WTH Democrats?!?!?

/GObama

well you can sheer a sheep many times, but you can skin it only once.

*shrugs*

baorao: well you can sheer shear a sheep many times, but you can skin it only once.

*shrugs*

So what you're saying is when the republican president asks for a trillian dollars, asks to nationalize half of the mortgages in america, and ask congress for more--we should blame the democrats for asking for 50 billion?

I got it.

I think of the words of the inimitable John Lydon, who once queried, "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

absoluteparanoia: So what you're saying is when the republican president asks for a trillian dollars, asks to nationalize half of the mortgages in america, and ask congress for more--we should blame the democrats for asking for 50 billion?

I got it.

Yup. When Republicans ask for money, they are doing so for the good of America, but no Democrat has ever asked for money to help America. That's what I've learned from 8 years of living in hell, otherwise known as the George W. Bush administration.

It's not going to happen, so who cares?

It's a $56 billion stimulus package to help the people getting screwed by the companies we're bailing out with the $700 billion package.

/no, I don't see the difference either.

The Republicans need to back away and let the Democrats own this mofo. They can pass all this crap all by themselves, let'em have at it.

GAT_00: Yup. When Republicans ask for money, they are doing so for the good of America, but no Democrat has ever asked for money to help America. That's what I've learned from 8 years of living in hell, otherwise known as the George W. Bush administration.

Your idea of hell? It might need a little revision.

GaryPDX: The Republicans need to back away and let the Democrats own this mofo. They can pass all this crap all by themselves, let'em have at it.

Since it was started at Bush's request, there's no way for Republicans to distance themselves.

PDX is officially insane.

absoluteparanoia: PDX is officially insane.

That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

This bailout just gets awesomer and awesomer. Nice going, dems.

Might I suggest a slightly different 'bailout' plan:

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Since it was started at Bush's request, there's no way for Republicans to distance themselves.

They've been looking for a way to distance themselves from Bush and that's exactly what they're doing now.

absoluteparanoia: PDX is officially insane.

It's heartbreaking. The first casualty of the Russia-Georgia War was his sanity.

GaryPDX: That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

I'd reached that conclusion before I'd ever heard of Obama.

GaryPDX: absoluteparanoia: PDX is officially insane.

That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

I think any blaming of the Democrats as the main culprits behind all this is what certifies you as either insane or retarded. Which is it? Or are you aware that the Republicans are the ones at fault here, who created this mess? You don't have to support Obama to accept reality.

Slaxl: Or are you aware that the Republicans are the ones at fault here, who created this mess?

There is a lot of blame to go around. Don't call him disingenuous if you are going to pull some partisan card like that.

Satan_Sunburn: This bailout just gets awesomer and awesomer. Nice going, dems.

Might I suggest a slightly different 'bailout' plan:

I was trying to get a picture of that guy yesterday, but my camera-phone is too slow.

patrick767: They've been looking for a way to distance themselves from Bush and that's exactly what they're doing now.

It doesn't really work. Or rather, it does serve to distance them from him, but raises the obvious issue that they didn't distance themselves from him up until this point. It makes them look divided, weak, and poll-driven.

GaryPDX: That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

It's mainly because you say stuff like "Darth Pelosi", and claim to care more about the solar energy credits than any other issue while being completely unaware of who's fighting against them, and who's fighting for them.

As I've said before, I think you're a nice guy, I'd love to have you with me in the Zombie Apocalypse, but you're a combination of naive, ignorant, insane, and willfully disingenuous when it comes to politics.

GaryPDX: The Republicans need to back away and let the Democrats own this mofo. They can pass all this crap all by themselves, let'em have at it.

that was the plan. make a huge shiat sandwich and force the Dems to make us eat it while the leader of the party holds a gun to the Dems head.

and they get to stand back like they had nothing to do with making it and are the vanguard of the people.

GaryPDX: absoluteparanoia: PDX is officially insane.

That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

i reached that conclusion because of you popping an e-boner all over every thread that talked about the conflict between russia and georgia. you couldn't wait to start talking about ivan and his tanks and how we have to go fight them.

