So you're throwing away your vote? That should help.

andrewagill: The highlight of the debate was when Sarah Barracuda decided to provide a visual illustration of the feces that Senator Biden has pumped through the Senate. To ensure that Biden didn't miss the reference, Palin was sure to serve it right at him by throwing her poop with a beautiful arc toward the befuddled Biden.

Positively inspired. Bravo.

Palin, Noonan... Republicans are such douche bags. That debate performance was bull crap. She had me wanting to biatch slap her at "can I call you Joe" and then using the "Say it ain't so Joe" line. All that fake down home folksy talk of hers is Hollywood style bull.
She is as phony as can be, and that wink proved she is a media whore too.

Get rid of these people please. America, the New-q-lar rube state.

Nathan Hale is regretting his line.

alostpacket: I don't expect the base to ever admit it sounded fake, no. But when a "base" consists of conservative shill columnists like Noonan, who already called Palin a stupid political bullshait pick, I seriously doubt she is actually energizing anyone other than the stupid, and those that lack the ability to discern obviously fake mannerisms from real ones.

Meh, there are alot of people in any state that want to hear certain things.

Then there are the desperate, They want to hear it so much that any vague reference to what they want to hear is solidified, and hardens their support for that candidate.

The isn't some mysterious illness that just afflicts illiterate trailer trash in the outskirts of Charleston.

slobarnuts: The phenomena isn't some mysterious illness that just afflicts illiterate trailer trash in the outskirts of Charleston.

Britney Spear's Speculum

Well, that image is going to haunt my dreams for, like, forever.

We must take happiness where we can. Tina Fey's Sarah Palin has become, in that old phrase, a national sensation, and Ms. Fey is becoming, with her show "30 Rock," and now the Palin impression, one of the great comic figures of her generation. Her work with Amy Poehler (as Katie Couric) in last weekend's spoof on "Saturday Night Live" was so astoundingly good-the hand gestures, the vocal tone and spirit-that it captured some of the actual heart of the Palin story. Ms. Poehler as Couric: "Mrs. Palin, are you aware that when cornered you become increasingly adorable?" Ms. Fey as Palin mugs, adorably.

To spoof someone well takes talent, but to utterly nail a political figure while not brutalizing him takes a real gift, and amounts almost to a public service. After all, to capture someone is a kind of tribute: it concedes he is real, vivid, worthy of note. We are not as a nation manufacturing trust all that well, or competence, or leadership. But some things we do well, and one is comedy. Ms. Fey plays characters who are sour, stressed and who, on "30 Rock," live in a world that is cynical, provisional and shallow. But to observe life so closely takes a kind of love.



What complete and utter shi'ite!!!! That article is like the ramblings of a senile relation that has swallowed a months worth of anti depressents in a few days.
It's absolute rubbish, even for a Murdoch rag opinion piece. There's so much spin there....grr I can't think of a comparison of anything that spins quite fast enough. A world champion top spinner? The earth? A really fast drill?

Kazuya: It's absolute rubbish, even for a Murdoch rag opinion piece.

No it isn't. They will make a ton from it.

bloobeary: FTA: The whole debate was about Sarah Palin. She is not a person of thought

...and that right there, is why this independent voter is voting Obama.


So you're voting for Obama because of what someone wrote. Wow.

slobarnuts: Kazuya: It's absolute rubbish, even for a Murdoch rag opinion piece.

No it isn't. They will make a ton from it.

As the faithful tender their tithe.