Where's the cartoon in question?

DamnYankees: Where's the cartoon in question?

seconded

Atillathepun: DamnYankees: Where's the cartoon in question?

seconded

Found it, I think:

They're pissed cause there's a degree of truth to it.

I grew up in the Pentecostal church.

There's a reason I'm now an atheist.

I like how the cartoonist refers to god as 'sir'. Kinda hot.

I love the "my friends" part :)

Lol-
I thought it was funny.

Taken out of context, any one ritual that a religion does can be seen as weird. Speaking in tongues is a bit out there, but so is studying for years to read out of a scroll in a dying language.

So, it is kind of a low blow. However, she should have to account for why she said "God wants a natural gas pipeline running through Alaska," and ask her if she thinks if it was right to inject a political message that has nothing to do with sanctity of life or anything theological or moral, into a religious sermon.

""The Washington Post would not think of printing a cartoon that mocked members of the Muslim or Jewish faiths,"

He's an overreacting religious nutjob but he does have a point there.

Mugato: "The Washington Post would not think of printing a cartoon that mocked members of the Muslim or Jewish faiths,"

but his sermons sure would

AG superintendent Wood criticized the political cartoon for not only revealing the cartoonist's lack of understanding of Pentecostal beliefs, but of God.

The cartoonist portrayed God as cranky, befuddled, a user of profanity and not omniscient.




these people are religion-autistic.

Etchy333: Taken out of context, any one ritual that a religion does can be seen as weird. Speaking in tongues is a bit out there, but so is studying for years to read out of a scroll in a dying language.

So, it is kind of a low blow. However, she should have to account for why she said "God wants a natural gas pipeline running through Alaska," and ask her if she thinks if it was right to inject a political message that has nothing to do with sanctity of life or anything theological or moral, into a religious sermon.

How is studying a language in order to read something weird?

The cartoonist Bible portrayed God as cranky, befuddled, a user of profanity and not omniscient.

FTFY

/maybe not profanity
//surely not omniscient
///definitely cranky

"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."

"She looked in my eyes and said, 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.'"

Nope, not a nutjob (new window) at all. Just potential ruler of the free world.

"The cartoon is despicable," decried Assemblies of God's chief executive officer, George O. Wood, in a statement Friday. "Millions of Christians today follow the example of first century Christians who prayed in other tongues.

Millions of Christians are insane.

"The Washington Post would not think of printing a cartoon that mocked members of the Muslim or Jewish faiths," he charged. "It should be ashamed."

Oh go burn down an embassy.

That's offensive? No its not.

That's hilarious.

DamnYankees: How is studying a language in order to read something weird?

Ehh, it's not the best example. I'm tired.

How about smashing a glass to celebrate a wedding? Or "sacrificing" some wafers to re-enact some night that may have happened 2,000 years ago? Or praying five times a day towards a certain geographic point? Point is you can't really condemn a religious ceremony for being strange without saying that all religion is stupid and strange.

That may be the mantra of the Fark Atheist, but most thinking people are more tolerant.

Neurologically speaking (heh), "speaking in tongues" has an awful lot in common with an epileptic seizure.

Also of note: prefrontal cortex (major structure for cognition) activity goes way down, while amygdala (emotional response)activity goes way up.

But that's just a scientific view.

Etchy333: Point is you can't really condemn a religious ceremony for being strange without saying that all religion is stupid and strange.

All religion is stupid and strange, to various degrees.

Etchy333: How about smashing a glass to celebrate a wedding? Or "sacrificing" some wafers to re-enact some night that may have happened 2,000 years ago? Or praying five times a day towards a certain geographic point? Point is you can't really condemn a religious ceremony for being strange without saying that all religion is stupid and strange.

That may be the mantra of the Fark Atheist, but most thinking people are more tolerant.

I'm also an atheist, but I disagree. I think there's a serious difference between a tradition and a ritual. Breaking the glass is a tradition - a cultural thing which Jews do. I think saying "all religious actions are irrational", while true, ignores the fact that its not binary. Certain actions are weird, but other actions are a whole lot weirder. You need to take into account the degree of disconnect between the act and the goal, the underlying reasoning, and the depth of the conviction. Speaking in tongues is among the weirdest of all religious beliefs because (1) the connection between the act and the desired effect is so tenuous, (2) the underlying rationale is ridiculous and (3) the intensely personal and emotional reaction to it is extreme.

