the whole thing was a stunt on his part. you could see Lieberman ,Graham, and McCain all smirking as the cameras followed them around in the hallways of the senate building. They were like teenagers pulling a college prank or something almost cracking smiles as they made their way past the lights and cameras.

and if you needed more proof ^{(^)}

Hobodeluxe: and if you needed more proof (^)

Mr. Salter replied that "he can effectively do what he needs to do by phone." Nice link, thanks Hobo.

Geez, how transparent that statement is. Proof that the campaign suspension was just a stunt.

/FAIL

The dude is wasted. He's exhausted, and he's starting to get irrational and angry when his mistakes are capitalized on.

McStinky: Proof that the campaign suspension was just a stunt the actions of a Mavrick^TM

Mavrickified

It's the sideshow express.
tomorrow we'll go shopping for a maternity wedding dress with Bristol.

Let's have this farker go green.

+1

Hobodeluxe: the whole thing was a stunt on his part. you could see Lieberman ,Graham, and McCain all smirking as the cameras followed them around in the hallways of the senate building. They were like teenagers pulling a college prank or something almost cracking smiles as they made their way past the lights and cameras.

the polls i've seen to date (which are preliminary, I grant you) indicate that the 'joke' was not well received by the majority of americans. And as we all know, the internet has NOT been kind to McCain over his stunt at all.

I'm floored by McCain's actions. I really am. It's like kiddie hour up on the hill. This is the best the Republicans can do!? If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.

uh oh Rick Davis has been busted by Newsweek ^{(^)}

Green! I'm really enjoying this election, in most respects.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: McCain could not turn left to face Obama because all of his makeup would fall off.

It's hard to look the teacher in the eye when he's basically conducting a seminar on foreign affairs and giving your own paper a big ol' 'F' at the same time.

Especially if you're an angry old man and the prof is a n----r.

RedEyedWings: It's hard to look the teacher in the eye when he's basically conducting a seminar on foreign affairs and giving your own paper a big ol' 'F' at the same time.

Especially if you're an angry old man and the prof is a n----r.

The professor is near?

Weaver95: If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

Hobodeluxe: It's the sideshow express.
tomorrow we'll go shopping for a maternity wedding dress with Bristol.



/oblig.

mamoru: Weaver95: If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

This.

mamoru: Weaver95: If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

The only people I see still supporting McCain are the people who, for whatever reason, always pull the 'R' lever in every election no matter what the issue is or who's got that 'R' after their name.

NOTHING will convince those people to vote differently. And I hope that there aren't enough of those people to put McCain into the white house. Because THAT would be a disaster of epic proportions. I really WILL start stockpiling food and ammo and look into some land and a bunker in the wilderness.

Rep Barney Frank... pressed Boehner hard"


lololololololololololol

Weaver95: Hobodeluxe: the whole thing was a stunt on his part. you could see Lieberman ,Graham, and McCain all smirking as the cameras followed them around in the hallways of the senate building. They were like teenagers pulling a college prank or something almost cracking smiles as they made their way past the lights and cameras.

the polls i've seen to date (which are preliminary, I grant you) indicate that the 'joke' was not well received by the majority of americans. And as we all know, the internet has NOT been kind to McCain over his stunt at all.

I'm floored by McCain's actions. I really am. It's like kiddie hour up on the hill. This is the best the Republicans can do!? If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.


I've been walking around for three weeks saying "How in blue blazes is this thing even close?"

My sister lives in Ohio. She's a psychologist. She confirms there are many stupid and/or crazy people there. The kind who can't read and tend to set items in the grocery on fire. These are the voting public.

Obama can't let his guard down. Thinking you have won before you actually win is for the French.

cheap_thoughts: mamoru: Weaver95: If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

This.

The only reason Obama has a chance is because he is incredibly intelligent, McCain is cooly supported by the crazy block of the Republican Party, and Bush ruined the GOP image so horribly. I love Obama; I think if he wins he'll make a great president. But let's be clear here, this is pretty much the perfect time for him to run, and the only time he has a chance.

Weaver95: The only people I see still supporting McCain are the people who, for whatever reason, always pull the 'R' lever in every election no matter what the issue is or who's got that 'R' after their name.

You realize that's about 45% of the voting public, right?

