and yet the local news here WDEF tv 12 chatt on it's 6pm newscast reported that he was still suspending his campaign showing a video of him in his senate office on the phone.

To be fair, it's only been around half his life.

I gotta be honest.

This just keeps getting better.

RadioAaron: I gotta be honest.

This just keeps getting better.

The worst part was my father trying to defend McCain's actions this past week.

The phones work better when you are closer to the other end. It's all about the fungible molecules in the tubes, donchaknow.

This continues the same drum old man shouting at a cloud is beating..

He is an attention whore with no substance, a headline grabber with no real story to tell behind it. And his campaign is a reflection of this old man shouting at a cloud ...disfunctional, disoriented at times, without a clue most of the time, and clearly unaware or unconcerned with the aftermath of his actions. As one of his fellow republicans said, I would be very afraid of this man so close to the red phone....

POW. wow.

When it gets to the point that even longtime Republican talking heads are just kinda baffled when they have to explain this stuff ... that's when you know something is wrong.

I am enjoying this immmensely. You go, Mavrick!

That was before Obama broke it off in his ass.

RedEyedWings: When it gets to the point that even longtime Republican talking heads are just kinda baffled when they have to explain this stuff ... that's when you know something is wrong.

I think it's starting to sink in over at Fox news that their boy is gonna lose and lose big.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that McCain is farking up on purpose. that he can't be this stupid, arrogant and unaware. But i'm just not sure anymore....he really might not understand what the rest of the country is saying about him.

Weaver95: The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that McCain is farking up on purpose.

8 years is a long time. People can change in 8 years. I honestly think that he really just decayed that much in the intervening time. He went from the seemingly principled politician in 2000 over to the say-anything-wingnut in 2008.

This really doesn't look good for him. Obama is going to win this election through no fault of his own.

Weaver95: RedEyedWings: When it gets to the point that even longtime Republican talking heads are just kinda baffled when they have to explain this stuff ... that's when you know something is wrong.

I think it's starting to sink in over at Fox news that their boy is gonna lose and lose big.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that McCain is farking up on purpose. that he can't be this stupid, arrogant and unaware. But i'm just not sure anymore....he really might not understand what the rest of the country is saying about him.

I've thought about that too, actually. It's gonna be a very tough four years for whomever is president. Maybe the Republicans figure that if they let the man who is promising to make it all better fail to turn the USA into a paradise, then they'll be able to scoop up the pieces and dine out on the disappointment for years to come.

I don't think it's that likely, if only because McCain seems like he really desperately wants to win. But it is interesting to think about.

And it's so much fun to watch the implosion, regardless.

RedEyedWings: Maybe the Republicans figure that if they let the man who is promising to make it all better fail to turn the USA into a paradise, then they'll be able to scoop up the pieces and dine out on the disappointment for years to come.

I've been thinking they were going to do this for a couple of years now. Nobody in their right minds wants to deal with the fallout that's coming in the next few years.

t3knomanser: Weaver95: The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that McCain is farking up on purpose.

8 years is a long time. People can change in 8 years. I honestly think that he really just decayed that much in the intervening time. He went from the seemingly principled politician in 2000 over to the say-anything-wingnut in 2008.

This really doesn't look good for him. Obama is going to win this election through no fault of his own.

I've said it before - so long as the Dems didn't give the nomination to Hillary, the ONLY thing that the Democratic candidate had to so was not get caught snorting a line of coke off a dead hooker and they'd win the election.

Weaver95: I've said it before - so long as the Dems didn't give the nomination to Hillary, the ONLY thing that the Democratic candidate had to so was not get caught snorting a line of coke off a dead hooker and they'd win the election.

I think even that would pass so long as it wasn't with a gay male hooker.

RedEyedWings: Weaver95: RedEyedWings: When it gets to the point that even longtime Republican talking heads are just kinda baffled when they have to explain this stuff ... that's when you know something is wrong.

I think it's starting to sink in over at Fox news that their boy is gonna lose and lose big.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that McCain is farking up on purpose. that he can't be this stupid, arrogant and unaware. But i'm just not sure anymore....he really might not understand what the rest of the country is saying about him.

I've thought about that too, actually. It's gonna be a very tough four years for whomever is president. Maybe the Republicans figure that if they let the man who is promising to make it all better fail to turn the USA into a paradise, then they'll be able to scoop up the pieces and dine out on the disappointment for years to come.

I don't think it's that likely, if only because McCain seems like he really desperately wants to win. But it is interesting to think about.

And it's so much fun to watch the implosion, regardless.

FDR was a single termer.

wow. technology.

McCain is in no rush to get back to Capitol Hill to work on the bailout plan, says he can conduct all his business using something called a "telephone". He was apparently unaware of this wonderful invention two days ago



"I'd like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?"

SchlingFocker: Weaver95: I've said it before - so long as the Dems didn't give the nomination to Hillary, the ONLY thing that the Democratic candidate had to so was not get caught snorting a line of coke off a dead hooker and they'd win the election.

I think even that would pass so long as it wasn't with a gay male hooker.

