Sources say Alberto Gonzales now claims that President Bush personally directed him to John Ashcroft's hospital room in the infamous wiretap renewal incident-and that in another instance the President asked him to fabricate fictitious notes

Color me shocked and chagrinned...

My outrage fatigue is showing.

Wait, canaries have balls?

I don't think canaries have balls, Subby. But then again, in fairness, I'm pretty sure Alberto Gonzales doesn't have them either.

Ah yes, only following orders.

What this story lacks is a victim-- not a theoretical victim like "Americans' rights" but a flesh and blood person who was illegally spied on and where the information thereby gained was used against such a person.

Any ideas?

notmtwain: What this story lacks is a victim-- not a theoretical victim like "Americans' rights" but a flesh and blood person who was illegally spied on and where the information thereby gained was used against such a person.

Any ideas?

I hear what you're saying and agree. But I'm not holding my breath.

And this story does have a victim in a different sense - Ashcroft. The man who, staunchly conservative and loopy from his condition, knew this was bogus.

notmtwain: Any ideas?

Sure: Allow DOJ lawyers access to investigate.

notmtwain: What this story lacks is a victim-- not a theoretical victim like "Americans' rights" but a flesh and blood person who was illegally spied on and where the information thereby gained was used against such a person.

Considering that the information is not only classified, but thanks to the "national security letter" anybody who may have knowledge of their own or another person's rights being violated are barred from talking about it. They cannot even present evidence of a civil rights violation in a US court of law. There may be thousands of people who have had their rights violated, but nobody but the people who were violating those rights know about it.

he's not singing, he's just doing a little CYA by bringing up Bush. Figures he can't get in trouble that way, ad it'll be hard to make anything stick to Bush. As much as I'd like to see Bush and pals tried for war crimes, sad truth is nothing will come of it.

Hey Subby

Lay off will ya? I mean seriously that is just plain cruel and malicious what you have done. Think about it dude we are talking about a poor defenseless creature that is known to save lives. C'mon what the hell did a canary ever do to you to make you compare it to Gonzales of all people?

Anyone else get the feeling there's going to be a LOT of pardons flying out the door of the White House during the first couple of weeks in January?

Lundah: Anyone else get the feeling there's going to be a LOT of pardons flying out the door of the White House during the first couple of weeks in January?

That may be exactly why we haven't seen any charges. Can't pardon something that hasn't been charged.

the charges come once Obama's people get the DOJ....Hell to pay come spring fellas

Which vice would best make a canary sing? Miami Vice?

Or should that be vise?

Can we make that literal? Please?

Wait a minute here; does this article mean that Bush has abused power? This being the first time that it has ever happened on either side of the aisle leaves me aghast and at a loss for words...

notmtwain: What this story lacks is a victim-- not a theoretical victim like "Americans' rights" but a flesh and blood person who was illegally spied on and where the information thereby gained was used against such a person.

Any ideas?


Perhaps an investigation is in order. Nah-- Nobody would ever abuse such a power.

Bush abused power? that not make sense.

wee: he's not singing, he's just doing a little CYA by bringing up Bush. Figures he can't get in trouble that way, ad it'll be hard to make anything stick to Bush. As much as I'd like to see Bush and pals tried for war crimes, sad truth is nothing will come of it.

Not so fast - read TFA. He is being a sneaky little bastard again. I may hate the man and what he stands for, but he is one hell of a bureaucrat

colbert_rules: Bush abused power? that not make sense.

He abused "powder" as well, back in the 1970's, but we were not allowed to talk about that in the campaign.

/guess Alberto's family is in hiding somewhere?

What's that splattering sound? Is that the shiat finally hitting the fan?

notmtwain: What this story lacks is a victim-- not a theoretical victim like "Americans' rights" but a flesh and blood person who was illegally spied on and where the information thereby gained was used against such a person.

Any ideas?

Wrong, because it violated the Constitution, and that makes us all victims. If you can't understand that, then please leave the country and go to China, Cuba, or North Korea where you can feel at home in the authoritarian utopia you seem to crave.

Uh oh, if they've been wiretapping me then they heard me say "George Bush can hum on my nuts". Should I be worried? I was speaking figuratively.

TommyDeuce: colbert_rules: Bush abused power? that not make sense.

He abused "powder" as well...

I wonder if he also abused a POW

When does his book come out?

TheIndependent: Wait a minute here; does this article mean that Bush has abused power? This being the first time that it has ever happened on either side of the aisle leaves me aghast and at a loss for words...

Yeah, because getting a blow job is totally comparable to starting a war that kills hundreds of thousands over false pretenses, fleecing the treasury, spying without warrants, and torturing people who are innocent (yes, it has happened to that fellow from Canada).

It's totally the same.

/Fark Independents^TM making sure the truthiness is told.

notmtwain: What this story lacks is a victim-- not a theoretical victim like "Americans' rights" but a flesh and blood person who was illegally spied on and where the information thereby gained was used against such a person.

Any ideas?

yeah, the man in an ICU bed, post-operative day #7 status post emergency cholecystectomy, sedated and weak, whose family had, according to the article, requested not to be bothered by ANYONE.

/never thought I'd defend Ashcroft as a victim
//but holy shiat, I can't believe that tried to pull that shiat.
///good for Ashcroft though. I guess I have some measure of respect for what he did. That took strength.
/respect slashies.

