I can only hope this means mp3s recorded from better than 44.1khz 16 bit stereo.

At the very least we should be matching DAT.

This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy the White Album again..

Stanbot: This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy the White Album again..

Excellent reference.

However, all music should become public property after 10 years.

Stanbot: This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy the White Album again..

Damn, you beat me to it.

sloppy shoes: Stanbot: This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy the White Album again..

Excellent reference.

However, all music should become public property after 10 years.

I think an artist should be able to retain those rights within his/her/their lifetime, provided that he/she/they have exclusive rights to them, especially given the increased ability to produce and sell music directly. If sold to a record publisher, then I agree the rights should expire in a decade.

vartian: sloppy shoes: Stanbot: This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy the White Album again..

Excellent reference.

However, all music should become public property after 10 years.

I think an artist should be able to retain those rights within his/her/their lifetime, provided that he/she/they have exclusive rights to them, especially given the increased ability to produce and sell music directly. If sold to a record publisher, then I agree the rights should expire in a decade.

I could tolerate that. Though I would still put a 20 year cap on it. It would encourage artists to save a little more, and they wouldn't be able to release greatest hits albums every year with 1 extra song each time.

It would encourage artists to save a little more, and they wouldn't be able to release greatest hits albums every year with 1 extra song each time.

There's nothing quite like a consumer deciding for himself what creative artists should be allowed to do with their own work, and then wrapping that up in the guise of honest concern.

Pocket Ninja: It would encourage artists to save a little more, and they wouldn't be able to release greatest hits albums every year with 1 extra song each time.

There's nothing quite like a consumer deciding for himself what creative artists should be allowed to do with their own work, and then wrapping that up in the guise of honest concern.

If you sell it, I should be able to negotiate terms.

MP3? It fails before it happens

I'm surprised nobody's made a comment about "you mean you people still pay for your music?"

/I still pay for my music, movies, and games.
//My dad's in the Motor City Brass Band, so it's kind of a principle thing.

Kant Lavar: so it's kind of a principle thing.

Yes, I buy music because stealing is against the law. So yeah, it's kind of a principle thing for me, as well!

psshhh Vinal is where its at
it's better, sounds warmer, it hisses and pops like the artist intended.

/fark audiophiles, and vinal
//I will stick to my pirated mp3
///I convert flac to mp3's wana fight about it

I sorta predicted this a year ago... but they're going down the wrong path. Or at least an unneeded path.

mekkab: Kant Lavar: so it's kind of a principle thing.

Yes, I buy music because stealing is against the law. So yeah, it's kind of a principle thing for me, as well!

no sodomy for you then, huh?

This is sorte of silly. if it is going to be the same price as a cd, why would someone buy this over a cd?

Bob Down: MP3? It fails before it happens

Okay, what about Ogg Vorbis then?
I have a friend who never bought movies on tape or DVD, or music on CD's if he could help it, and he's ben like this for almost 15 years now. His reason: "I'm waiting for uber-cheap memory cards to hit the market... it's the final phase of stored media".

Now I believe him, but I still love my HUGE CD and DVD collection; it still plays, and it was dirt cheap from the used store & the $5 bins.

Wow, the record companies are going to sell a thumb drive with music on it, how origonal. My magic 8 ball says (shake) FAIL.

/2gig thumb drive in my pocket full of music.

Wow, the record companies are going to sell a thumb MicroSD drive with music on it, how original. My magic 8 ball says (shake) FAIL.

/2gig thumb drive in my pocket full of music.
//and a 2gig MicroSD card in my phone.

FTFM

Kant Lavar: I'm surprised nobody's made a comment about "you mean you people still pay for your music?"

I wanted to buy AC/DC's "Let There Be Rock" after hearing it on the Rock Band 2 commercial. So I went on Amazon's MP3 store. Not there. Then I went to iTunes. Also not there.

I got the feeling of going to a record store and saying "I'm here, and I'd like to buy this album" and the clerk replying "I refuse to take your money. If you want it now, you have to steal it."

sloppy shoes: However, all music should become public property after 10 years.

Fine, but if I have to give up rights to any songs I write after 10 years and abandon that income, YOU have to give away everything you own that is more than 10 years old and you have to go back to entry-level wages at whatever job you work.

Sound fair?