The Republicans would take him as one of their own.

t3knomanser: 8 years is a long time. People can change in 8 years. I honestly think that he really just decayed that much in the intervening time. He went from the seemingly principled politician in 2000 over to the say-anything-wingnut in 2008.

Like many people, I rather liked the 2000 McCain. I don't know if I'd vote for '00 McCain now as my own views have changed rather drastically since then, so I can't say for sure. But I could at least respect him. The '08 McCain on the other hand...

RedEyedWings: I don't think it's that likely, if only because McCain seems like he really desperately wants to win. But it is interesting to think about.

Sure McCain genuinely wants to win. But does everyone "helping" him want him to? hmmm...
/tin foil hat... ON!

FTFA: By 5 p.m., McCain aides had released a list of people they said Mr. McCain had called from his campaign headquarters on Saturday. Among them were:

President Bush; Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson; Fed chairman Ben S. Bernanke; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader; Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire; Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona; Representative John A. Boehner of Kentucky, the House Republican leader; and Representative Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri and the House whip. and The Wolf.

I think he's going to telegraph his plan to a type setter, who will put it in a pneumatic tube and have the responses delivered by zeppelin the next day.

Tabatha Static:

"I'd like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?"

I laughed... thanks...

I'm watching the debate recorded now...

Weaver95: I've said it before - so long as the Dems didn't give the nomination to Hillary, the ONLY thing that the Democratic candidate had to sdo was not get caught snorting a line of coke off a dead hooker and they'd win the election.


Vouch. I remember Weaver95 saying this, because I lol'd even harder then.

/it's funny 'cause it's true.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Among them were:

President Bush; Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson; Fed chairman Ben S. Bernanke; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader; Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire; Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona; Representative John A. Boehner of Kentucky, the House Republican leader; and Representative Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri and the House whip. and The Wolf.

You're sending The Wolf? Sheee-iat, negro, that's all you had to say!

/here's hoping the filter doesn't change that quote

gundamtsubasa: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Among them were:

President Bush; Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson; Fed chairman Ben S. Bernanke; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader; Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire; Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona; Representative John A. Boehner of Kentucky, the House Republican leader; and Representative Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri and the House whip. and The Wolf.

You're sending The Wolf? Sheee-iat, negro, that's all you had to say!

/here's hoping the filter doesn't change that quote



Damn....beat me to it!

Benevolent Misanthrope: Vouch. I remember Weaver95 saying this, because I lol'd even harder then.

/it's funny 'cause it's true.

seriously - this election isn't about the Democrats at all. This is about the Republicans. will the rank and file continue to put up with the lies of the people who claim leadership within the Republican party or will they reject the ideology of those people and find something different to believe in? THAT will determine the election. Obama is almost an afterthought.

Weaver95: seriously - this election isn't about the Democrats at all. This is about the Republicans. will the rank and file continue to put up with the lies of the people who claim leadership within the Republican party or will they reject the ideology of those people and find something different to believe in? THAT will determine the election. Obama is almost an afterthought.

Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

I'm still looking forward to seeing how President Obama is going to perform, as that might be a decently large factor in whether the republic stays solvent enough for political parties in the first place.

RedEyedWings: I've thought about that too, actually. It's gonna be a very tough four years for whomever is president. Maybe the Republicans figure that if they let the man who is promising to make it all better fail to turn the USA into a paradise, then they'll be able to scoop up the pieces and dine out on the disappointment for years to come.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is the case. If there's one thing the Republican party has always been consistent towards, it's hanging their own out to dry if it's politically expedient to do so. They'll gladly (albeit secretly) let the Dems have their fun in November if it means Obama inherits this trainwreck, knowing that only one of two possible outcomes can come of it. Either Obama makes it all better (in which case he might as well BE the messiah), or Obama makes it all worse. They're banking on the latter. It's more politically expedient for them to paint the Dems as do-nothing politicians (for a greater gain down the road for themselves at least) than it is for a new Republican administration to inherit this mess and try to fix what they screwed up in the first place.

In any case, the Republicans had two consecutive Presidential terms and six years in control of two-thirds of the federal government, and look where we're at. Maintaining their grip on power may not necessarily be in their long-term interests.

Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

pyrion: Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

Weaver95: pyrion: Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

TheConvincingSavant: Weaver95: pyrion: Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

Yes, democrats like Bush and the senate minority.

Weaver95: If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

TheConvincingSavant: Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

Welcome to why we had eight years of Bush. While he's neither convincing, nor a savant, I've had to listen to this asshat crow for too long.

LOL
Its like McCain is a kid who was caught not doing his homework and they feel the need to prove he's actually working on it now.

FTFA
By 5 p.m., McCain aides had released a list of people they said Mr. McCain had called from his campaign headquarters on Saturday. Among them were:

President Bush; Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson; Fed chairman Ben S. Bernanke; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader; Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire; Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona; Representative John A. Boehner of Kentucky, the House Republican leader; and Representative Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri and the House whip.

Gee I wonder who Obama talked to today.