Weaver95: mamoru: Weaver95: If so, Obama has this in the bag. I don't see how he can possibly lose the race now.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

The only people I see still supporting McCain are the people who, for whatever reason, always pull the 'R' lever in every election no matter what the issue is or who's got that 'R' after their name.

NOTHING will convince those people to vote differently. And I hope that there aren't enough of those people to put McCain into the white house. Because THAT would be a disaster of epic proportions. I really WILL start stockpiling food and ammo and look into some land and a bunker in the wilderness.

I promise you, when the democratic party offers analogously absurd candidates, I will vote third party.

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: Rep Barney Frank... pressed Boehner hard"


lololololololololololol

King Something

*yoink*

It makes me happy that the only folks saying McCain won are Byron York and other dirtbags like him at NRO and other places like that. It's like the rule of Krauthammer or Bill Kristol. They are always, ALWAYS, wrong. So if you disagree with them, be happy, because you know you're right.

This campaign has been historic in every respect. Have we ever had a candidate that is so out of touch?

cameroncrazy1984: This campaign has been historic in every respect. Have we ever had a candidate that is so out of touch?

Let's go backwards chronologically. And... yes.

cameroncrazy1984: This campaign has been historic in every respect. Have we ever had a candidate that is so out of touch?

It's rather disconcerting, isn't it?

Once the economy implodes, I plan on using my 'leet hacker skillz to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I'll start a beggar guild and we'll live under the streets of New York, worshipping ancient egyptian gods and living lives that reject the failures of our modern society.

Weaver95: The only people I see still supporting McCain Obama are the people who, for whatever reason, always pull the 'D' lever in every election no matter what the issue is or who's got that 'D' after their name.

NOTHING will convince those people to vote differently. And I hope that there aren't enough of those people to put McCain Obama into the white house. Because THAT would be a disaster of epic proportions. I really WILL start stockpiling food and ammo and look into some land and a bunker in the wilderness.

Lets face it, neither one got the ticket because they were the best candidate for the job. The same can be said about most candidates from the last 50 years at least. The only reason these two sewer dumps are still around is because a major party hasn't crashed and burned lately. Both parties seem to be driving too far to the side of the road, hopefully one (or better, both) hit a telephone poll.

Weaver95: I'll start a beggar guild and we'll live under the streets of New York, worshipping ancient egyptian gods and living lives that reject the failures of our modern society.

We can use my dad's barn!

I_Love_Verdi: Let's go backwards chronologically. And... yes.

bur

Crosshair: Lets face it, neither one got the ticket because they were the best candidate for the job.

If that were even remotely true, we'd have a Clinton for a nominee right now.

Obama beat her because he is the best one for the job.

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: This campaign has been historic in every respect. Have we ever had a candidate that is so out of touch?

It's rather disconcerting, isn't it?

Once the economy implodes, I plan on using my 'leet hacker skillz to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I'll start a beggar guild and we'll live under the streets of New York, worshipping ancient egyptian gods and living lives that reject the failures of our modern society.




approves.

Crosshair: The only reason these two sewer dumps are still around is because a major party hasn't crashed and burned lately.

The way I see it, the Fiscal conservative Republicans are in a major rift with the Social conservatives. This election may break them up. Social conservatism has no place in our world anymore, and hopefully will be destroyed soon.

ElQue: Crosshair: The only reason these two sewer dumps are still around is because a major party hasn't crashed and burned lately.

The way I see it, the Fiscal conservative Republicans are in a major rift with the Social conservatives. This election may break them up. Social conservatism has no place in our world anymore, and hopefully will be destroyed soon.

latent fiscal conservatism is what's giving the republicans such a problem passing bush's little state corporatism/socialism legislation this past week.

I think the social conservatives will win this particular battle. I just hope it costs them the war.

Weaver95: It's rather disconcerting, isn't it?

Once the economy implodes, I plan on using my 'leet hacker skillz to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I'll start a beggar guild and we'll live under the streets of New York, worshipping ancient egyptian gods and living lives that reject the failures of our modern society.

I'm so in. I get to be the Rat King.

Yay. This Bodes well for our foreign policy if McCain wins.

If he can't make eye contact with Barack Obama, how is he going to negotiate with Iran or North Korea if they insult him?

