That 22% - that'd be the bunch that thinks Bush is doing a good job, wouldn't it?

I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

Whoa.

dofus: That 22% - that'd be the bunch that thinks Bush is doing a good job, wouldn't it?

No. Anyone who thinks that Bush did a good job already has been committed.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

He's got short man's disease.

I call it a tie. Both of them bored the hell out of me.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

Because if he turned to the left, all of his makeup would fall off.

quickdraw: He's got I'm-a-huge-dickhead disease.

There you go.

It's hard to look someone in the eye when you are misrepresenting their record or what they said....

I am really unnerved by the way McCain kept smiling and chuckling.

I mean, I might take him seriously for a moment about how "dangerous" it is to meet with foreign leaders if I didn't get the impression that talking about war gave him a crusty boner.

Confabulat: I call it a tie. Both of them bored the hell out of me.

That's a win for Obama, then.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

McCain is still mad at Obama for edging him out in the Senate Super Bowl betting pool last year.

Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

McCain sure did lie a lot. Obama was awesome at calling him on it the whole time. But anyhow, I guess that these numbers show maybe the US voters are getting tired of war, and hawks no longer appeal to them?

The stunts McCain tried pulling prior to the debates did not help him. This was not the self assured man of the Saddleback forums (where people would agree with him). This was a cranky old man, telling the young whipper-snapper who doesn't know anything (despite evidence to the contrary) that he can't have the job because he's not responsible enough.

He made everyone feel like they were 16 again and arguing with their father about using the car.

All Obama had to do in this debate was score a draw. He did that. Most Americans don't understand anything that happens outside of their kitchens.

All they want to see in a foreign policy debate is that both candidates can name a bunch of foreign places and pronounce a bunch of foreign names.

There was no knockout punch here, and that favors Obama.

If McCain can't score a knockout on domestic policy, he's in trouble, since foreign policy was supposed to be "his" issue and all he could do was force a draw.

I'm a die-hard Obama supporter and I view it as a toss-up. Neither of them brought anything new to the table, it was basically a repetition of talking points. That said, this was supposed to be McCain's "strong suit," so I consider a tie a victory for Obama.

We'll see in the polls how the general public viewed it.

The only poll (compilation) I trust is 538.

linky

Oh...and I think Obama got more fodder to use in ads and for surrogates than McCain did. The biggest being McCain's outright lie about Henry Kissinger.

Sixty-six percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-four percent think McCain would.

wat

Is it just me, or do the numbers in the article not match the numbers in the headline? Maybe this is some kind of poll in progress?

superbovine: Sixty-six percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-four percent think McCain would.

wat

They asked the same people the same question about each candidate. Some of them answered "yes" to both.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?



"DON'T YOU F*CKIN' LOOK AT ME!"

Well that's decidedly ambivalent

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Occam's Chainsaw: Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

I think it all comes down to general impressions. Obama was calm and confident, and even friendly, while McCain was bitter and weird and angry.

I think we all forget this one fact: In the last 30 years, the single most one-sided thrashing ever in a Presidential debate was the first debate in 1984, when Mondale *DESTROYED* Reagan. And look how that election went.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Well that's decidedly ambivalent

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Is it? Obama basically doubled McCain's numbers.

Occam's Chainsaw: Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

I'm the "independent demographic," although I have decided to vote for Obama, and I value civility, honesty and optimism, so Obama's demeanor appealed to me more, but that may not be how middle America sees it. What I view as civility and being cordial, they may view as weakness.

amo:
They asked the same people the same question about each candidate. Some of them answered "yes" to both.

I know it's just a rather silly interjection into either/or article.

DamnYankees: I think we all forget this one fact: In the last 30 years, the single most one-sided thrashing ever in a Presidential debate was the first debate in 1984, when Mondale *DESTROYED* Reagan. And look how that election went.

And depending on how the night goes, we may see this with the economy debate. McCain's really going in with no leg to stand on, and as you said, McCain looked like he was getting peeved there at points. I really can see him saying something he'll regret if he gets drubbed a little too hard.

sigdiamond2000: "DON'T YOU F*CKIN' LOOK AT ME!"

You're a good man for posting that.

/now it's dark

Occam's Chainsaw: Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

Obama did more to get his ideas out there, while McCain was a condescending buttface. We've had a condescending buttface for 8 years.

This isn't as fun without the lighters here.

Obama did a great job at explaining things with boring detail.

Which would be great in any place except a first frigging debate with your incompetent opponent.

Jesus, there were so many knock-out punch opportunities. I just had to walk out and come back in after a couple minutes (oh, and maybe a submitted link or two).

muck4doo: This isn't as fun without the lighters here.

Yeah, fark this civil discourse shiat, I came here to WRASSLE!!

ToxicMunkee: Occam's Chainsaw: Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

Obama did more to get his ideas out there, while McCain was a condescending buttface. We've had a condescending buttface for 8 years.

McCain was also angry, the one bad quality that you can't really ascribe to GWB.

