Interesting analysis.

Doesn't TNR lean hard right? If so, that's doubly damning.

Sgygus: Interesting analysis.

Agreed.

I think they have been trying to squeeze too much into her head at once and she may have information overload going on. it is worse than any test you've crammed for. you're expected not only to know the info but correct pronunciations,a history of events surrounding the facts,names,dates,timelines etc.etc.etc.

Now here's the intriguing part. Did they try any new methods of speed memorization? any crazy techniques that might actually have hurt her? Because it seemed to me that she was spouting out disassociated and incomplete talking points like a Pez dispenser.

I also think that she has a problem talking to women. Especially strong,educated and well traveled women. She wanted to be a big newscaster. Couric must have been an icon for her growing up.
Was she intimidated?

Hobodeluxe: She wanted to be a big newscaster. Couric must have been an icon for her growing up.
Was she intimidated?

In that case, I'd like to see Christine Amanpour interview Palin on foreign policy.

I don't know whether that's what's happened to Sarah Palin. But from where I sit, it sure looks like it

Or maybe, just maybe, she's just a former beauty queen and TV talking head with very little going on upstairs.

You can learn too much and have it be a problem. I remember one time I took a home wine making course and forgot how to drive.

That's because unlike McCain2000, McCain2008's spine was too weak to stand up to the Republican fundy-panderers.

Sgygus: Interesting analysis.

Indeed. Will she be able to pull it back together?

We saw something like this with Mark Latham (new window) in Australia. He was on top of his game, in charge of the party and then couldn't take it. He resigned citing health problems.

I suspect that Palin is a place holder. She may have already agreed to step aside or maybe the powers that be knew this might happen. With the way that the President and VP election actual works, your not voting for McCain/Palin but your voting for a Republican to vote for them in December. That means the Republicans don't even need to have a VP candidate at any time before the Electoral College votes.

With the way this circus seems to be going, I suspect the best option the Republicans have to win this is to have Palin pull out days before the election and them to Nominate someone like Colin Powell as VP.

So Sarah Palin is the Isaiah Thomas of politics?

DON.MAC: We saw something like this with Mark Latham (new window) in Australia. He was on top of his game, in charge of the party and then couldn't take it. He resigned citing health problems.

I suspect that Palin is a place holder. She may have already agreed to step aside or maybe the powers that be knew this might happen. With the way that the President and VP election actual works, your not voting for McCain/Palin but your voting for a Republican to vote for them in December. That means the Republicans don't even need to have a VP candidate at any time before the Electoral College votes.

With the way this circus seems to be going, I suspect the best option the Republicans have to win this is to have Palin pull out days before the election and them to Nominate someone like Colin Powell as VP.

That presents a real problem though. I know that many of the outspoken "conservatives" on Fark were assuring us that it was Palin that "energized" them about this Republican ticket. If she gets replaced they'd have to change their story mid-stream and what are the odds they could do that ?

DON.MAC: ...I suspect that Palin is a place holder. She may have already agreed to step aside or maybe the powers that be knew this might happen...the best option the Republicans have to win this is to have Palin pull out days before the election and them to Nominate someone like Colin Powell as VP.


Err, no. Clearly there was a crucial vacuum of brain-power that brought on this lovely Palin dehacle because, now hear this...

MCCAIN IS AIRTIGHT SCREWED

Voters, even rightwingers, especially independents are suspicious and fed up as hell and already breaking out in a rash at John Sydney McFlapjacks McFlipflop McFlake. Palin is a self-destruct timebomb that blows no matter which way he moves. In or out, barring epic weirdness, it's over.



/hooray!

Hobodeluxe: I think they have been trying to squeeze too much into her head at once and she may have information overload going on

One would hope that the VP choice by a 70odd year old candidate would already have the wherewithal to assume the presidential duties and not need any 'cramming' or 'squeezing'. It's pretty much what a VP does for a living.

DON.MAC: We saw something like this with Mark Latham (new window) in Australia. He was on top of his game, in charge of the party and then couldn't take it. He resigned citing health problems.

I suspect that Palin is a place holder. She may have already agreed to step aside or maybe the powers that be knew this might happen. With the way that the President and VP election actual works, your not voting for McCain/Palin but your voting for a Republican to vote for them in December. That means the Republicans don't even need to have a VP candidate at any time before the Electoral College votes.

With the way this circus seems to be going, I suspect the best option the Republicans have to win this is to have Palin pull out days before the election and them to Nominate someone like Colin Powell as VP.

The problem is there's no one who can really step in who would be able to quell fears. If there was such an exceptional candidate out there who could actually be worth the chaos of changing the VP, he would have chosen that person out of the gate.

Who the hell could he choose? I think he should have taken Pawlenty or Thompson, but neither of them are good replacement candidates.

DON.MAC: With the way this circus seems to be going, I suspect the best option the Republicans have to win this is to have Palin pull out days before the election and them to Nominate someone like Colin Powell as VP

Interesting. Very.

I would hope that Powell's disgust with all of the Bush administration's shenanigans and the presidency in general will keep him from getting mixed up in a stunt like this.