Weaver95: ElQue: Crosshair: The only reason these two sewer dumps are still around is because a major party hasn't crashed and burned lately.

The way I see it, the Fiscal conservative Republicans are in a major rift with the Social conservatives. This election may break them up. Social conservatism has no place in our world anymore, and hopefully will be destroyed soon.

latent fiscal conservatism is what's giving the republicans such a problem passing bush's little state corporatism/socialism legislation this past week.

I think the social conservatives will win this particular battle. I just hope it costs them the war.

Agreed. I hope that the actual fiscal conservatives will join the Libertarian party in force. I voted Libertarian both of the last two elections (the only two I've been old enough to.) Our entire US view of the political spectrum as one-dimensional (left vs. right) is retarded. Hopefully, change will come.

Occam's Chainsaw: Weaver95: It's rather disconcerting, isn't it?

Once the economy implodes, I plan on using my 'leet hacker skillz to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I'll start a beggar guild and we'll live under the streets of New York, worshipping ancient egyptian gods and living lives that reject the failures of our modern society.

I'm so in. I get to be the Rat King.

I'm gonna be Toth, the god of knowledge. But I want to teach people everything they ask and let them discover the consequences for themselves. amoral distribution of knowledge to any who ask, heedless of risk and regardless of consequences.

SphericalTime: Yay. This Bodes well for our foreign policy if McCain wins.

If he can't make eye contact with Barack Obama, how is he going to negotiate with Iran or North Korea if they insult him?

Nukes. You don't need to look at anyone to push the "destroy them all" button.

This account rings true to me. Sometimes the pieces all just fall into place.

I love it when Obama says "John". Where does that uppity elitist get off? "I got a bracelet too". Absolutely priceless. Forget about who would be the better president, Obama is about 10 times smarter than McCain. I'm starting to think he is smarter than Bill Clinton without having his other problems. Truly might end up being the best president the US has had in a long time and you guys need it now more than ever.

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: This campaign has been historic in every respect. Have we ever had a candidate that is so out of touch?

It's rather disconcerting, isn't it?

Once the economy implodes, I plan on using my 'leet hacker skillz to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I'll start a beggar guild and we'll live under the streets of New York, worshipping ancient egyptian gods and living lives that reject the failures of our modern society.

Isis Isis Ra Ra Ra!!!!

ElQue: Crosshair: The only reason these two sewer dumps are still around is because a major party hasn't crashed and burned lately.

The way I see it, the Fiscal conservative Republicans are in a major rift with the Social conservatives. This election may break them up. Social conservatism has no place in our world anymore, and hopefully will be destroyed soon.

The fiscal conservative Republicans are few and far-between, at least as far as actual elected party members are concerned. Overall membership though is what's going to get Obama elected come November. The Democrats are starting to look like the fiscal conservatives here, and the Republicans haven't been that way for years. You damn well know McCain's campaign is in dire straits when the fiscal conservative arm of the Republican party is collectively threatening to vote for Obama.

My inclination is still to vote for Barr, out of principle, but I'm expecting Obama to take this with a clear mandate, if not an outright landslide.

pyrion:

The fiscal conservative Republicans are few and far-between, at least as far as actual elected party members are concerned. Overall membership though is what's going to get Obama elected come November. The Democrats are starting to look like the fiscal conservatives here, and the Republicans haven't been that way for years. You damn well know McCain's campaign is in dire straits when the fiscal conservative arm of the Republican party is collectively threatening to vote for Obama.

My inclination is still to vote for Barr, out of principle, but I'm expecting Obama to take this with a clear mandate, if not an outright landslide.


The social conservative Republicans (aka the Religious Right) are a voting force, indeed. When the Democratic ticket is the more fiscally conservative one, you know things are awry :) I'll be voting for Obama, because I think it's high time we had a Democratic President with majorities in the Senate and the House. Maybe we can finally get something done.

pyrion: ElQue: Crosshair: The only reason these two sewer dumps are still around is because a major party hasn't crashed and burned lately.

The way I see it, the Fiscal conservative Republicans are in a major rift with the Social conservatives. This election may break them up. Social conservatism has no place in our world anymore, and hopefully will be destroyed soon.