TheConvincingSavant: Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

Now, I believe we're finally getting to the Core of your issues.

Weaver95: pyrion: Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

They damn well should. All that time as previously mentioned and nothing to show for it. The Democrats can, at very least, claim that they haven't been able to "fix things" since Bush has still been in power, but if they take the Presidency and retain Congress, the onus is on them. That's why I think the Republicans are banking on this, expecting the Democrats to "fall back to their old ways" and either make everything worse (ensuring they take back control in the next election cycle, if the Democrats are that stupid), or make everything better at a high cost to the taxpayer, who will be shortsighted enough to want to vote for someone promising lower taxes.

TheConvincingSavant: Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

In case you missed it - BUSH is the one pushing to nationalize our economy. The Democrats actually balked at the idea, as did a few (far too few) Republicans.

MorrisBird: While he's neither convincing, nor a savant

I've had him farkied as "neither, nor" for a long time.

Weaver95: TheConvincingSavant: Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

In case you missed it - BUSH is the one pushing to nationalize our economy. The Democrats actually balked at the idea, as did a few (far too few) Republicans.

Err, not quite. The democrats just had some further stipulations on how it was managed, and wanted some concessions for mortgage holders.

TheConvincingSavant: Weaver95: pyrion: Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

Hey, genius: it was your boys, George Bush's administration, that wanted to nationalize Wall Street, not the Dems.

But I wouldn't expect you to be sufficiently intelligent, well-informed, or sane to have picked up on that yet.

I_Love_Verdi: Weaver95: TheConvincingSavant: Not if they don't vote for it. If the Democrats want to nationalize our economy, there is not much Republicans can do now to stop it.

In case you missed it - BUSH is the one pushing to nationalize our economy. The Democrats actually balked at the idea, as did a few (far too few) Republicans.

Err, not quite. The democrats just had some further stipulations on how it was managed, and wanted some concessions for mortgage holders.

I like the spin but I don't think it will get any traction. This is a guaranteed a win win for the dems. I will explain.

The economy is farked no matter what happens. It is really going to suck really bad or suck really really bad. A watered down rescue plan will probably not help nor is it going to hurt.

So when things get worse (which they will), the Republicans still own it. The dems can claim they tried to fix it but they had to water down the bail out plan because of the house republicans.

On the off chance that things start to slightly improve at some point it will probaly time out very well to when Obama has been president for awhile. He can give credit to the democratic rescue plan; cancel the socialist elements (recommended by Bush) and raise taxes to repair the damage of the Bush administration.

There is really not a losing scenario for the dems (politically).

Weaver95: I think it's starting to sink in over at Fox news that their boy is gonna lose and lose big.

Argh, quit saying that! It's like you're going to jinx a no hitter or something...

If I may:

This was one of the dumbest political moves I have seen in a long time*

*excludes any move by anyone in the Bush administration to be fair

I use the harry potter method

By 5 p.m., McCain aides had released a list of people they said Mr. McCain had called from his campaign headquarters on Saturday. Among them were:

President Bush; Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson; Fed chairman Ben S. Bernanke; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader; Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire; Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona; Representative John A. Boehner of Kentucky, the House Republican leader; and Representative Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri and the House whip.

hmmmm... I wonder what they talked about?

Occam's Chainsaw: Weaver95: seriously - this election isn't about the Democrats at all. This is about the Republicans. will the rank and file continue to put up with the lies of the people who claim leadership within the Republican party or will they reject the ideology of those people and find something different to believe in? THAT will determine the election. Obama is almost an afterthought.

Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

If this happens, be prepared to have Demomcrats in power for at least 30 years, almost nonstop. The GOP base has a split much bigger than the Dem base.

Outtaphase: fungible molecules in the tubes

Alaskan politicians are really developing the Knack for fabulous internet memes.

pyrion: Weaver95: pyrion: Occam's Chainsaw: Enh, that story's going to play out over the next several years. Will the conservatives revolt and throw "the base" to the wolves? Could we see the Republicans, the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Evangelical Party in 2012?

We already have an Evangelical Party, of sorts. Just nobody's bothered to inform the evangelicals of it. They call themselves the "Constitution Party."

If this bailout bill screws up the economy rather than saving it, the Republicans are screwed. they'll get the blame for it, since economics is supposed to be their strength. Actually, I think they're gonna get the blame for it no matter what.

They damn well should. All that time as previously mentioned and nothing to show for it. The Democrats can, at very least, claim that they haven't been able to "fix things" since Bush has still been in power, but if they take the Presidency and retain Congress, the onus is on them. That's why I think the Republicans are banking on this, expecting the Democrats to "fall back to their old ways" and either make everything worse (ensuring they take back control in the next election cycle, if the Democrats are that stupid), or make everything better at a high cost to the taxpayer, who will be shortsighted enough to want to vote for someone promising lower taxes.


What the fark are you talking about? Even since the Dems took Congress, Bush hasn't figured out he has a "veto" power.

Sorry, it's on the Dems 100 farking %.

I think Bush has already made it clear he'll sign anything with the $700 billion on it if they get it to his desk.