I'm sure he just misspoke.

I believe everything I see on television... is a crock of shiate.

I still don't quite get how the plant can close and all the parts shipped to China where a new plant will make different kinds of TVs is somehow contrary to what the Obama ad states.

If Corning had wanted (or had financial incentive) to keep those jobs in America the plant would have retooled. If there as no need for the product they were making, the plant would have closed.

Plant closes and someone else uses some of the parts of that plant to make different TVs in China does, indeed, sound like those people's jobs got exported to China.

If Ford closed a plant that made Excursions and sent most of the line parts to China, do you think "b-b-but they don't make Excursions at the new plant in China! They make Escapes!" is much of a soundbite?

Am I missing something here?

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Am I missing something here?

Obama is a big fat liar. That's what you missed.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Am I missing something here?

Yes.

What you're missing is that analytical thinking of that complexity is completely beyond McCain's base. They're not going to be able to understand most of the vocabulary in your post, let alone the logical connections.

I will paraphrase the quote we'll get from the few usual suspects who will actually see/acknowledge that your post is even there:

"You talk like a fag."

Is it a bad thing I read that as McCain campaign ads, and thought subby was being a bad troll when Obama's newest ad factchecked came up?

Mors:
"You talk like a fag."

But... is his shiat all retarded?

Wight Power: Mors:
"You talk like a fag."

But... is his shiat all retarded?

No, not unless we're talking about medical stuff, bro!

Wight Power: Mors:
"You talk like a fag."

But... is his shiat all retarded?

Very.

Full of lies...

Wow! Old news is so exciting!

/in this case, the spin is the same too
//and still wrong. The ad is correct.

FTFA:The ad's facts themselves are true, but are presented out of context so that the underlining message is misleading. Corning closed a plant, and a business altogether and we know longer make CRTs. Yes the parts were taken down and sold to a manufacturer in China, but we have learned that the company lost funding and those parts have never been used to create more CRTs or jobs.

Oh so the jobs were being shipped to China but the company in China went belly up so that makes it ok!

McCain: Only shipping your jobs away to China and having them fail there!

anybody know if/where the debate will be webcast in decent quality?

/threadjack

meat0918: Is it a bad thing I read that as McCain campaign ads, and thought subby was being a bad troll when Obama's newest ad factchecked came up?

Yes, if you think only McCain uses deceitful advertising. All politicians do.

Nice try. But everything the ad says is true. They disassembled the plant and moved it to China. The tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas no doubt factored into the decision to move it to China.

This is getting on my nerves.

You all come in here and apologize for Obama's misleading ads, yet attack, attack McCain's.

Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is getting on my nerves.


No.

captain_heroic44: Nice try. But everything the ad says is true. They disassembled the plant and moved it to China. The tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas no doubt factored into the decision to move it to China.

Did you read at the bottom of the article where someone from the Brookings Institute said that tax burden rarely plays a large role in a company's decision to outsource? Of course you didn't cause that would make your argument moot.

soy_bomb: Full of lies...

Yes, because God forbid people have a decent home to live in.

Tell me again, who turned these mortgages into securities? Who couldn't be happy for people that were owning a home for the first time, and had to stick their greedy farking hands into the pot of homeownership to try and make money?

Oh, thats right.....Wall Street.

Which political manager took money from Freddie and/or Fanny?

And which political party usually helps Wall Street?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is getting on my nerves.

You all come in here and apologize for Obama's misleading ads, yet attack, attack McCain's.

Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

How was the ad misleading.

mainstreet62:



Which political manager took money from Freddie and/or Fanny?



Which candidate took more money from Freddie and/or Fanny?

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

Bad talking point to use there...

The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is getting on my nerves.

You all come in here and apologize for Obama's misleading ads, yet attack, attack McCain's.

Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

Care to do a tally of factcheck.org and then weight it for severity? A large chunk is about McCain and a small portion is Obama. Obama's tend to be hyperbole or misdirection. McCain tends to be misdirection or outright falsehoods.

Change you can't count on.

I like Obama as much as any other Masshole, but the article has a point. Plant A closes down because of obsolete tech, and sells off remaining inventory/equipment to a buyer. That buyer just happens to be in China. That's all this is.

For the guy claiming the plant should retool to keep jobs, maybe you don't know the difference between CRT's and LCD's. Apples and oranges. And even if Corning is in the LCD business, who is to say that don't already have enough LCD plants? Perhaps it just makes more sense to close down an unprofitable plant instead of retooling it to make something else they already have enough of.

bartink: The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is getting on my nerves.

