as oppiosed to mr. 100% truth, huh. Yeah, thought so.

oh i get it, because wildebeests are from africa? damn racistmitter...

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Yeah you sure converted me, subby.

SAY IT AIN'T SO, JOE!!

Lurking Fear: as oppiosed to mr. 100% truth, huh. Yeah, thought so.

So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

KaponoFor3: So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

That's right! It's the other way around, Lurking Fear! You got it backwards, and you know it, Libtard!

KaponoFor3: Lurking Fear: as oppiosed to mr. 100% truth, huh. Yeah, thought so.

So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out.

McCain has a long history of pushing to have social security moved to private investment accounts hyperbole is not the same as a blatant lie

Nah, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Even Obama admitted some BS gets out in his ads (MTV interview, of all places). Still, he doesn't claim to be mr. 100% truth.

I gnu you were going to say that.

I thinks it's cool that folks like Kapono hold Obama to a higher standard than McCain. It shows how low his expectations are for the Republicans. Frankly, everyone should do the same.

ToxicMunkee: KaponoFor3: Lurking Fear: as oppiosed to mr. 100% truth, huh. Yeah, thought so.

So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out.

And this is why politics in America has sunk to the low level where it is currently.

Mmmm, extra gravy on these biscuits. Just the way I like them.

But the big question is, is the diseased wildebeest wearing lipstick or not? And even more importantly, would you hit it?

Sold me! Now I'll definitely be voting for the angry 72-year-old recurring cancer patient and his lovely heir apparent, the snide condescending bubblehead.

It's not a straight-out lie, it's a deceptive ad from the school of half-truths and dubious juxtapositions and associations. It's not a lie that John McCain favored a plan that would "risk your social security money in the stock market." After all, some people would certainly exercise their choice and put their money in the market, where it would be at risk. It's not the entire truth, but it's not in and of itself a lie.

Similarly, it's not a lie to invite someone to imagine their money being tied into one of those specific failed institutions. It certainly invites an inference that the money could have been in those specific institutions, but it also just as reasonably an example of the kind of failures and losses that could happen to otherwise-available investments in the market.

That doesn't make them right, but let's save the "lie" label for actual lies.

Cockroaches can live for up to two weeks with their heads cut off.

hillbillypharmacist: That's right! It's the other way around, Lurking Fear! You got it backwards, and you know it, Libtard!
ToxicMunkee: If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out.

Um, where did anyone say that McCain is excused from doing it or shouldn't be condemned for doing it? You partisan asshats make me crazy. Totally willing to criticize the other guy, but unwilling to look at your own house's behavior.

Mordant: I thinks it's cool that folks like Kapono hold Obama to a higher standard than McCain. It shows how low his expectations are for the Republicans. Frankly, everyone should do the same.

Higher standard than McCain? Where are you getting that from? I hold them to equal standards.

kronicfeld: It's not a straight-out lie, it's a deceptive ad from the school of half-truths and dubious juxtapositions and associations.

Exactly...Its CHANGE we can believe in!

W Lied, People Died. Well, by omission and not clarifying and allowing one to misinterpret he "lied". But its okay when our guy does it!

I saw "diseased wildebeest" and I thought, "not another Sarah Palin thread".

KaponoFor3: Higher standard than McCain? Where are you getting that from? I hold them to equal standards.

That is bad new... for McCain.

He shouldn't do it and I hate it. But it has been proven that the Dems have played 'nice' the last couple elections - thinking they could win on facts and issues. It just doesn't work that way.

In theory, no one likes negative ads. But in practice, they work. No one likes it. That's just how it is.

Nabb1: And this is why politics in America has sunk to the low level where it is currently.

But you're still voting for the worse offender, right?

Okay, let's have a joint news conference.

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. In reality, tax payers making less that $250,000 per year would see no tax increase."

Shake hands. End of conference.

Until then...

Sounds like both sides are playing the "WE'RE ALL GOING TO farkING DIE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BROKE! OMGWTF!!!!!" card. McCain's better at it though.

KaponoFor3: Higher standard than McCain? Where are you getting that from? I hold them to equal standards.

Sorry, I didn't mean to downplay all of the countless times you've admonished conservatives or the scathing posts you've made against so many Republicans. I guess I just notice the anti-lib comments more because I'm so incredibly partisan.

Lando Lincoln: Okay, let's have a joint news conference.

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. In reality, tax payers making less that $250,000 per year would see no tax increase."

Shake hands. End of conference.

Until then...

I would have gone with:

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. Only people with income have to worry about income taxes. Under Obama's new business taxes this will not be a problem for a growing number of you"

Mordant: Sorry, I didn't mean to downplay all of the countless times you've admonished conservatives or the scathing posts you've made against so many Republicans. I guess I just notice the anti-lib comments more because I'm so incredibly partisan.

Probably, just like I have missed all the endless times you take those Democrats to task.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lando Lincoln: Okay, let's have a joint news conference.

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. In reality, tax payers making less that $250,000 per year would see no tax increase."

Shake hands. End of conference.

Until then...