Slaxl: Or are you aware that the Republicans are the ones at fault here, who created this mess?

Huh. Seems to me it was Acorn and Clinton in '92. Something about the poor not being able to get loans because they had no money and how that was racist and unfair.

Satan_Sunburn: This bailout just gets awesomer and awesomer. Nice going, dems.

Might I suggest a slightly different 'bailout' plan:

The president and his two appointees (Bernanke/Pauhlson) are requesting this and it is a democratic plan? I don't understand. Are you trying to frame the bail-out as a democratic creation?

Roman Fyseek: Huh. Seems to me it was Acorn and Clinton in '92. Something about the poor not being able to get loans because they had no money and how that was racist and unfair.

yeah those wall st guys and their shady little secrets were thinking about the little guy all along. they weren't making themselves incredibly rich for themselves. they were doing it for the poor black child.

burndtdan: GaryPDX: absoluteparanoia: PDX is officially insane.

That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

i reached that conclusion because of you popping an e-boner all over every thread that talked about the conflict between russia and georgia. you couldn't wait to start talking about ivan and his tanks and how we have to go fight them.

And I'm sure Ivan's efforts in Venezuela just make you all warm and fuzzy too.

GaryPDX: burndtdan: GaryPDX: absoluteparanoia: PDX is officially insane.

That was the conclusion a long time ago just because I don't like Obama.

i reached that conclusion because of you popping an e-boner all over every thread that talked about the conflict between russia and georgia. you couldn't wait to start talking about ivan and his tanks and how we have to go fight them.

And I'm sure Ivan's efforts in Venezuela just make you all warm and fuzzy too.



"there you go again."

Hobodeluxe: GaryPDX: The Republicans need to back away and let the Democrats own this mofo. They can pass all this crap all by themselves, let'em have at it.

that was the plan. make a huge shiat sandwich and force the Dems to make us eat it while the leader of the party holds a gun to the Dems head.

and they get to stand back like they had nothing to do with making it and are the vanguard of the people.

It all started with the Clintons pushing Freddie and Fannie for more "affordable housing" for people who couldn't afford it in 1999. So yea...blame the Republicans all you want. When the Dems took away the risk, all hell broke loose. Banks sold that shiatty paper to Fannie and Freddie as fast as they could so they wouldn't get stuck with it. And then the music stopped and now the taxpayer gets to pay for it.

GaryPDX: It all started with the Clintons pushing Freddie and Fannie for more "affordable housing" for people who couldn't afford it in 1999. So yea...blame the Republicans all you want. When the Dems took away the risk, all hell broke loose. Banks sold that shiatty paper to Fannie and Freddie as fast as they could so they wouldn't get stuck with it. And then the music stopped and now the taxpayer gets to pay for it.

This post, more than any other, certifies both your absolute and complete political partisanship, and your absolute ignorance and/or disingenuousness in posting.

It makes me lose respect for you. Sorry, Gary.

GaryPDX: It all started with the Clintons pushing Freddie and Fannie for more "affordable housing" for people who couldn't afford it in 1999. So yea...blame the Republicans all you want.

If only they'd had control of Congress and the White House, they could have reversed this. Oh, wait....

Roman Fyseek: Huh. Seems to me it was Acorn and Clinton in '92. Something about the poor not being able to get loans because they had no money and how that was racist and unfair.

Is it still a knee jerk reaction for "real conservatives" to blame any current problems on the minorities and the poor?

GaryPDX: It all started with the Clintons pushing Freddie and Fannie for more "affordable housing" for people who couldn't afford it in 1999. So yea...blame the Republicans all you want. When the Dems took away the risk, all hell broke loose. Banks sold that shiatty paper to Fannie and Freddie as fast as they could so they wouldn't get stuck with it. And then the music stopped and now the taxpayer gets to pay for it.

I've heard that before and it smells 'talking pointy' to me.

