Oh, sweet farking Jesus, let this be true.

A little oversight would be nice, thank you. You know, a panel of individuals to watch over all that cash? Thanks.

It would be nice.

Don't worry, they'll cave in due time.

SchlingFocker: Oh, sweet farking Jesus, let this be true.

you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

jonasborg: Don't worry, they'll cave in due time.

I'm sure the Reps will offer them some pork to allow for more welfare handouts as a bribe.

i'm really relieved the democrats realize what a huge pile of shiat the proposed bill is.

cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

Looks like high-ranking Democrats might have spines after all

Nah, the're just following their MO of taking whatever GWB says, saying it's wrong and we should do the opposite. That they appear to have spines is merely coincidental in this case.

Isotope: Nah, the're just following their MO of taking whatever GWB says, saying it's wrong and we should do the opposite. That they appear to have spines is merely coincidental in this case.

well, if you're gonna have an MO, this one will definitely put you on the better side of an argument more often than not.

SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

It's not socialism. They only want to socialize losses. The profits , on the other hand, are still very, very privatized.

SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

we are completely through the looking glass.

for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

Skail: It's not socialism. They only want to socialize losses. The profits , on the other hand, are still very, very privatized.

not for fannie or freddie, or 80% of AIG. those are pretty much fully socialized at this point.

Isotope: Looks like high-ranking Democrats might have spines after all

Nah, the're just following their MO of taking whatever GWB says, saying it's wrong and we should do the opposite. That they appear to have spines is merely coincidental in this case.

The majority of the world, as well as the U.S., currently shares the opinion that anything George Bush thinks is a good idea should be scrutinized.

This is a good call by the Democrats no matter how you look at it.

I don't care who it is, I just want some real debate and oversight over this.

vartian: The majority of the world, as well as the U.S., currently shares the opinion that anything George Bush thinks is a good idea should be scrutinized.

This is a good call by the Democrats no matter how you look at it.

It absolutely should be scrutinized and overseen. On the other hand, it seems like a big, expensive government bailout of some kind is necessary. When Greenspan is saying this situation is a "once in a century" event and Bernanke is telling Congress that if they don't act, we're looking at a 1931 scale bank crash, something has to be done.

burndtdan: for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

could be worse.

At least he hasn't attacked Iran.... yet.

Good for her to say so... but if they actually stand up to this, and make it stick, I will eat my own shoe. Never gonna happen in a million years.

"We will not simply hand over a $700 billion blank check to Wall Street and hope for a better outcome. Democrats will act responsibly to insulate Main Street from Wall Street

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking vicodin...I'm stone cold sober and Pelosi is talking sense.

Dear lord, this country is in deep shiat if the DEMOCRATS are the ones urging fiscal restraint.

patrick767: When Greenspan is saying this situation is a "once in a century" event

fark it, if even GREENSPAN is saying its time to act,t hen obviously some action si necessary.

That said, I'm with Pelosi on this (how rare is THAT?).
You just can't give Bush and Wall St. a blank check and expect things to turn out well. Not when it was them who got us into the mess in the first place.

patrick767: When Greenspan is saying this situation is a "once in a century" event and Bernanke is telling Congress that if they don't act, we're looking at a 1931 scale bank crash, something has to be done.

If we don't suffer, we won't learn from our mistakes.

Borrowing $700B simply passes the buck on to the next generation.

SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

I think we're in bizzaro world, that's what I think.

I hate our government. They're insane. Hold me.

SilentStrider: burndtdan: for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

could be worse.

At least he hasn't attacked Iran.... yet.

he's still got time.

but i think that would be kind of a lame ending. i mean, he's already ruined our foreign policy in every imaginable way. and he's got the economy.

what other area has he left relatively intact? that's where he should strike next.

if he's gonna go out by starting a war, he'd get more bang for his buck by launching a few missles at moscow.

burndtdan: if he's gonna go out by starting a war, he'd get more bang for his buck by launching a few missles at moscow.

don't tempt him.

MorrisBird: I hate our government. They're insane. Hold me.

All I know is that it's really really strange to see Pelosi be the one to take a stand against the fed grabbing more money and power.

Weaver95: SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

I think we're in bizzaro world, that's what I think.

I think you're right. Farking insane, is what it is.

Weaver95: All I know is that it's really really strange to see Pelosi be the one to take a stand against the fed grabbing more money and power.

she's SAYING she'll take a stand. I'll believe it'll actually happen when she actually does it.
She's bent over backwards for Bush & Co. far too often for me to be optimistic.

cmunic8r99: Isotope: Nah, the're just following their MO of taking whatever GWB says, saying it's wrong and we should do the opposite. That they appear to have spines is merely coincidental in this case.

well, if you're gonna have an MO, this one will definitely put you on the better side of an argument more often than not.

Thing is, they keep caving every time they do it.
So in the end, they have no side at all and the Republicans always win.

The things they want:

1.) Independent oversight.
2.) Some sort of protection for the homeowners that were misled into this crisis.
3.) The money not to go to Executive "Golden Parachute" packages.

Seems fair to me.

SchlingFocker: Weaver95: SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

I think we're in bizzaro world, that's what I think.

I think you're right. Farking insane, is what it is.

I have no idea what the market is going to do at opening bell tomorrow morning, but it'll be interesting to watch.

SilentStrider: burndtdan: for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

could be worse.

At least he hasn't attacked Iran.... yet.

Where have you been? We started doing military operations in Iran a couple of weeks ago expressly without the permission of the Iranian government, and it retaliated by saying that it considered this an act of war. Google news it, man.

xiaodown: Seems fair to me.

and to anyone that has a brain.

having a brain is not a pre-requisite (and is often a hindrance) when working on Wall Street or in DC.