If not, what little respect I have left for the Republican party will evaporate forever.

\Liberal
\\Likes Powell

when a talented athlete--which, conveniently enough, Palin was--gets a taste of heavy duty coaching and, rather than being built up, is broken down, losing confidence in his game, becoming tentative, second-guessing himself even to the point of paralysis

Palin is the Vince Young of politics?

ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: Err, no. Clearly there was a crucial vacuum of brain-power that brought on this lovely Palin dehacle because, now hear this...MCCAIN IS AIRTIGHT SCREWED

When has that been a problem in politics?

DamnYankees: Who the hell could he choose? I think he should have taken Pawlenty or Thompson, but neither of them are good replacement candidates.

Would any sane qualified person take the job knowing what they have to go through? That is part of the problem in getting anyone decent to even run. Picking someone at the last minute would fix that.

DON.MAC: With the way this circus seems to be going, I suspect the best option the Republicans have to win this is to have Palin pull out days before the election and them to Nominate someone like Colin Powell as VP.


Except Powell backs Obama.

I don't see them replacing Palin at this point. Not that the Teps haven;t considered it; it will further buttress the perception voters have of McCain as being indecisive, a flip-flopper.

Thats "Reps" not "Teps". Sorry.

The failin from palin causes everyone to bailin. Say it again Eliza, I mean Sarah.

Yet, most Republicans will still put Party before Country. It's just farking sad.

The headline begs the question: Was Sarah Palin ever NOT broken?

Either way, between what TFA said and her now pumping out kid's with down syndrome, I think now would be a good time to fix Sarah Palin.

What about us Teps?

FredaDeStilleto: I don't see them replacing Palin at this point...

yah, & like who would want to? What possible benefit could there be hopping on the Hindenburg in mid-fireball?

I say we call this one and go home.

ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

Given all her experience dealing with Russians, I would expect she'd be more than capable of anyone telling her, "I must break you."

TheOther: ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

Sure, but he'll want to legally change to "Loserman" first.

ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: FredaDeStilleto: I don't see them replacing Palin at this point...

yah, & like who would want to? What possible benefit could there be hopping on the Hindenburg in mid-fireball?

I say we call this one and go home.

They could still win? If the Teps get too far behind in the poles, then the Dems may not show up to vote. What would the outcome in NY or PA or MI be if a major winter storm hit and the Dems were up 15% nationwide? Weather has shifted states votes in the past.

TheOther: ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

I'm not sure if you're serious, but no matter how poorly she performas in interviews, the debate, etc. if you replaced her with Leiberman means a landslide...for Obama.

DON.MAC: What would the outcome in NY or PA or MI be if a major winter storm hit and the Dems were up 15% nationwide?

We'd vote anyway. Blizzards do not frighten us.

fenrael23: Yet, most Republicans will still put Party before Country. It's just farking sad.

And some people will cheer them on as heroes for doing that.

That's even sadder.

The only thing that concerns me at this point is Republican cheating at the polls. From broken voting machines in Democratic precincts, to war dialing campaign hq's to make sure they can't call out on election day, to sending out faked city notices that if you show up at the polls you'll be under arrest, Republicans have proven in the last two presidential elections that their tactics can change results in closely fought battleground states.

I just hope Obama's people are ready and capable of outwitting this stuff. Democrats have this way of assuming once they have made the better argument for government, the elections over. Republicans on the other hand see this as a fight to be won by any means neccessary.

BTW, my grandfather did this for the Democrats. Chicago Ward Committeeman, during the 1960 election. He and his people were up all night punching ballots.

Read any history on 2004 New Mexico, Ohio, or 2000 Florida is well known. The cheating has decided the last 2 presidential races. I really hope it doesn't decide the next, the country can't handle having the lesser man win because his people are better at winning.

: If the Teps get too far behind in the poles, then the Dems may not show up to vote.

When the primaries were held in PA, the local Obama staff called voters and asked if they needed a ride to the polling stations.

The Obama campaign has been consistent in telling people to get out and vote. Even if the numbers indicated a landslide for Obama, they wouldn't back-off from that message.

Either way, people are polarized. Palin's staying on the ticket may mean a loss of potential undecideds but taking her off would create a loss of votes from hard-core McCain supporters. Especially the one's who pushed for Palin - the social conservatives.

DON.MAC: They could still win? If the Teps get too far behind in the poles, then the Dems may not show up to vote. What would the outcome in NY or PA or MI be if a major winter storm hit and the Dems were up 15% nationwide? Weather has shifted states votes in the past.

It boggles my mind that anyone in a state with early voting waits for election day to vote.

TheOther: ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

I'm not sure if you're serious, but no matter how poorly she performas in interviews, the debate, etc. if you replaced her with Leiberman means a landslide...for Obama.

The question was who would want the position. Of the national names, Lieberman has the least to lose. Unless the Dems get to 59 or 60 seats and need him to make the Senate 'filibuster proof', he's going to lose his Homeland Security chairmanship. If he's going to be roadkill anyway...