Most songwriters aren't gajillionaires, you know. In fact, most of them don't even make anything you'd call a living.

Flash memory? Who wants to start a betting pool for the first virus put out by the RIAA?

abb3w: Flash memory? Who wants to start a betting pool for the first virus put out by the RIAA?

It won't be a virus. It'll be a rootkit that will search your hard drive for music. And if you've got more than a few gigabytes of it, it will call home and you'll get sued.

So you have to use a USB dongle to load it on a PC? What a worthless idea.

abb3w: Flash memory? Who wants to start a betting pool for the first virus put out by the RIAA?

I'm really beginning to hear a lot about people tossing malware into music folders disguised as a playlist or an NFO file. I think it's a matter of time before something really bad happens.

This will not take off.

Music-on-a-chip missed the bus; it'll become just as irrelevant as any other physical medium.

Just as well, too. It's bad enough to see a CD cocooned in an oversized anti-shoplifting plastic case. It would be even more annoying to see a quarter-pound of plastic and cardboard wrapping a 300-milligram, sub-fingernail-sized MicroSD card.

I should add that it amuses me greatly to watch these cretins try ANYTHING except cheap downloads.

joegekko: sloppy shoes: However, all music should become public property after 10 years.

Fine, but if I have to give up rights to any songs I write after 10 years and abandon that income, YOU have to give away everything you own that is more than 10 years old and you have to go back to entry-level wages at whatever job you work.

Sound fair?

Most songwriters aren't gajillionaires, you know. In fact, most of them don't even make anything you'd call a living.

This is true. There are a lot of them who are in relatively successful bands (they play small clubs, open for some of the larger headlining acts, etc.) that still have to go home after every tour and have their day job to pay rent. Especially since they may also come home broke as hell from their personal money they put into the tour.

Sounds like a good way to push sales for micro flash readers.

Bondidude: Especially since they may also come home broke as hell from their personal money they put into the tour

So they are idiots then.

Well I guess we can officially kiss album art goodbye.

meekychuppet: Bondidude: Especially since they may also come home broke as hell from their personal money they put into the tour

So they are idiots then.

It takes money to make money. What, you think every entrepreneur gets started with an angel investor? That banks make business loans for small businessmen not expecting any collateral?

If you're starting a business, you have to take on some personal risk. For a songwriter on tour, that risk is in the form of betting that the promotion provided by the tour will pay out in popularity.

Pxtl: meekychuppet: Bondidude: Especially since they may also come home broke as hell from their personal money they put into the tour

So they are idiots then.

It takes money to make money. What, you think every entrepreneur gets started with an angel investor? That banks make business loans for small businessmen not expecting any collateral?

If you're starting a business, you have to take on some personal risk. For a songwriter on tour, that risk is in the form of betting that the promotion provided by the tour will pay out in popularity.

This is true.

Also this comes with lacking tour support from loan sharks music labels, along with a lot of them doing it for the love of the music, and not the money in the end. At least in the short run.

Getting into the music business is a big roll of the dice, it just depends on if you get lucky and how badly you want it.

Bondidude: Especially since they may also come home broke as hell from their personal money they put into the tour.

My band has lost money on every show we have played. We're not 'doing it wrong', that's simply how it works when you play your own music.

When some doofus comes along and says something ridiculous like 'music should become public property after 10 years', it's like they are spitting in my face.

joegekko: Bondidude: Especially since they may also come home broke as hell from their personal money they put into the tour.

My band has lost money on every show we have played. We're not 'doing it wrong', that's simply how it works when you play your own music.

When some doofus comes along and says something ridiculous like 'music should become public property after 10 years', it's like they are spitting in my face.

I think however for the most part they're just pissed that the guy who wrote "Funky Town" still gets royalties from it. Now should the children and the children's children of the guy who wrote Funky Town get royalties? No, I don't think so.

I've never been there myself, but I have known a few serious musicians in my day, I met a few of them at school, booked a few of them when I worked at the Student Center, etc. They know how it works, you have to spend most of your time struggling to make it, barely making rent, losing money on shows, having jobs on the side to pay bills, all in the name of getting your name out there and your music heard.

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: psshhh Vinal is where its at
it's better, sounds warmer, it hisses and pops like the artist intended.

/fark audiophiles, and vinal
//I will stick to my pirated mp3
///I convert flac to mp3's wana fight about it

What the hell is "vinal"? Are you drooling as you type or something?