I can haz impeachment?

/too late, damage done

While this is simultaneously sad and amusing, does anyone here really believe it matters at all what he says?

Nothing is going to happen to Bush. He's going to be doing lines off some brown ass down in Paraguay before any of this shiat will make it before a judge.

Lundah: Anyone else get the feeling there's going to be a LOT of pardons flying out the door of the White House during the first couple of weeks in January?

They should wait until after Bush leaves office to nail all these asshats to the wall.

/including Bush
//double goes for Cheney

PsyLord: I can haz impeachment?

/too late, damage done

I firmly believe a message needs to be sent though. Future presidents need to know the shiat's going to hit the fan one way or another if they try stuff like this. Even if Bush gets a night in jail, the pictures of him going to jail would make any other president or vice president with Bush/Cheney's aspirations of power think twice before they try shiat like this again.

FTFA: An attorney for Gonzales, George J. Terwilliger III, himself a former deputy attorney general, declined to comment as well.

AHA! I knew it.

rga184: They should wait until after Bush leaves office to nail all these asshats to the wall.

/including Bush
//double goes for Cheney

Yeps. I am actually kinda shocked by this. I guess I was hoping alot of the perceived evil activities of this administration were a bit overblown but you just can't make this shiat up.

Disgruntled employee. Probably working on a book deal.

Non-story.

bikerific: Disgruntled employee. Probably working on a book deal.

if you're running the type of ship where dozens of disgruntled employees are out getting book deals about you as a boss and leader, at some point you have to start realizing you're a pretty shiatty boss and leader.

/you DO see a pattern here, dontcha?

Mors: Lundah: Anyone else get the feeling there's going to be a LOT of pardons flying out the door of the White House during the first couple of weeks in January?

That may be exactly why we haven't seen any charges. Can't pardon something that hasn't been charged.

Actually, you can (it's even been done before). The pardon power has almost no limits.

bikerific: Disgruntled employee. Probably working on a book deal.

Non-story.

I get it - it's like a haiku. My turn!
---
GOP denial. Can't get a break with Bush or McCain.

Gobama!

iaazathot: TheIndependent: Wait a minute here; does this article mean that Bush has abused power? This being the first time that it has ever happened on either side of the aisle leaves me aghast and at a loss for words...

Yeah, because getting a blow job is totally comparable to starting a war that kills hundreds of thousands over false pretenses, fleecing the treasury, spying without warrants, and torturing people who are innocent (yes, it has happened to that fellow from Canada).

It's totally the same.

/Fark IndependentsTM making sure the truthiness is told.

Oh you busted me hardcore... because I really think that most abuses of power are really a not betrayal of the public trust... particularly in the procurement of BJ's, or at least those received in a Minneapolis airport bathroom, or from madams in Alabama etc.

99% of people from both sides abuse power for fundamentally the same reason... their own gain! I just wish there was a "NEWS" tag for when stories like this break. That way it would really grab everyone's attention.

/that is all

keiverarrow: the charges come once Obama's people get the DOJ....Hell to pay come spring fellas

Which is why it is so very desperately vital to the Republicans that they win at all costs, bar none.

/ won't be surprised to see kidnappings and murder with ballots boxes burned to the ground and portions of a huddled, frightened populace.
/ Agast, but not surprised.

rga184: Lundah: Anyone else get the feeling there's going to be a LOT of pardons flying out the door of the White House during the first couple of weeks in January?

They should wait until after Bush leaves office to nail all these asshats to the wall.

/including Bush
//double goes for Cheney

They need to all be arrested the day they're leaving the white house, before they have any chance of catching a plane to a non-extraditing country.

Abner Doon: Mors: Lundah: Anyone else get the feeling there's going to be a LOT of pardons flying out the door of the White House during the first couple of weeks in January?

That may be exactly why we haven't seen any charges. Can't pardon something that hasn't been charged.

Actually, you can (it's even been done before). The pardon power has almost no limits.

True, Ford pardoned Nixon and he hadn't been brought up on any sort of criminal charges yet.

But, can Bush pardon himself?

Heh nm, seems that pardon is all powerful and can be used anyway that outgoing president deems fit.

he has no credibility now
so it doesn't matter what he says

you don't just suddenly become credible
because you've decided to stop bullshiitting

SnakeLee: wee: he's not singing, he's just doing a little CYA by bringing up Bush. Figures he can't get in trouble that way, ad it'll be hard to make anything stick to Bush. As much as I'd like to see Bush and pals tried for war crimes, sad truth is nothing will come of it.

Not so fast - read TFA. He is being a sneaky little bastard again. I may hate the man and what he stands for, but he is one hell of a bureaucrat

Hows that License to Practice Law holding up, there? Yea, one hell of a bureaucrat. So's Bill Clinton, he lost his too. They're both sneaky little bastards though.

suebhoney: But, can Bush pardon himself?

No, but I bet he'll try. Then Pox News will make so much noise the D's will puss out and not push it.

BooBoo23: Ah yes, only following orders.




PROUD

Cyberluddite: I don't think canaries have balls, Subby

They do. However, since they're usually on the inside, you can imagine that would give a canary that has them in a vice some motive.