There are probably other factors you can throw in to judge how weird an action is, but those are 3 I can think of.

co-conspirator: Also of note: prefrontal cortex (major structure for cognition) activity goes way down, while amygdala (emotional response)activity goes way up.

Were they speaking in tongues while locked inside a PET scan?

Etchy333: Were they speaking in tongues while locked inside a PET scan?

Yes, they were. The technique is called "SPECT"

ninjakirby & DamnYankees

I guess, it's all a matter of degree, it's just there is SO much to get Palin on, it's a real disappointment when something like this is used and then she can hide behind the "victim" card.

To fake it in movies you're supposed to say "She bought a Hyundai" over and over.

Etchy333: ninjakirby & DamnYankees

I guess, it's all a matter of degree, it's just there is SO much to get Palin on, it's a real disappointment when something like this is used and then she can hide behind the "victim" card.

This is the stuff which scares the shiat out of me. This, to me, is the important stuff. This is the stuff which tells me she doesn't think critically and has no sense of reality. The examples of her governance are merely symptoms.

co-conspirator: Yes, they were. The technique is called "SPECT"

I would be a bit curious as to how they came to the conclusions. Usually speaking in tongues involves hopping around, jumping, doing something that would disrupt a scan. I'm sure they had control patients set up and did everything right, but still, I could see a lot of challenges here.

DamnYankees: Speaking in tongues is among the weirdest of all religious beliefs because (1) the connection between the act and the desired effect is so tenuous, (2) the underlying rationale is ridiculous and (3) the intensely personal and emotional reaction to it is extreme.

There are probably other factors you can throw in to judge how weird an action is, but those are 3 I can think of.

If I may - nail, head, hit, you.

"Homoeopathic magic is founded on the association of ideas by similarity: contagious magic is founded on the association of ideas by contiguity. Homoeopathic magic commits the mistake of assuming that things which resemble each other are the same: contagious magic commits the mistake of assuming that things which have once been in contact with each other are always in contact. But in practice the two branches are often combined; or, to be more exact, while homoeopathic or imitative magic may be practised by itself, contagious magic will generally be found to involve an application of the homoeopathic or imitative principle. Thus generally stated the two things may be a little difficult to grasp, but they will readily become intelligible when they are illustrated by particular examples. Both trains of thought are in fact extremely simple and elementary. It could hardly be otherwise, since they are familiar in the concrete, though certainly not in the abstract, to the crude intelligence not only of the savage, but of ignorant and dull-witted people everywhere. Both branches of magic, the homoeopathic and the contagious, may conveniently be comprehended under the general name of Sympathetic Magic, since both assume that things act on each other at a distance through a secret sympathy, the impulse being transmitted from one to the other by means of what we may conceive as a kind of invisible ether, not unlike that which is postulated by modern science for a precisely similar purpose, namely, to explain how things can physically affect each other through a space which appears to be empty."

There are many traditions which are simply traditions - I seriously doubt many Jewish people sincerely believe that the breaking of the glass has some emphereal connection to the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem. They just do it because thats what they do, and it's a convenient way to let everyone know its time to yell "Mazel Tov!".

Glossolalia is a ritual of a different breed. These people truly believe there is some obscured/hidden/mysterious action taking place here that is allowed them to speak in some unknown holy language directly to God.

Are both traditions weird and nonsensical? Yeah, so are many things. But the degree of nonsense is hugely disparate.


Sir James George Frazer (1854-1941). The Golden Bough. 1922.

DamnYankees: This is the stuff which scares the shiat out of me. This, to me, is the important stuff. This is the stuff which tells me she doesn't think critically and has no sense of reality. The examples of her governance are merely symptoms.

I wouldn't worry too much. Even if she gets in, McCain croaks, and we have a Palin administration, the fact that all politicians are bought and paid for by corporations is actually comforting at this point.

Bush would never do anything to endanger the status quo and neither would Palin. We can blame Bush for quagmire of the Iraq war, but he didn't get there just out of spite for Saddam.

Etchy333: DamnYankees: This is the stuff which scares the shiat out of me. This, to me, is the important stuff. This is the stuff which tells me she doesn't think critically and has no sense of reality. The examples of her governance are merely symptoms.

I wouldn't worry too much. Even if she gets in, McCain croaks, and we have a Palin administration, the fact that all politicians are bought and paid for by corporations is actually comforting at this point.

Bush would never do anything to endanger the status quo and neither would Palin. We can blame Bush for quagmire of the Iraq war, but he didn't get there just out of spite for Saddam.

You put far too much faith in ignorant zealots.