Look - Bush has a plan (there are many copies...) and he thinks it'll save us. The Democrats think a plan is a great idea, but they want some changes made. The rank and file Republicans (well some of them) suddenly rediscovered their fiscal conservatism roots and suddenly balked at the plan. Or maybe they actually listened to their voters. i'm not sure which it was....

My point to all of this is that we have a socially conservative Republican president who is trying very very hard to turn us into a socialist nation. And it's the DEMOCRATS that are iffy on the whole deal. It's bizzaro month in politics. NONE of this makes sense.

GaryPDX: Banks sold that shiatty paper to Fannie and Freddie as fast as they could so they wouldn't get stuck with it.

Thanks to Phil Gramm for the legislation that allowed them to do this...

Here's the video that explains why it was the DEMOCRATS who got us into this economic disaster.

Where are all of the Republicans being put on trial for this? Don't see any? Are you asking yourself "why" yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Weaver95: My point to all of this is that we have a socially conservative Republican president who is trying very very hard to turn us into a socialist nation. And it's the DEMOCRATS that are iffy on the whole deal. It's bizzaro month in politics. NONE of this makes sense.

I have found that a triple Gin & Tonic goes a long way to making the politics of the day make sense. Or at least it gives me a more reasonable excuse for feeling confused and dizzy.

Lundah: GaryPDX: It all started with the Clintons pushing Freddie and Fannie for more "affordable housing" for people who couldn't afford it in 1999. So yea...blame the Republicans all you want.

If only they'd had control of Congress and the White House, they could have reversed this. Oh, wait....

Where was Pelosi the last two years..why didn't she fix it?

Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: My point to all of this is that we have a socially conservative Republican president who is trying very very hard to turn us into a socialist nation. And it's the DEMOCRATS that are iffy on the whole deal. It's bizzaro month in politics. NONE of this makes sense.

I have found that a triple Gin & Tonic goes a long way to making the politics of the day make sense. Or at least it gives me a more reasonable excuse for feeling confused and dizzy.

I picked the wrong week to quit taking vicodin.

GaryPDX: Where was Pelosi the last two years..why didn't she fix it?

Thank you for proving my point. Each side will blame the other for this, when truthfully, both are at fault.

dougbert: Here's the video that explains why it was the DEMOCRATS who got us into this economic disaster.

Where are all of the Republicans being put on trial for this? Don't see any? Are you asking yourself "why" yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

This video is dishonest in two ways:

1) Linking the current crisis to a very old law that a Republic government could have reversed during the many years when they controlled both the executive and legislative branch

2) Labelling Obama as part of the problem through association to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when McCain's historic and present ties to these companies are far more significant (link from a real news source)

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/also the Raines stuff in the video is just an outright lie and I challenge you to find a primary citation for it

Weaver95: Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: My point to all of this is that we have a socially conservative Republican president who is trying very very hard to turn us into a socialist nation. And it's the DEMOCRATS that are iffy on the whole deal. It's bizzaro month in politics. NONE of this makes sense.

I have found that a triple Gin & Tonic goes a long way to making the politics of the day make sense. Or at least it gives me a more reasonable excuse for feeling confused and dizzy.

I picked the wrong week to quit taking vicodin.


Oh yeah, it all makes sense now... the policies, I can taste them

Lundah: GaryPDX: Where was Pelosi the last two years..why didn't she fix it?

Thank you for proving my point. Each side will blame the other for this, when truthfully, both are at fault.

I was leading to that..:) Both Factions are at fault. I say let it crash. People shouldn't be in homes they can't afford anyway and these idiots who put them there should be strung up in the public square.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: It all started with the Clintons pushing Freddie and Fannie for more "affordable housing" for people who couldn't afford it in 1999. So yea...blame the Republicans all you want. When the Dems took away the risk, all hell broke loose. Banks sold that shiatty paper to Fannie and Freddie as fast as they could so they wouldn't get stuck with it. And then the music stopped and now the taxpayer gets to pay for it.

I've heard that before and it smells 'talking pointy' to me.