Old enough to know better: Well I guess we can officially kiss album art goodbye.

Album art? I just hope they have enough space to print the name of the band and the name of the album on the cards. I can already envision coming back from a business trip and finding a pile of 15 unmarked microSD cards on one side of the stereo and 15 cases on the other because no one in my family can be bothered to put the first album away before they listen to the second.

Whats that sound? Is that... death throes?

Great! Now I have Funkytown stuck in my head... I hates you!!!h!h!hh!

Bondidude: I think however for the most part they're just pissed that the guy who wrote "Funky Town" still gets royalties from it. Now should the children and the children's children of the guy who wrote Funky Town get royalties? No, I don't think so.

I'm in favor of 'life of the artist plus' laws. That gets screwy if something is written as a work-for-hire (where the hire-er gets listed as the songwriter for royalty purposes), but in general that's my qualified take on it.

What is interesting is that we still call them albums.

But this is a stop gap, unless you're allowed to load your own music via some type of kiosk.

iTunes and the others are the future. Maybe an iTunes kiosk?

Wake me up when they offer HQ HD movies on some type of flash media/rom chip and I'll bite.

joegekko: That gets screwy if something is written as a work-for-hire (where the hire-er gets listed as the songwriter for royalty purposes), but in general that's my qualified take on it.

At the same time, it was still that person's creative energy that went into the song. They should get the royalties for their work regardless of who performs it.

Writer gets writer credit and money, performer gets performer credit and money. If they do both, more money for them!

rob.d: What is interesting is that we still call them albums.

Not really that interesting, since...

S: (n) album, record album (one or more recordings issued together; originally released on 12-inch phonograph records (usually with attractive record covers) and later on cassette audiotape and compact disc)

..in audio, an album is the collection, not the media.

Bondidude: At the same time, it was still that person's creative energy that went into the song. They should get the royalties for their work regardless of who performs it.

'Work-for-hire' means that the work (song, in this case) was written under contract for a third party. The songwriter forgoes the possibility of future royalties for cash on the barrelhead. This is how most jingles and whatnot are written.

my goal is to move all my media (VHS tapes, audio cassettes CDs DVDs, hell even books and magazines) to either Hard Drive or SD cards) so I'm getting a kick out of these replies




/still think this is the coolest MP3 player I've seen recently
//coolest part is it will play in a regular tape deck
///has been known to edit MP3s to put tape hiss back in
///retro Walkman biatches!

meh, I've been expecting it at some point.


Just glad that it's finally starting.

But the thing is, I haven't bought an actual CD in years now, I've bought all my music online.

And I actually don't miss the physical media, and the thing is, after I transferred all my CDs to my computer a few years ago, they were put in a box and brought in the basement.

While we all have a stereo in each bedroom (mine and the kids'), they all have a cable to the aux. for their MP3 players.

I just wish that they'd make more new systems with SD card slots or something.

I just think that they should have used regular SD cards instead of the mini/micro version, while I see how they think that people will use them directly in their phones and such, I just think that it's too small a format and that most people will have a much higher capacity card already.

joegekko: Bondidude: At the same time, it was still that person's creative energy that went into the song. They should get the royalties for their work regardless of who performs it.

'Work-for-hire' means that the work (song, in this case) was written under contract for a third party. The songwriter forgoes the possibility of future royalties for cash on the barrelhead. This is how most jingles and whatnot are written.

Ahhh, okay.

Comment withdrawn.

joegekko: Fine, but if I have to give up rights to any songs I write after 10 years and abandon that income, YOU have to give away everything you own that is more than 10 years old and you have to go back to entry-level wages at whatever job you work.

Sound fair?

Most songwriters aren't gajillionaires, you know. In fact, most of them don't even make anything you'd call a living.


This.

Or how about relate it to a regular job/office project...

A team of people work on an project for 6 months; for example, a research project where the researched information going to be sold to a client.
When it's ready to be presented, someone mentions that all the work somehow got out onto the internet and has lost it's value - because now everyone has access to it for free...

That's cool, right? I mean it's "The Internet".. and, everybody, no matter what line of work they're in, should be accepting of this new technology that runs the risk of whatever you're working on getting out there and becoming fair game for anyone else...

/rrrrrighhhht?