"On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

Yes, picking up trash is reserved for the proletariat. Why should I have to clean up after myself?

Yes there is a whole lot of nothing to be outraged right there- the wingnuts will be so happy.

Manhigh: Yes, picking up trash is reserved for the proletariat. Why should I have to clean up after myself?

Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Molavian: Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Ah yes - "I got mine, fark you go get your own." Way to put "country first."

STAY THE COURSE

What a sad world we live in where a leader heeding advice and constantly evolving their policies to match a constantly changing world would be seen as a negative attribute.

Manhigh: "On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

Yes, picking up trash is reserved for the proletariat. Why should I have to clean up after myself?

Just more mocking of community service. It's sad.

Bored Horde: What a sad world we live in where a leader heeding advice and constantly evolving their policies to match a constantly changing world would be seen as a negative attribute.

Change, evidently, frightens us. We'll get over it.

Just Stay The Course! Everything will be Okay!

DamnYankees: Manhigh: "On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

Yes, picking up trash is reserved for the proletariat. Why should I have to clean up after myself?

Just more mocking of community service. It's sad.


If there's one thing Republicans can't stand, it's the thought of people thinking about ANYTHING other than themselves. And if there's two things they can't stand, the second is "Politicians who can form new decisions based on new information." No, what Republicans want is someone like George Bush, who sticks with his decisions no matter how wrong they're later proven to be.

LocalCynic: Molavian: Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Ah yes - "I got mine, fark you go get your own." Way to put "country first."

Case One: Graduate at the top of your class from Harvard, instead of going into private industry and making millions, take a low paying job to help out a disadvantaged community voice their grievances.

Case Two: Bounce around four colleges before graduating, get a job as Mayor, start charging rape victims for rape kits and run your town into the ground by building a needless $20,000,000 sports complex so your kids can play hockey in style.

John McCain would tell you that Case Two is his kind of Country First.

OR...it could be that the Obama camp cares about accurately portraying their plans and policies so they cleaned up some areas that could be misconstrued by their opponent...an opponent who likes to "fib" about things.

Plus imagine that...a candidate expecting people to work and volunteer to make their country a better place in exchange for tax credits that they can use to make their own lives better.

OH NOES!!!1!

Seriously how did this get greenlit?

Sounds like he's becoming more centrist - which is fine by me. Thats why I'd rather vote for him than anyone else. I'm sick of things like the Government both bailing out the financial industry on one hand and doing nothing from preventing the mess in the other.

Fiscal conservatism (the reason I'm a Republican) was thrown out the window year ago. McCain has pulled in essence a "trick" to prove he's all about reform - but we all damn well know the VP is generally nothing more that a puppet. So its change and reform, but not really.

No thanks - If we're going to give handouts out, I'd rather it be for social issues instead of business ones. Bailing out corporations for their dumbass decisions IS welfare. The government should have bailed out the small shareholders, policy owners, etc and let the large shareholders and company take a bath while throwing the executives in jail under S-Ox laws.

So I'm voting for Obama. I wish he'd picked a fresh face for himself (someone like Palin) because that would have looked like a move that a genuine reformer would make. It would be believable.

If he screws up, everyone will be so pissed off hopefully that we'll get a real 3rd party out of the deal since centrists will distrust both Republicans and Democrats. If he doesnt, then good for him (and us).

It's news, but it's Slate. Weird...

/clearly did not RTFA

FTA:"Obama could take a lesson from McCain's calciferous Web site. Mild, vague platitudes. Strong, meaningless adjectives. No details."

Words cannot express how much I hate this "journalist." Yes, please, let's elect our candidates based on nothing but their vaguely worded desire to be the bestest president ever.

This is nothing compared to McCain (new window)

Man, if old people figure out how to use the internet Obama is farked

Corpus Delecti: If there's one thing Republicans can't stand, it's the thought of people thinking about ANYTHING other than themselves. And if there's two things they can't stand, the second is "Politicians who can form new decisions based on new information." No, what Republicans want is someone like George Bush, who sticks with his decisions no matter how wrong they're later proven to be.

The GOP hates government doing things and advocated communities and charities helping people rather than a government service. So when Obama literally does that, he gets mocked.

GOP politics is so hateful and empty of ideas and principle it is nauseating that we keep voting for it.

Further more, SUBTARD, if Obama is talking about these so-called "changes" on his WEBSITE, how does that suddenly become "hoped you wouldn't notice" once it hits your tiny pea-brain?

MorrisBird: Bored Horde: What a sad world we live in where a leader heeding advice and constantly evolving their policies to match a constantly changing world would be seen as a negative attribute.

Change, evidently, frightens us. We'll get over it.

Rigidity to ideas and resistance to change are characteristics found most prominently in conservatism. There was a neat article about it a few years ago in in the journal Psychological Review.