The fiscal conservative Republicans are few and far-between, at least as far as actual elected party members are concerned. Overall membership though is what's going to get Obama elected come November. The Democrats are starting to look like the fiscal conservatives here, and the Republicans haven't been that way for years. You damn well know McCain's campaign is in dire straits when the fiscal conservative arm of the Republican party is collectively threatening to vote for Obama.

My inclination is still to vote for Barr, out of principle, but I'm expecting Obama to take this with a clear mandate, if not an outright landslide.

I truly believe the US would be better served by a parliamentary system. Nader and Bar could have several seats. Some seats for independants. The republicans and Dems have a whole bunch and party lines could form around issues. It would be interesting to see. Whenever the Prime Minister farks up to much, you could have a vote of non-confidence.

RedEyedWings: Especially if you're an angry old man and the prof is a n----r.

nagger ?

ElQue: The way I see it, the Fiscal conservative Republicans are in a major rift with the Social conservatives. This election may break them up. Social conservatism has no place in our world anymore, and hopefully will be destroyed soon.

I think social conservatism should be converted to individual conservatism, not destroyed. It's something one should practice within oneself instead of having it be something one crusades to force other people to abide by. Of course, somehow I doubt that a social conservative would be interested in hearing my opinion... I don't wear funny robes, hats, or collars.

--- on topic ---

It doesn't surprise me at all to read that McCain left the meeting without a show of bipartisanship and with an honest display of an effort to work together to solve this problem. I think McCain may actually believe his own rhetoric about Obama.

McCain, in my opinion, is up against a man who is simply a stronger candidate than he is. Even though McCain has faced defeat before, he absolutely doesn't want to face it again, but I don't think he has any idea how to avoid that. Everything he has been trying has been backfiring on him. Soon, Palin is going to debate with Biden and everyone will see what a better choice for VP Biden is than Palin is. Perhaps somehow she will perform well in the debate, she only has one to get through, but I seriously doubt it.

cameroncrazy1984: If that were even remotely true, we'd have a Clinton for a nominee right now.

Obama beat her because he is the best one for the job.

Do you even understand what you are saying? You're saying that there are only two Democrats in the country qualified to run for president, everyone else is a completely unqualified drooling idiot.

Clinton and Obama did not get to the top of the list for being the best candidates. Just like the manager at my last job didn't get to his position for being a good leader. Clinton got there because of her husband, and Obama got there because of Chicago politics. Both probably made some backroom deals. (Yes I'm oversimplifying things, deal with it.) Not the the GOP is any better though for choosing McCain. He probably got in out of sympathy for not getting the ticket in 2000 and/or reward for Bush butt kissing. There were plenty of good candidates for the GOP and they threw all that away to go for the guy with the biggest name/face.

If we went by merits, Clinton would not have even been considered (The people in NY would elect a can of baked beans if it ran as a Dem.) and Obama could have been told, "Come back in a few years." The GOP wouldn't have touched McCain with a 50 foot pole.

I had heard earlier in the day on Friday that McCain asked no questions while Obama grilled Paulson. No questions... Thanks for rushing back to DC and taking charge Big Mac!

ElQue: pyrion:

The fiscal conservative Republicans are few and far-between, at least as far as actual elected party members are concerned. Overall membership though is what's going to get Obama elected come November. The Democrats are starting to look like the fiscal conservatives here, and the Republicans haven't been that way for years. You damn well know McCain's campaign is in dire straits when the fiscal conservative arm of the Republican party is collectively threatening to vote for Obama.

My inclination is still to vote for Barr, out of principle, but I'm expecting Obama to take this with a clear mandate, if not an outright landslide.


The social conservative Republicans (aka the Religious Right) are a voting force, indeed. When the Democratic ticket is the more fiscally conservative one, you know things are awry :) I'll be voting for Obama, because I think it's high time we had a Democratic President with majorities in the Senate and the House. Maybe we can finally get something done.

I'm hoping that an Obama win will start to convince the Republican leadership that they need to redefine themselves as true fiscal conservatives and abandon the religious right and their nonsense. Honestly, while I think there are obvious positives and negatives to both liberal and conservative fiscal policies (the former appeals to me more, disclaimer), I find nothing valuable about the right's social positions.