I would have gone with:

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. Only people with income have to worry about income taxes. Under Obama's new business taxes this will not be a problem for a growing number of you"

Well said.

At this point, why do they still talk? It's all crap and hatemongering anyway. I say all campaigns should be settled by a series of physical face-offs. Slingshot match, paintball, log rolling, roo boxing, and for the Presidential election, they put on those big, puffy sumo suits and have it out. Winner take all. This shiat is tiresome.

KaponoFor3: Probably, just like I have missed all the endless times you take those Democrats to task.

No, you haven't missed those at all. I don't claim they exist.

I consider Democrats to be a case of Herpes these days whereas I see Republicans as some sort of mutated cross between AIDS, Leprosy, and Syphilis.

I may be way off base about that, but I don't deny it.

I hope to look into the Herpes problem when the other issue isn't bothering me so much.

Once again, I apologize if all my claims of being an independent misled you. I wasn't aware that I had made them.

gustakooka: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lando Lincoln: Okay, let's have a joint news conference.

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. In reality, tax payers making less that $250,000 per year would see no tax increase."

Shake hands. End of conference.

Until then...

I would have gone with:

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. Only people with income have to worry about income taxes. Under Obama's new business taxes this will not be a problem for a growing number of you"

I too, am a moron.

You guys are rubes. Small business that keep jobs in America will get tax credits.

Mordant: I consider Democrats to be a case of Herpes these days whereas I see Republicans as some sort of mutated cross between AIDS, Leprosy, and Syphilis.

McPanic throws Epilepsy, Spastic Colon and Cranky Old Manitis into the mix, while I just want Palin to wear a helmet and not hurt herself.

disclosure: I regularly vote for a Republican JP that I know.

Mordant: I consider Democrats to be a case of Herpes these days whereas I see Republicans as some sort of mutated cross between AIDS, Leprosy, and Syphilis.

And all this time I thought you just had some sand in there. That explains it.

KaponoFor3: So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

Yeah, I can't get on board with that either. A lie is a lie.

In fairness, pretty much everything coming from the McCain camp these days is a lie or a smear, so if Obama's wrong in advocating this, it is true that McCain is worse.

Solid State Vittles: KaponoFor3: So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

Yeah, I can't get on board with that either. A lie is a lie.

What if it's terminological inexactitude?

Snarfangel: What if it's terminological inexactitude?

Those are perfectly acceptable.

Mordant: Once again, I apologize if all my claims of being an independent misled you. I wasn't aware that I had made them.

You suck at being an independent.

There are more than enough examples in this thread for you to follow!

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I would have gone with:

Yeah, I know you would have. Because you are an ass.

Much like a diseased wildebeest that can't stop walking in circles guy who's going to win the election, Obama won't stop lying about McCain winning the election.

FTFY.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I would have gone with:

Obama: "I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that John McCain would risk your social security benefits on the stock market. That was disingenuous. In reality, putting your social security money on the stock market would have been voluntary, not mandatory."

McCain: "And I apologize for saying on a number of occasions that Barack Obama would raise your taxes. That also was disingenuous. Only people with income have to worry about income taxes. Under Obama's new business taxes this will not be a problem for a growing number of you"

I see what you did there.

Much like a diseased wildebeest that can't stop walking in circles, Submittard won't stop abusing the queue

Nabb1: ToxicMunkee: KaponoFor3: Lurking Fear: as oppiosed to mr. 100% truth, huh. Yeah, thought so.

So because McCain lies, that makes it OK for Obama to do it. Interesting.

If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out.

And this is why politics in America has sunk to the low level where it is currently.

As opposed to any other time in history where politicians never distorted the positions of their opponents.

What is this factcheck.org? I'm reading an article that confirms what the stupid ad says.

Except with the cravats of voluntary and not directly.

It still holds water. And it's still a stupid god damn plan.

Subby, whining about Obama lying when you support McCain is like drowning in the middle of the Atlantic and complaining that there is too much water in the creek behind your momma's house.

wow this thread sure got nasty in ahurry

Why does Obama wanna teach kindergarteners how to have sex? Is that so they can be young prostitutes, earning taxable wages, which Obama can then tax because he's going to raise everyone's taxes by 400%?

Bill Frist: Subby, whining about Obama lying when you support McCain is like drowning in the middle of the Atlantic and complaining that there is too much water in the creek behind your momma's house.

Or like McCain complaining about earmark spending.

Lurking Fear: as oppiosed to mr. 100% truth, huh. Yeah, thought so.

Deflection from the issue in the Boobies? Good jorb.

I like FactCheck.org a lot usually, but I find this dubious.

Look at the sources they picked for their fact-checking:

The White House, "Strengthening Social Security for the 21st Century," Feb. 2005.

"Fact Sheet: Strengthening Social Security For Those In Need," White House Fact Sheet, 28 April 2005.

Press Conference of the President, White House Transcript, 28 April 2005.

White House Office of the Press Secretary, "Background Press Briefing on Social Security," press release, 2 Feb 2005.

Why not use this guy?