Jost, J.T., et al. (2003). Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition. Psychological Review, vol.129(no.3), p.339-375.

McCain had another big flip yesterday when he announced he no longer supported privatizing Social Security.

gee imagine that. he wants to slam Obama on judgment and yet he voted for the war in Iraq. For the Enron loophole,for the deregulation of the lending industry and tried to get social security privatized.
Just a few of McCain's bad judgments.

Surge

AnotherSithForMcCain: Man, if old people figure out how to use the internet Obama is farked

If older voters started using the internet, they'd end up on Facebook and WoW, and would miss voting because they had a raid that day.

Manhigh: On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

"And so, in my State of the- State of the Union- or state- my speech--- whatever you want to call it, I asked Americans to give 4,000 years--- 4,000 years over the next--- the rest of your life- of service to America."-

Bored Horde: STAY THE COURSE

What a sad world we live in where a leader heeding advice and constantly evolving their policies to match a constantly changing world would be seen as a negative attribute.


I don't think it could be said better...


Bored Horde: LocalCynic: Molavian: Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Ah yes - "I got mine, fark you go get your own." Way to put "country first."

Case One: Graduate at the top of your class from Harvard, instead of going into private industry and making millions, take a low paying job to help out a disadvantaged community voice their grievances.

Case Two: Bounce around four colleges before graduating, get a job as Mayor, start charging rape victims for rape kits and run your town into the ground by building a needless $20,000,000 sports complex so your kids can play hockey in style.

John McCain would tell you that Case Two is his kind of Country First.


I stand corrected...

Awkward!

Change you can believe in.

DamnYankees:
GOP politics is so hateful and empty of ideas and principle it is nauseating that we keep voting for it.

Well, not all of us. :) I used to be rabidly Republican 'round these parts, as did Weaver and one or two others. The problem is that the Republican Party has become such a parody of itself that literally ALL they have left as a base are the very stupid, the very old, and the clinically insane. Or, as we like to call them, Darconix, Danlpoon, and NYZooMan.

MorrisBird: Manhigh: On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

"And so, in my State of the- State of the Union- or state- my speech--- whatever you want to call it, I asked Americans to give 4,000 years--- 4,000 years over the next--- the rest of your life- of service to America."-

Did you have a seizure typing that?

Corpus Delecti: DamnYankees:
GOP politics is so hateful and empty of ideas and principle it is nauseating that we keep voting for it.

Well, not all of us. :) I used to be rabidly Republican 'round these parts, as did Weaver and one or two others. The problem is that the Republican Party has become such a parody of itself that literally ALL they have left as a base are the very stupid, the very old, and the clinically insane. Or, as we like to call them, Darconix, Danlpoon, and NYZooMan.

I was also a Republican. I voted for Bush in '04. Thankfully I grew up and opened my eyes.

"On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

Wait wait wait...Obama changed his position from "give kids financial aid for community service" to "give kids financial aid for community service?"

That BASTARD

/my outrage
//smell it

FishingWithFredo: Awkward!

Change you can believe in.

You sound concerned.

DamnYankees: Did you have a seizure typing that?

Nah, I can cut and paste from Dubya's State of the Union Address with the best of them.

Andross01:

Wait wait wait...Obama changed his position from "give kids financial aid for community service" to "give kids financial aid for community service?"

That BASTARD

/my outrage
//smell it

That's what I was thinking too. His community service for college money is NOWHERE near new to his campaign.

MorrisBird: Manhigh: On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

"And so, in my State of the- State of the Union- or state- my speech--- whatever you want to call it, I asked Americans to give 4,000 years--- 4,000 years over the next--- the rest of your life- of service to America."-

HAHA! The teleprompter thing again? I'm sure most presidents of Law Review at Harvard are HORRIBLE speakers when they don't have prepared remarks. Don't lawyers use teleprompters?

/oh they don't?
//GTFO Troll

OH it was a Dubya joke?

By all means carry on. :)

Hobodeluxe: McCain had another big flip yesterday when he announced he no longer supported privatizing Social Security.

gee imagine that. he wants to slam Obama on judgment and yet he voted for the war in Iraq. For the Enron loophole,for the deregulation of the lending industry and tried to get social security privatized.
Just a few of McCain's bad judgments.

Surge

Don't talk about McCain like that. He invented the blackberry while defending our freedom in the Hanoi Hilton. (He was a POW)

Molavian:
Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Then don't, community service is more than that.

It's obvious that so many people have no idea what community service is, and that really is sad.

Holy shiat! Putting a page on Obama's site through versionista turns up some stuff in green! He edited wording and smaller details after picking Biden!

I'm not particularly thrilled with the change on removing the payroll tax cap, though.

McCain 08: Change you can't keep up with.

The change happened when he brought Biden on as a running mate. I guess there were some positions where he compromised instead of making Joe switch completely.