You all come in here and apologize for Obama's misleading ads, yet attack, attack McCain's.

Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

How was the ad misleading.

By making the connection between equipment being shipped overseas vs. jobs being shipped. Would you rather Corning continued to make CRTs that no one will buy just so that some folks can keep their jobs?

whereisian: The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is getting on my nerves.

You all come in here and apologize for Obama's misleading ads, yet attack, attack McCain's.

Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

Care to do a tally of factcheck.org and then weight it for severity? A large chunk is about McCain and a small portion is Obama. Obama's tend to be hyperbole or misdirection. McCain tends to be misdirection or outright falsehoods.

The fact that you have to make the distinction between Obama using hyperbole and misdirection vs. outright lies is funny to me.

Show me the outright lies. Please. I live to debunk them.

More of the same from the most disingenuous candidate this country has seen in my lifetime.

Were the parts sent to an new factory location in China, or sold to a different company in China?

Because if Corning owns the new factory in China, I'd call it job-shifting. If not (and that's kind of what I'm getting from the "Corning doesn't make CRT's anymore" bit), then it's just Corning moving on.

There is not enough factual information in their article to come to a clear conclusion on the matter.

But Obama told me that McCain and Limbaugh have the same views on illegal immigration, and that they both think Mexicans are stupid.

/Tired of this campaign.
//Both sides aren't just being a little dishonest, they're knowingly and blatantly lying.

Obama talks like a fag and his shiat's all retarded.

Tokay: Were the parts sent to an new factory location in China, or sold to a different company in China?

Because if Corning owns the new factory in China, I'd call it job-shifting. If not (and that's kind of what I'm getting from the "Corning doesn't make CRT's anymore" bit), then it's just Corning moving on.

There is not enough factual information in their article to come to a clear conclusion on the matter.

It appears that Corning has plants in China. If they are used specifically to make CRTs or not, I am unsure.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

Bullcrap!

McCain repeatedly says Obama will raise everyone's taxes. That is a complete BS lie. Obama has no proposal to do that.

Where this "lie" is that the speculate that the people "may" have lost their jobs anyway, even though everything else was true.

That's not even close. This is the MSM trying to act "balanced" when the case is one side is full of crap.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: By making the connection between equipment being shipped overseas vs. jobs being shipped. Would you rather Corning continued to make CRTs that no one will buy just so that some folks can keep their jobs?

Yeah what company was this again? STFU.

There is still a big market (old people) for HD CRTs.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: It appears that Corning has plants in China. If they are used specifically to make CRTs or not, I am unsure.

So you don't know if the ad was misleading or not then, do you?

Olthoi: I like Obama as much as any other Masshole, but the article has a point. Plant A closes down because of obsolete tech, and sells off remaining inventory/equipment to a buyer. That buyer just happens to be in China. That's all this is.

For the guy claiming the plant should retool to keep jobs, maybe you don't know the difference between CRT's and LCD's. Apples and oranges. And even if Corning is in the LCD business, who is to say that don't already have enough LCD plants? Perhaps it just makes more sense to close down an unprofitable plant instead of retooling it to make something else they already have enough of.

Talking sense is not appreciated among the Obama crew at Fark.

DoWhatNowToWhat: The_Six_Fingered_Man: By making the connection between equipment being shipped overseas vs. jobs being shipped. Would you rather Corning continued to make CRTs that no one will buy just so that some folks can keep their jobs?

Yeah what company was this again? STFU.

There is still a big market (old people) for HD CRTs.

Ahhh, I see. So you missed this part of the article:

But the cathode ray tube is a dying technology, and Corning no longer makes it.

So you would have them continue to make a product on a line that they are discontinuing because you feel in your expert opinion and research that there is a big market for this product that they no longer make.

/And you tell ME to STFU.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: It appears that Corning has plants in China. If they are used specifically to make CRTs or not, I am unsure.

So you think they shipped all the machinery all across the world just to throw it away?

I think most reasonable people can figure they shipped the machinery to use in production.

And if it's another company it doesn't matter, that's how many companies outsource, they have other companies in China make it so they keep their fingers clean from child labor and sweet shops and prison labor.

Corvus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

Bullcrap!

McCain repeatedly says Obama will raise everyone's taxes. That is a complete BS lie.


Hey, it's a half-truth. Or rather, a 1%-truth.

/And other WAHRRGARBL
//It's an election. This shiat happens.

