It's not news, indeed.

submitter: She'll now have to carry it out in the open, which is technically legal in PA

And I can't buy a farking bottle of wine on a goddamn Sunday.

This state is farked up.

i can't wait to read the story when one of her kids accidentally shoots someone.

DeLeo cited a section of state law that bars the issuance of concealed-weapons permits to people who are deemed a danger to public safety based on their character and reputation. Hain showed poor judgment by wearing her gun at the game, he said

She's going to win in court I take it.

The Icelander: This state is farked up.

Yeah, but I wouldn't live anywhere else.

sepuku2: She's going to win in court I take it.

Yes. It's been done before. A gun in a holster is not a threat to public safety.

Weidbrewer: The Icelander: This state is farked up.

Yeah, but I wouldn't live anywhere else.

I'm assuming this is because you were born in PA?

She'll win at the hearing, and DeLeo will get sued and lose.

Revoking a CC permit in PA based on open carry has been litigated more than a few times in Pa., and the Sheriff always loses.

/Pa. atty and gunnie.

Tresser: i can't wait to read the story when one of her kids accidentally shoots someone.

Stop waiting. It won't happen.

Tresser: i can't wait to read the story when one of her kids accidentally shoots someone.

Mine's either on my hip or in the pistol safe, so the kids don't have access to it. Those who leave firearms unlocked are the ones who aren't serious about responsible firearms ownership. I'd bet this lady has her shiat together on that front.

She'll win in court. The Sherriff showed poor judgement in revoking her permit. So may have shown poor judgement (which is subjective) but I don't think, from the article, she demonstrated she is a danger to the public by action or reputation.

I grew up about 15 minutes east of Lebanon and walked those streets many times. Ain't the first person openly carrying a gun around those parts and won't be the last.

I'm impressed that the sheriffs in PA are passing their own laws now. Saves all that trouble with dealing with that pesky legislature.

So wait, why do I have a CCW permit then? I can just open carry??

Oh, and she needs a new holster. The one she is using is for a G19, not a G26, which is why it looks so damned big.

Toe_Knee: Tresser: i can't wait to read the story when one of her kids accidentally shoots someone.

Stop waiting. It won't happen.

But Tresser WANTS it to happen! Nice.

Better chance of the kid drowning in the neighbor's swimming pool.

Tresser: i can't wait to read the story when one of her kids accidentally shoots someone.

How do you figure that'll happen?

nitefallz: So wait, why do I have a CCW permit then? I can just open carry??

In Pa. you can OC without a permit, but the second you get into a car, your weapon is concealed, and you can be arrested unless you have a CC permit.

She's hot too!

Captain Darling: A gun in a holster is not a threat to public safety.

Is there something going on at a 5 year old's soccer game that necessitates packing heat? I'm for her right to own and carry a firearm. There is no need, none whatsoever, for her to be carrying at a soccer game. You might argue "well, what if a fight breaks out?". Um, yeh. Do you think pulling your piece (or even showing it) is a justified and reasonable response to anything except someone else pulling theirs? Put it in the car and lock your car or leave it at home.

Litig8r: nitefallz: So wait, why do I have a CCW permit then? I can just open carry??

In Pa. you can OC without a permit, but the second you get into a car, your weapon is concealed, and you can be arrested unless you have a CC permit.

Doesn't this present a problem for the chick in the article then?

How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.

GoodyearPimp: Captain Darling: A gun in a holster is not a threat to public safety.

Is there something going on at a 5 year old's soccer game that necessitates packing heat? I'm for her right to own and carry a firearm. There is no need, none whatsoever, for her to be carrying at a soccer game. You might argue "well, what if a fight breaks out?". Um, yeh. Do you think pulling your piece (or even showing it) is a justified and reasonable response to anything except someone else pulling theirs? Put it in the car and lock your car or leave it at home.

Bears? Soccer hooligans?

The Icelander: submitter: She'll now have to carry it out in the open, which is technically legal in PA

And I can't buy a farking bottle of wine on a goddamn Sunday.

That's because they don't want you showing up drunk at church, but I don't go to church. So, I stock up on Saturday.

KhamanV: How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.

If all hell breaks loose, the last thing you need to worry about is permitting. Just a thought.

KhamanV: How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.

25 bucks for the application at the local sheriff's office, and a quick background check.

Who the fark takes a handgun to a child's soccer game? I'm guessing a lot of calls went her kid's way!

Tresser: i can't wait to read the story when one of her kids accidentally shoots someone.


I bet it doesn't happen.

There are more than 200 million guns in the United States, yet in 2005 there were only 75 accidental gun deaths among children 14 and under (age range chosen to eliminate most hunting accidents).

Even if you go with a child being defined as age 0 to 17 (18 and older being an adult), the number is still vanishingly small: 127 that same year.

Her kid has a much better chance of drowning: 1,057 in 2005 (0 through 17),
Being accidentally poisoned: 457

Her kid also has a better chance of dying in a bicycle accident: 177.

Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention WISQARS Injury Mortality Report webpage.

Kids are in more danger of being hurt doing a header than a CC holder at a soccer game.

KhamanV: How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.

25 bucks at the county courthouse, one page application, 6 week wait

easy as cooking scrapple

nitefallz: Doesn't this present a problem for the chick in the article then?

Not if she takes it off and puts in an appropriate container in the prescribed manner.

GoodyearPimp: I'm for her right to own and carry a firearm.

BUUUUT..

Either you're for her right to carry or you're not. This isn't pick and choose at the Sunday buffet.

"Hain later received a notice that her permit was being revoked by Sheriff Michael DeLeo."

so important, they wrote it twice.