Okay, here's the whole quote from Dubya'd 2002 speech. Irony? I found it on Slate.

"And so, in my State of the-my State of the Union-or state-my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation-I asked Americans to give 4,000 years-4,000 hours over the next-the rest of your life-of service to America. That's what I asked-4,000 hours." -Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

Republican "Family Values": I "value" my family and place them in high high paying government jobs they aren't even qualified for, but you're on your own. Ownership society, biatches.

Republicans were against pretending to invent high tech communication devices before they were for it.

Molavian: Manhigh: Yes, picking up trash is reserved for the proletariat. Why should I have to clean up after myself?

Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Why the hate on community service? For students attending various international schools or international bacculaureate programs it is a requirement. I see this as a good thing as it gets young people focused on things other than themselves.

Obama has been promoting public service in exchange for tax credits for college for at least the last 8 months. I didn't hear him speak on that issue before then so I can't vouch for earlier than that. I am just saying he has been fairly consistent on this point IMO.

Manhigh: "On education, now Obama apparently expects those who qualify for college tax credits to join jailbirds picking up trash for 100 hours on the freeway (or whatever else "community service" entails these days)."

"Community service" can mean a lot of things, Slate. I happened to be at a rally in February where he gave examples of 'community service', and the two things Obama mentioned were soup kitchens and the Peace Corps.

Biggest cheers he got all night.

me texan: So I'm voting for Obama. I wish he'd picked a fresh face for himself (someone like Palin) because that would have looked like a move that a genuine reformer would make.

I agree with you on everything except the VP issue.

Compared to the current cowboy mentality that's damaged our standing in the world, having a VP who actually knows the intricacies of foreign policy and who recognizes that the United States is actually part of the rest of the planet... after these past eight years, that IS reform.

DamnYankees:
I was also a Republican. I voted for Bush in '04. Thankfully I grew up and opened my eyes.


It's okay man, I voted for him in 2000. :) Maybe we should form a Support Group. Heh. But seriously, I've always paraphrased Reagan when talking about my defection: I didn't leave the Republicans, the Republicans left me. I still have all the same core political beliefs. But the Republicans no longer do. I'm for smaller government. The Republicans are for a V for Vendetta style dictatorship where you can't even get on an airplane without disrobing and having a cavity search. I'm for protection of Religion via separation of Church and State. Republicans for a Fundamentalist Theocracy. I'm for fiscal responsibility. The Republicans have put us trillions of dollars in debt. I'm for personal freedom. The Republicans give lip-service to "freedom", and then wiretap, torture, and imprison anyone who they see as "different".

Democrats don't want to hear this, but the truth is that they currently embody most of what used to be good about the Republican party. Never before in American history as the struggle of Smart and Good vs Stupid and Evil been so clearly defined. On one hand, you have the Republicans, who basically want to murder everyone on the planet that isn't a Republican. And on the other hand, you have the Democrats, who are trying to restore something resembling honor and dignity to the nation. It's funny how many people are lining up to support the Republicans, merely because "Ma dad wuz a Republican." It's no wonder that every time you see a so-called Republican on this board, all they're doing is repeating the same moronic stupidity that they post in every thread, without ever addressing why they think voting for McCain would be a good idea. It's because they literally have no basis for their position other than the fact that they've 'always been Republicans', and have never bothered to put any thought into it beyond that.

Get it straight, subby

If it's Obama it's "Pragmatic Reevaluation"

If it's McCain it's "OMG!! FLIP FLOPPER!"

moralpanic: Molavian:
Mostly because I don't throw shiat all over the place and shouldn't have to pick up after you.

Then don't, community service is more than that.

It's obvious that so many people have no idea what community service is, and that really is sad.

When I help out Habitat for Humaninty like last month I think we might agree that's community service.
When I go over to the elderly neighbor's house to seal up siding getting ready for winter, that might be community service.
When I work a few hours at the local food bank like next week, that's probably community service.

When you take money from people at threat of imprisonment, pay a bunch of burocrats to maintain the system, then force the people into labor to get it back, I'm not so sure.

/how does this not fit the definition of organized crime?

me texan: If he screws up, everyone will be so pissed off hopefully that we'll get a real 3rd party out of the deal since centrists will distrust both Republicans and Democrats.

I would dearly love to see THIS. I am just not optimistic that it will happen in my lifetime.

DamnYankees: I was also a Republican. I voted for Bush in '04. Thankfully I grew up and opened my eyes.

I like you, DY, but this should be at the top of the list of things you never admit.

/Just kidding
//Nice guy I work with voted for Bush in '04, on the idea that there had to be something more to Bush than met the eye. He regrets it, too.
///I think almost all of us do.

Corpus Delecti: It's okay man, I voted for him in 2000. :) Maybe we should form a Support Group

That was a well thought out and well written post. What are you doing on Fark?