Come on, Obama -- knock it off. You don't NEED to lie or even exaggerate to make McCain/Palin look bad.

Corvus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Obama misleads the public just as much as McCain does. Let's not pretend that he doesn't.

Bullcrap!

McCain repeatedly says Obama will raise everyone's taxes. That is a complete BS lie. Obama has no proposal to do that.

Where this "lie" is that the speculate that the people "may" have lost their jobs anyway, even though everything else was true.

That's not even close. This is the MSM trying to act "balanced" when the case is one side is full of crap.

And Obama has said that McCain wants us to have 100 years of war in Iraq, which is another blatant lie. It's funny how you look past that though.

Gangway Fathead: Come on, Obama -- knock it off. You don't NEED to lie or even exaggerate to make McCain/Palin look bad.

Truth; a this point, all he needs to do is put his feet up and keep paying out rope.

bartink: The_Six_Fingered_Man: It appears that Corning has plants in China. If they are used specifically to make CRTs or not, I am unsure.

So you don't know if the ad was misleading or not then, do you?

Because the article doesn't say whether or not Corning sent the equipment to themselves. Corning stopped making the CRTs in the US and shipped the equipment overseas. It did not ship jobs that would otherwise be held here overseas. You can't ship something that does not exist any longer. If Corning had said "We shipped this equipment overseas to our Chinese manufacturing plant" then you would have a point.

My previous statement was to show that I didn't know if Corning sent the stuff to themselves. Now that I reread the article and the statement from the Corning rep, I can say that they weren't.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: But the cathode ray tube is a dying technology, and Corning no longer makes it.

So you would have them continue to make a product on a line that they are discontinuing because you feel in your expert opinion and research that there is a big market for this product that they no longer make.

/And you tell ME to STFU.

I never sold TVs for a few years.... Just because it doesn't bring in the millions of dollars doesn't mean people still don't want it.

CRT are bulky and I personally hate them but people are still requesting them and buying them up like hot pancakes.

Link (new window)Thanks to this shiat ass company I see why a lot of people bailed on CRT in the first place. They sold $99 dollar TVs that aren't worth the box they are placed in.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: By making the connection between equipment being shipped overseas vs. jobs being shipped. Would you rather Corning continued to make CRTs that no one will buy just so that some folks can keep their jobs?

Finally, Sumsung-Corning (50% owned) produces cathode-ray-tubes for conventional televisions. Corning's holdings in these joint-ventures contributed substantially to Corning's earnings in FY 2006. Although their revenue is added to the company's financial results they produced an addition $960M in additional earnings.

Yeah 1 Billion a year. They are going broke on these things.

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Corning_(GLW)

muck4doo: And Obama has said that McCain wants us to have 100 years of war in Iraq, which is another blatant lie. It's funny how you look past that though.

Because he did. Explain to me according to him at that time when he would pull troops out?

Show me when McCain said "Even in defeat I will pull troops out by X" then.

You said he had said that. so go ahead and show me when he set a earlier timetable..

Show me.

Corvus: muck4doo: And Obama has said that McCain wants us to have 100 years of war in Iraq, which is another blatant lie. It's funny how you look past that though.

Because he did. Explain to me according to him at that time when he would pull troops out?

Show me when McCain said "Even in defeat I will pull troops out by X" then.

You said he had said that. so go ahead and show me when he set a earlier timetable..

Show me.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/15/mccain-offers-his-iraq-timetable/

There you go.

Corvus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: By making the connection between equipment being shipped overseas vs. jobs being shipped. Would you rather Corning continued to make CRTs that no one will buy just so that some folks can keep their jobs?

Finally, Sumsung-Corning (50% owned) produces cathode-ray-tubes for conventional televisions. Corning's holdings in these joint-ventures contributed substantially to Corning's earnings in FY 2006. Although their revenue is added to the company's financial results they produced an addition $960M in additional earnings.

Yeah 1 Billion a year. They are going broke on these things.

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Corning_(GLW)

So is it Sumsung or Corning that is making these CRTs? Just because I have 50% holdings in a nail salon does not mean that I myself do manicures and pedicures. It simply means that I have a financial stake in the company.

The internet is serious business.

/didn't mean to tell TSFM to STFU
//it slipped out like the Obama ad

DoWhatNowToWhat: The internet is serious business.

/didn't mean to tell TSFM to STFU
//it slipped out like the Obama ad

Well now you've unleashed the demon. There is no putting him back in the bottle until I have drank the blood of a Democrat.