DamnYankees: This, to me, is the important stuff. This is the stuff which tells me she doesn't think critically and has no sense of reality.

Well TFA does say that she hasn't admitted to performing glossolalia, and I haven't read anything substantive saying she does. It's all speculation - though 25 years in a church, I'm sure she's done it before. Personally, I think the weirdest thing her ex-church does is 'cell-phone anointing', which you can probably find on the internet someplace, but most of the videos have been pulled citing copywrite violation.

ninjakirby: DamnYankees: This, to me, is the important stuff. This is the stuff which tells me she doesn't think critically and has no sense of reality.

Well TFA does say that she hasn't admitted to performing glossolalia, and I haven't read anything substantive saying she does. It's all speculation - though 25 years in a church, I'm sure she's done it before. Personally, I think the weirdest thing her ex-church does is 'cell-phone anointing', which you can probably find on the internet someplace, but most of the videos have been pulled citing copywrite violation.

Can you describe it?

I found this at the top right corner of that page and chuckled. Maybe they should convince McPalin to follow it: "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)"

Etchy333: "That may be the mantra of the Fark Atheist, but most thinking people are more tolerant."

Most thinking people are atheists.

Somebody should make a cartoon with a golden elephant and Bush on fire or something.

Since nobody has pointed this out-

There are no riots.

There are no death threats.

Couldn't say the same if it was a cartoon mocking The Religion of Peace^TM

Mugato: ""The Washington Post would not think of printing a cartoon that mocked members of the Muslim or Jewish faiths,"

He's an overreacting religious nutjob but he does have a point there.

They only wouldn't because the Muslims would bomb them and HAVEN'T THE JEWS BEEN THROUGH ENOUGH?

Kidding aside, the only reason glossololia isn't looked upon with the same disdain as faith healers... wait. The reason it isn't looked upon with the same disdain as snake handlers... dammit. Okay, it's not my fault the stupid shiat crazy white people do in the name of religion isn't considered "valid" when if you do the exact same thing but not in the name of Jesus you're considered utterly farking crazy.

fenrael23: I found this at the top right corner of that page and chuckled. Maybe they should convince McPalin to follow it: "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)"

Didn't you get the memo? The only Bible verses that matter are the ones that talk about how fags can't marry.

That's funny. The headline would almost seem to imply that fundamentalist evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims are different in some way.


/cue Christians being oppressed pie-chart

Bigots got the right to draw and laugh at bigoted cartoons. Others got the right to criticize the bigots who draw and laugh at bigoted cartoons.

I just wish she were a snake handler so I read the defense of that time honored tradition

Is it funny? No.

Is it offensive? No.



But it's involving Christians, so no one is going to be beheaded.

The pastor is an attention whore.

Etchy333: Usually speaking in tongues involves hopping around, jumping,

That's actually a bit of a stereotype. Glossolalia can range from what you describe at one extreme, down toward something that's almost like how Quakers sit quietly, waiting for inspiration to speak at meeting.

Our brains do lots of strange meatware things and our consciousness, which tries to ride that bucking bronco, often attributes weird meanings to them.

Gee when the christians start bombing places, cutting off heads, and calling for the death of the artist maybe your anti christian rhetoric will be apt. in the meantime, your point is bullshiat

Well dear, you always wanted a compact

Milpool: Gee when the christians start bombing places, cutting off heads, and calling for the death of the artist maybe your anti christian rhetoric will be apt.

Until then, let's FOAM AT THE MOUTH!

Milpool: Gee when the christians start bombing places, cutting off heads, and calling for the death of the artist maybe your anti christian rhetoric will be apt. in the meantime, your point is bullshiat

So you want to wait until start dying before we pay attention?

co-conspirator: Neurologically speaking (heh), "speaking in tongues" has an awful lot in common with an epileptic seizure.

Also of note: prefrontal cortex (major structure for cognition) activity goes way down, while amygdala (emotional response)activity goes way up.

But that's just a scientific view.

AH! Thank you!
I did wonder what the brain activity of someone allegedly speaking in tongues would resemble if one was able to compare it with some other...well...best I can call it is 'out of control' behavior.
That video looked as though the people were purposefully working themselves up into something very like hysterics.

Crude: Is it funny? No.

Is it offensive? No.



But it's involving Christians, so no one is going to be beheaded.

The pastor is an attention whore.

Milpool: Gee when the christians start bombing places, cutting off heads, and calling for the death of the artist maybe your anti christian rhetoric will be apt. in the meantime, your point is bullshiat