Weaver95: "We will not simply hand over a $700 billion blank check to Wall Street and hope for a better outcome. Democrats will act responsibly to insulate Main Street from Wall Street

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking vicodin...I'm stone cold sober and Pelosi is talking sense.

Dear lord, this country is in deep shiat if the DEMOCRATS are the ones urging fiscal restraint.

Yes, the same Democrats who under Clinton delivered balanced budgets for the first time in thirty years.

As compared to the Republicans, under Reagan and Bush I & Bush II, consistently delivered deficit spending year after year.

Fiscal restraint ain't a Rep or Dem thing. Both overspend, but in different ways.

patrick767:

It absolutely should be scrutinized and overseen. On the other hand, it seems like a big, expensive government bailout of some kind is necessary. When Greenspan is saying this situation is a "once in a century" event and Bernanke is telling Congress that if they don't act, we're looking at a 1931 scale bank crash, something has to be done.

Hang the bankers.

They damn well better nix this plan. Let the markets bleed out their poison. We all take a hit, but it's the only way.

cmunic8r99: well, if you're gonna have an MO, this one will definitely put you on the better side of an argument more often than not.

True--that way you'll have at least 60% of America on your side.

Quit the farking war, save 10 bil a month or whatever it is.

Bill Halliburton and KBR for the lost billions they have already had.

Fix budget failure in a jiffy if we start holding defense liars accountable for the money they bilk America out of in the name of Patriotism.

Generation_D: Quit the farking war, save 10 bil a month or whatever it is.


shiat - just make cannabis legal and we'd save billions per fiscal quarter.

burndtdan: SilentStrider: burndtdan: for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

could be worse.

At least he hasn't attacked Iran.... yet.

he's still got time.

but i think that would be kind of a lame ending. i mean, he's already ruined our foreign policy in every imaginable way. and he's got the economy.

what other area has he left relatively intact? that's where he should strike next.

if he's gonna go out by starting a war, he'd get more bang for his buck by launching a few missles at moscow.

And just for extra fun, out of Poland.

burndtdan: SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

we are completely through the looking glass.

for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

jon stewart. Well alrighty then, I'm convinced.

xiaodown: tection for the homeowners that were misled into this crisis.
3.) The money not to go to Executive "Golden Parachute" packages.



Better idea.
1. Give the execs a parachute.
2. Put them into a plane.
3. Drop them over that garbage pile in the middle of the Pacific.
4. Let them swim back, they make it back they get their money, they don't then we are better off.

NewportBarGuy: They damn well better nix this plan. Let the markets bleed out their poison. We all take a hit, but it's the only way.

Look, I agree with you in practice. Ok? Most of us do.

The thing is we're WAAAAAY past that. If someone in your family borrows $10,000 from a bank and can't pay it back, yeah I agree, the right thing to do might be to let them live with the consequences of their actions... declare bankruptcy, have their possessions repossessed, etc.

We're so far past that, now, that more drastic measures are the only thing that's going to save the country as a whole. Think about it that way - your neighbor borrowed $500,000 from a loan shark, and if he doesn't pay back, the loan shark is going to kill his family and then all his neighbors. Wallow in the mess that's been made? Or pay the guy off for the greater good?

We can NOT let this crisis go on unattended. Even if "you" aren't going to be hurt - even if you can pay your reasonable mortgage, and there's no financial hardship on your end, if this is allowed to continue after the collapse of AIG, we are headed for some MAJOR bad times. I'm talking 30%+ unemployment, starvation, no jobs, massive layoffs, homelessness, grapes of wrath kind of shiat. And it will affect everyone, make no mistake, this is a worldwide crisis. "You made the bed, you lie in it" only works if the bed is only for one. We all made this bed, and we're all going to lie in it unless drastic measures are taken.

I don't like it any more than you do, but we have to do something.

NewportBarGuy: They damn well better nix this plan. Let the markets bleed out their poison. We all take a hit, but it's the only way.

We all take a hit either way--it's a matter of how we end up afterwards. Perhaps they're betting on us taking our hit and having a more-or-less intact financial system when the dust settles rather than having to build something new from scratch...of course, at this point starting over from scratch looks somewhat appealing.

TheDumbBlonde: burndtdan: SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

we are completely through the looking glass.

for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

jon stewart. Well alrighty then, I'm convinced.

Yeah, Jon Stewart. The guy who grilled Tony Blair for 10 minutes straight for his support of the Iraq war on Friday. Who have you been watching instead?

robot monkey: TheDumbBlonde: burndtdan: SchlingFocker: cmunic8r99: you know, i'm not the most liberal person on the planet, but

As sad as it is, the libs are the only ones able to stop this socialistic nonsense Bush wants to push through.

we are completely through the looking glass.

for months, jon stewart has been predicting that bush was gonna do one last major fark up to go out with a bang. looks like he was right.

jon stewart. Well alrighty then, I'm convinced.

Yeah, Jon Stewart. The guy who grilled Tony Blair for 10 minutes straight for his support of the Iraq war on Friday. Who have you been watching instead?

Call me crazy, but I don't look to comedians for news. Wild isn't it?

Weaver95: Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking vicodin...I'm stone cold sober and Pelosi is talking sense.



I'm right there with ya, buddy.

TheDumbBlonde: Call me crazy, but I don't look to comedians for news. Wild isn't it?

why not?
Its not like he can be any worse than CNN, MSNBC, or Fox.

Weaver95: MorrisBird: I hate our government. They're insane. Hold me.

All I know is that it's really really strange to see Pelosi be the one to take a stand against the fed grabbing more money and power.

It's as if the tired cliches about each side of the aisle are mostly bullshiat.

TheDumbBlonde: Call me crazy, but I don't look to comedians for news. Wild isn't it?

Oddly enough, he seems to be better at interviewing people than most news reporters.