Lieberman puts the 'experience' card back in McCain's hand. He also gets bipartisanship points - largely bogus since Lieberman actually doesn't have a party and is basically a Tep except in name. He was McCain's own first choice - letting McCain claim he's broken free from his Tep handlers and, relying on his own maverick judgement, is back on course. So there are a few rationales for voters that want to hear them.

It's a long shot, but McCain farked up his VP selection and everything is a long shot for him at this point.

Sequestard.

SherKhan: Sequestard

heh

TheOther: TheOther: ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

I'm not sure if you're serious, but no matter how poorly she performas in interviews, the debate, etc. if you replaced her with Leiberman means a landslide...for Obama.

The question was who would want the position. Of the national names, Lieberman has the least to lose. Unless the Dems get to 59 or 60 seats and need him to make the Senate 'filibuster proof', he's going to lose his Homeland Security chairmanship. If he's going to be roadkill anyway...

Lieberman puts the 'experience' card back in McCain's hand. He also gets bipartisanship points - largely bogus since Lieberman actually doesn't have a party and is basically a Tep except in name. He was McCain's own first choice - letting McCain claim he's broken free from his Tep handlers and, relying on his own maverick judgement, is back on course. So there are a few rationales for voters that want to hear them.

It's a long shot, but McCain farked up his VP selection and everything is a long shot for him at this point.

I think Giuliani would also take it. What other future does he really have?

DamnYankees: TheOther: TheOther: ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

I'm not sure if you're serious, but no matter how poorly she performas in interviews, the debate, etc. if you replaced her with Leiberman means a landslide...for Obama.

The question was who would want the position. Of the national names, Lieberman has the least to lose. Unless the Dems get to 59 or 60 seats and need him to make the Senate 'filibuster proof', he's going to lose his Homeland Security chairmanship. If he's going to be roadkill anyway...

Lieberman puts the 'experience' card back in McCain's hand. He also gets bipartisanship points - largely bogus since Lieberman actually doesn't have a party and is basically a Tep except in name. He was McCain's own first choice - letting McCain claim he's broken free from his Tep handlers and, relying on his own maverick judgement, is back on course. So there are a few rationales for voters that want to hear them.

It's a long shot, but McCain farked up his VP selection and everything is a long shot for him at this point.

I think Giuliani would also take it. What other future does he really have?

If it was possible, Hilary would try to take it.

TheOther: TheOther: ostcoiloveyouwelcometoc: yah, & like who would want to?

Joe Lieberman

I'm not sure if you're serious, but no matter how poorly she performas in interviews, the debate, etc. if you replaced her with Leiberman means a landslide...for Obama.

The question was who would want the position. Of the national names, Lieberman has the least to lose. Unless the Dems get to 59 or 60 seats and need him to make the Senate 'filibuster proof', he's going to lose his Homeland Security chairmanship. If he's going to be roadkill anyway...

Lieberman puts the 'experience' card back in McCain's hand. He also gets bipartisanship points - largely bogus since Lieberman actually doesn't have a party and is basically a Tep except in name. He was McCain's own first choice - letting McCain claim he's broken free from his Tep handlers and, relying on his own maverick judgement, is back on course. So there are a few rationales for voters that want to hear them.

It's a long shot, but McCain farked up his VP selection and everything is a long shot for him at this point.

Yeah, sorry about that. You were answering who would want it, not who would be a good idea. Sorry bout that.

SherKhan: Sequestard.

Win!

drevil877: You were answering who would want it, not who would be a good idea.

As Douglas Adams said "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

It'd be pretty funny to see the reaction of the republicans who have forced themselves to act like Palin was a good choice like Ellen Degeneres giving a blowjob, if Palin was replaced and McCain said, "my bad". It would also be the nail in his coffin.

Mugato: if Palin was replaced and McCain said, "my bad". It would also be the nail in his coffin.

Exactly. He can't afford to do that. The only way he can throw Palin under the bus is to do so literally.

Mugato: It'd be pretty funny to see the reaction of the republicans who have forced themselves to act like Palin was a good choice

I'm fairly confident that they can put a lie behind them and start over with fresh new lies if the situation calls for it. If they had even the slightest shred of dignity or integrity it would be hard, but fortunately that won't be a problem.

I wouldn't put past the Republicans to pull a(nother) stunt like this. I mean after all, they're made up of people like the 30 percent of the population that still support Bush.

Mordant: Mugato: It'd be pretty funny to see the reaction of the republicans who have forced themselves to act like Palin was a good choice

I'm fairly confident that they can put a lie behind them and start over with fresh new lies if the situation calls for it. If they had even the slightest shred of dignity or integrity it would be hard, but fortunately that won't be a problem.

Here's what could happen - Palin pulls out due to something with Bristol or with Trig, and then if anyone attacks McCain or Palin for it, they will play the sexism card, saying they are picking on a woman for being a mom. You know it'll happen.

NeverDrunk23: fenrael23: Yet, most Republicans will still put Party before Country. It's just farking sad.

And some people will cheer them on as heroes for doing that.

That's even sadder.

As much as I want Obama/Biden to win, there is a sick side of me that want's to see just how much lower we can officially go as a nation by electing this farce called McCain/Palin.

/no, not really
//I feel dirty for even thinking of that post.