Look - Bush has a plan (there are many copies...) and he thinks it'll save us. The Democrats think a plan is a great idea, but they want some changes made. The rank and file Republicans (well some of them) suddenly rediscovered their fiscal conservatism roots and suddenly balked at the plan. Or maybe they actually listened to their voters. i'm not sure which it was....

My point to all of this is that we have a socially conservative Republican president who is trying very very hard to turn us into a socialist nation. And it's the DEMOCRATS that are iffy on the whole deal. It's bizzaro month in politics. NONE of this makes sense.

Your thoughtful analysis of the situation is not appreciated. Either take a cheap shot at McCain or Obama or get the fark out.

GaryPDX: I was leading to that..:) Both Factions are at fault. I say let it crash.

And people laughed at me when I placed a huge invested in non-perishable foodstuffs and ammunition. Who is laughing now. I am not only prepared for a zombie apocalypse, but also an economic implosion.

GaryPDX: Lundah: GaryPDX: Where was Pelosi the last two years..why didn't she fix it?

Thank you for proving my point. Each side will blame the other for this, when truthfully, both are at fault.

I was leading to that..:) Both Factions are at fault. I say let it crash. People shouldn't be in homes they can't afford anyway and these idiots who put them there should be strung up in the public square.

Both left leaning and right leaning farkers are arguing past each other. I don't think either side agree with the bail-out and are therefore against their respective candiates postions on the subjects.

As I wanna be American-voter, I wish Obama would have had the balls to completely reject the bail-out idea the first time he heard it. It would have forced McCain to take an opposing position and Obama would have had the poplulist position.

Likewise, if McCain would have come out against the bail-out (right off) and suggested a non-bail out rescue plan he could have locked-up the election.

GaryPDX: I was leading to that..:) Both Factions are at fault. I say let it crash. People shouldn't be in homes they can't afford anyway and these idiots who put them there should be strung up in the public square.

I'm going to have to write this down, we actually are in agreement here.

Code_Archeologist: GaryPDX: I was leading to that..:) Both Factions are at fault. I say let it crash.

And people laughed at me when I placed a huge invested in non-perishable foodstuffs and ammunition. Who is laughing now. I am not only prepared for a zombie apocalypse, but also an economic implosion.

I have such a stash as well..:)

mrshowrules: 1) Linking the current crisis to a very old law that a Republic government could have reversed during the many years when they controlled both the executive and legislative branch

2) Labelling Obama as part of the problem through association to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when McCain's historic and present ties to these companies are far more significant (link from a real news source)

Wait. Did you *really* just say, "You can't blame the Democrats who caused this problem because the Republicans could have reversed the law?"

And, no. We're labeling Obama as part of the problem through association to Acorn, and that dude who is starting to sing now that his trial is approaching.

And, I wonder whether Bush supporting this bail-out is actually just a way for Bush to distance himself from McCain to make McCain look less Bush-like.

Roman Fyseek: mrshowrules: 1) Linking the current crisis to a very old law that a Republic government could have reversed during the many years when they controlled both the executive and legislative branch

2) Labelling Obama as part of the problem through association to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when McCain's historic and present ties to these companies are far more significant (link from a real news source)

Wait. Did you *really* just say, "You can't blame the Democrats who caused this problem because the Republicans could have reversed the law?"

And, no. We're labeling Obama as part of the problem through association to Acorn, and that dude who is starting to sing now that his trial is approaching.

And, I wonder whether Bush supporting this bail-out is actually just a way for Bush to distance himself from McCain to make McCain look less Bush-like.

That is exactly my position. The Republicans had complete and absolute control of the government for many years and did nothing to prevent the sub-prime mortgate crisis. The houses that were purchased during the Clinton era are not the ones that got forclosed upon. The bundling of crappy mortgages into mortgage securities happened under Bush's watch.

I'm not claiming the democrats aren't partly to blame but to attempt to label them as the primary cause of the current meltdown is insincere.

Bush doesn't give a fark about who will be the next president. He is pushing the bail-out to protect his rich buddies. The house republicans are finally showing some back bone.