That's good, this is kinda hard to conceal

Wife's family is in Penn Hills/Monroeville area... One of the most depressing parts of the country - everyone is pissed all the time, but considering where they live, I can understand it...

/go-win don ton t'Primanni's an git zum iron city

The Icelander: submitter: She'll now have to carry it out in the open, which is technically legal in PA

And I can't buy a farking bottle of wine on a goddamn Sunday.

This state is farked up.

I've lived in a number of north-eastern states and I've noticed that the tougher the state is on guns, the looser it is on alcohol. So... NJ: forget about it, you can't have a gun, but liquor stores are EVERYWHERE. Ohio: About in the middle on both. You can buy Beer and Wine anywhere, but not hard alcohol. PA: Guns are prominent but you can't even buy beer and wine in the same place.

Carrying a Glock on your hip at a kids soccer game, classy.

nitefallz: So wait, why do I have a CCW permit then? I can just open carry??

CCW lets you have a loaded gun in a vehicle. Anything in a vehicle is considered "concealed".

But yes, it's perfectly legal to walk thru downtown H-Burg wearing a rifle on your back.

It's also legal to climb on your roof in a thunderstorm. It doesn't mean it's a good idea.

/Loves guns
//thinks this sheriff needs to DIAF
///and have his CCW revoked for displaying poor judgment and posing a danger to the public due to character and reputation.

GoodyearPimp: Captain Darling: A gun in a holster is not a threat to public safety.

Is there something going on at a 5 year old's soccer game that necessitates packing heat? I'm for her right to own and carry a firearm. There is no need, none whatsoever, for her to be carrying at a soccer game. You might argue "well, what if a fight breaks out?". Um, yeh. Do you think pulling your piece (or even showing it) is a justified and reasonable response to anything except someone else pulling theirs? Put it in the car and lock your car or leave it at home.

...and of course nobody has ever started shooting at school kids before, so why should she want to be able to protect her kids if it does happen there?

nitefallz: Litig8r: nitefallz: So wait, why do I have a CCW permit then? I can just open carry??

In Pa. you can OC without a permit, but the second you get into a car, your weapon is concealed, and you can be arrested unless you have a CC permit.

Doesn't this present a problem for the chick in the article then?

Sort of.

Now that her CC permit has been pulled, she'll have to unload the gun before she gets in the car, lock it in the trunk in a separate container from the ammo, drive wherever she's going, and then get out and reload.

Or just ride a motorcycle.

But like I said, she's going to beat the denial, and win the lawsuit, so she should be smiling right about now.

GoodyearPimp: Captain Darling: A gun in a holster is not a threat to public safety.

Is there something going on at a 5 year old's soccer game that necessitates packing heat? I'm for her right to own and carry a firearm. There is no need, none whatsoever, for her to be carrying at a soccer game.

It's the same need as in a church (new window), or possibly a school (new window).

The Icelander: submitter: She'll now have to carry it out in the open, which is technically legal in PA

And I can't buy a farking bottle of wine on a goddamn Sunday.

This state is farked up.

On the contrary, you can buy booze on Sunday's from 12 to 5 in PA

dothemath: Carrying a Glock on your hip at a kids soccer game, classy.

This.

She should be carrying a Sig.

GoodyearPimp: Is there something going on at a 5 year old's soccer game that necessitates packing heat? I'm for her right to own and carry a firearm. There is no need, none whatsoever, for her to be carrying at a soccer game. You might argue "well, what if a fight breaks out?". Um, yeh. Do you think pulling your piece (or even showing it) is a justified and reasonable response to anything except someone else pulling theirs? Put it in the car and lock your car or leave it at home.

If you know in advance when you will need your weapon, then you would know not to go there in the first place. PA carry permits have been revoked after guns have been taken from cars, so there is something of a catch 22 there. For my part I'd rather gun owners had control of their guns at all times - ie they should be in a holster or locked in an immobilized safe. I wouldn't leave my guns in a vehicle.

While I'm not going to ask why she carries to a kid's soccer game, I am curious as to why she didn't carry concealed. The whole point of concealed carry is so you can have the means to defend yourself without getting other people nervous about the gun on your hip.

That said, the sheriff is a dumbass. The headline could have read "Woman loses her concealed-carry permit for legally openly carrying her handgun; will now be forced to carry her handgun openly"

KhamanV: How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.

Get the forms from the county sheriff. Get them signed by your local police. Pay $47. Done.

TripcodeMel: Either you're for her right to carry or you're not. This isn't pick and choose at the Sunday buffet.

I'm also for a person's ability to choose appropriate times to carry their firearm. She seems to be unable to make the distinction.

Packing an equalizer at a kids' soccer game. Awesome. Especially because parents NEVER get irrational about the score and become threatening to the coaches or other parents.

KhamanV: How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.

If I remember correctly, you need to be Act 121 certified... or was it 141? Call your local sheriff Link (new window)

KhamanV: How difficult is it to get a CCW in PA? I've just moved to the state and have spent way too much time over in today's tin-foil thread. Thinking I might want to get some things stocked up just in case.


It depends on the county. Delaware county and Philadelphia is somewhat more difficult. Lackawanna county (where I used to live) was 25 dollars (cash) 3 references (2 non family and you'll need social security numbers with them, so that's the hard part, I guess they figure anyone who trusts you enough to give you their social will testify to your character) and you can walk out with it the same day.

How is it poor judgement to have a gun on you, especially if you have a Concealed Carry Permit?

She's minding her own business, and since other parents are freaking out over her gun, she gets her permit taken away. Makes no sense.