Halfmast Trousers: Obama did a great job at explaining things with boring detail.

Which would be great in any place except a first frigging debate with your incompetent opponent.

Jesus, there were so many knock-out punch opportunities. I just had to walk out and come back in after a couple minutes (oh, and maybe a submitted link or two).

You know, we all said this about him and Clinton also. He seems to be doing ok. I wish he would hit harder also, but I trust the guy to know what he's doing.

Occam's Chainsaw: muck4doo: This isn't as fun without the lighters here.

Yeah, fark this civil discourse shiat, I came here to WRASSLE!!

Oh, I love civil debate, but going from the greenlit threads to this was too civil. I appreciate your reply.

dofus: That 22% - that'd be the bunch that thinks Bush is doing a good job, wouldn't it?

And now the thread is complete. Close up shop and safe drive everyone.

DamnYankees: ToxicMunkee: Occam's Chainsaw: Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

Obama did more to get his ideas out there, while McCain was a condescending buttface. We've had a condescending buttface for 8 years.

McCain was also angry, the one bad quality that you can't really ascribe to GWB.

What's wrong with getting angry?

Halfmast Trousers: Obama did a great job at explaining things with boring detail.

Which would be great in any place except a first frigging debate with your incompetent opponent.

Jesus, there were so many knock-out punch opportunities. I just had to walk out and come back in after a couple minutes (oh, and maybe a submitted link or two).

Admittedly, as an Obama supporter, I was hoping for a knockout punch, but Obama's ahead in the polls. There was no need to take wild swings that could potentially backfire. All he had to do was look prepared, strong and confident. He did that. A draw for Obama on foreign policy is a win, just as a draw on domestic policy would be a win for McCain.

Halfmast Trousers: Jesus, there were so many knock-out punch opportunities

I think that was a calculated strategy for Obama to not go for the knockout blow in this debate. It seemed as though he wanted to seem presidential and hold his own in a debate that many people felt McCain had the advantage. A tie in this debate isn't really a big deal.

He has the lead in the polls and it will stay that way, also Obama can sit back and let Biden run over Palin next week.

Then, in a few weeks, Obama can go to town in the domestic issues debates where Obama is said to have the advantage.

McCain needed some sort of game changer to get the polls stalled or moving in his direction and he didn't do that tonight.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

McCain honestly dislikes Obama. He dislikes anyone that disagrees with him on pretty much anything. It doesn't matter the party of the person or the issue, if you disagree with McCain you are on his shiat list. Personally that's one of the things I hate most about him. It leads me to conclude if he wins he's going to surround himself with advisors and Cabinet members that are totally unwilling to disagree with him even when he's clearly wrong.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

some people have a hard time looking at those they're speaking to when lying.

muck4doo: DamnYankees: ToxicMunkee: Occam's Chainsaw: Huh. I expected the numbers to be stronger for McCain. Perhaps it's the negativity angle? Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept saying, "You don't understand..." That may have not gone over well with the independent demographic.

Obama did more to get his ideas out there, while McCain was a condescending buttface. We've had a condescending buttface for 8 years.

McCain was also angry, the one bad quality that you can't really ascribe to GWB.

What's wrong with getting angry?

*biatchslaps muck4doo*

Nothing, biatch!

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

He looked grumpy. Old and grumpy.

muck4doo: What's wrong with getting angry?

You tend to do stuff that you later regret. When you posses The Button, that goes from minor problem to dangerous character flaw. I prefer a cold, calculating sonofabiatch over a hothead.

I cant wait to see Biden/Palin on the 2nd. She cant even talk to the media about McCain's performance tonight? It should be very interesting.

I was just over trying to read what the Freepers were saying, their eyes are all dead inside, help me I fear that the crazy may have rubbed off on me.

60% of America is going to watch their Constitution dissolve in front of their eyes.

If they can be bothered to take their eyes off the Kardashians and "America's Got A Narrow Definition of Talent."

bulldg4life: Halfmast Trousers: Jesus, there were so many knock-out punch opportunities

I think that was a calculated strategy for Obama to not go for the knockout blow in this debate. It seemed as though he wanted to seem presidential and hold his own in a debate that many people felt McCain had the advantage. A tie in this debate isn't really a big deal.

He has the lead in the polls and it will stay that way, also Obama can sit back and let Biden run over Palin next week.

Then, in a few weeks, Obama can go to town in the domestic issues debates where Obama is said to have the advantage.

McCain needed some sort of game changer to get the polls stalled or moving in his direction and he didn't do that tonight.

Look one post above yours. I wholeheartedly agree.

As I was watching, I was starting to get perturbed, but by the end, the cumulative effect was positive for Obama and I have to give him credit for sticking to a sound game plan.

dgc360: I'm still wondering why the hell McCain wouldn't even look at Obama?

How is he going to know what letters are in Obama's eyes if he doesn't look in them??

/someone, post that hilarious graphic of Putin's eyes with KGB in them again