Yeah, like that deadbeat Damian Hirst guy. What a disgrace that guy is, hanging on the government teat like that.

arts and culture are for elitists anyway, good to see them go away.

I work in construction and I have met some of these people that live in apartments. They need to get a reel job. Trust me.

Some people do just fine in the arts. (and pay shiatloads of taxes to prove it)

Yeah, what was my wife thinking, dumping all of her own money, time, and effort, into university and postgrad, becoming an opera singer. Looks like we'll need to give up the venti lattés and the art shows on the weekends, and the meat dress we were thinking of purchasing on auction. She should have put it towards a profession with longevity. Like, say, the banking or tech sectors.

Truth is, submitter, we're living in a 1-bedroom apartment while we save for a home - mostly on my income. The government doesn't give my wife squat. The government provides funding for the companies she sings with; one of them being a program to introduce elementary and middle school students to classical music - where they may have had no exposure otherwise. She doesn't get paid a dime for that particular program. She does it because she believes in the importance of exposing kids to the arts, rather than developing a society where we're all worker drones whose only exposure to music comes from what ClearChannel shoves in our ears.

I also have friends in the film industry that volunteer their time towards similar programs, and for the same reason.

So if a world where every song is a replica of You Make Me Wanna La La, and every film and television show's central plot line is a spin-off of Ow! My balls! is ideal for you, then you keep fighting that good fight, submitter. Some of us elitist tight-asses are trying to keep your kids' brains from contracting any further.

Real art accepts no subsidy. After high school, if nobody is wiilling to pay for it, it's a hobby, not a career.

Reacting to art with anger is still reacting to art.

GWShenlong05: The government provides funding for the companies she sings with; one of them being a program to introduce elementary and middle school students to classical music.

Why is the music your wife likes any more intrinsically valuable than the music I like? Music is a collection of notes and rhythm, it's effect on the brain is unique to each brain. Verdi inspires her, Rammstein inspires me. People are fully able of finding and deciding what they like, If gov't needs to prop up certain songs, they aren't worth propping up.

Il Douchey: Real art accepts no subsidy. After high school, if nobody is wiilling to pay for it, it's a hobby, not a career.

Yeah, thank God that Mozart guy didn't accept the patronage of the Emperor during his time in Vienna. His work was so popular that everyone was clamoring to hear the new unconventional music he had written for his latest work. Oh, wait, that was Salieri and his acceptable, but rather pedestrian compositions.

People pay for commercial dross, not for art. Art is uncomfortable and requires effort to understand. Often, it isn't escapist enough and people want to see something that transports them out of their hum-drum lives, rather than something that holds up a mirror to their lives and shows them things they don't want to see. Even commercially viable companies like the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis make use of governmental and corporate subsidies to keep their prices affordable for those of us who don't have six-figure salaries.

Once we destroy our art sector we will have completed the destruction of this once great state.

We killed music, cuisine, beer, education, writing, and film. Once art dies, we will fully realized our potential of being a classless, grey, homogenized state with a culture created entirely by advertising executives.

Makes me proud to be American.

mollusk: Reacting to art with anger is still reacting to art.

The anger comes from being forced to underwrite it; it has nothing to do with the "art". Should we prop up restaurants that serve food that nobody is willing to buy?

Il Douchey: Real art accepts no subsidy. After high school, if nobody is wiilling to pay for it, it's a hobby, not a career.

Il Douchey: People are fully able of finding and deciding what they like, If gov't needs to prop up certain songs, they aren't worth propping up.

If you want to tell me that classical music doesn't move you, that's fine. If you want to tell me that artists have historically not accepted subsidies, or have been, in your words, "propped up," that's absolute bollocks. Artists have almost always survived on subsidies from patrons and governments.

Or maybe, for instance, the name Medici means nothing to you, and I'm wasting energy here.

mcwebe0: People pay for commercial dross, not for art. Art is uncomfortable and requires effort to understand

Thank you.

reelpirate: I work in construction and I have met some of these people that live in apartments.

Oh yeah? I work in the pharmaceutical industry and one time I saw a blimp.

Mordant: arts and culture are for elitists anyway, good to see them go away.

Since we are on the authoritarian/prude side of the cycle, don't look for a cool blast of decadence and creativity for a few decades.

/Kinda makes you miss the sixties

:)

//Suck it, haters--we got more pussy than you can possibly imagine

.

You listen to what you want, I'll listen to what I want. You pay for your entertainment, I'll pay for my entertainment. If you want to promote what you like to others, fine - but do it with your own dime. There are millions of wonderful googaws that could enrich and uplift the wretched masses, it's not government's business to "enlighten" our sensibilities.

reelpirate: I work in construction and I have met some of these people that live in apartments. They need to get a reel job. Trust me.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. They should not live in apartments?

Was "reel" some type of wit I have yet to discover?

Are you the guy in charge of some kind of mind altering toxic glue?

GWShenlong05: Thank you.

I used to be an actor. I know how it is. The sad fact is that people just don't want to see the unpleasant parts of their lives. That is why corporations can exploit people half way around the world so that they can sell their goods here for pennies on the dollar and, even though the information is well documented and readily available, no one notices or gets angry about it. As long as one can see the latest Michael Bay movie, who cares if people are dying because of unsafe working conditions halfway around the world to make the projector on which I'm watching it.

Plays that address issues like the child sex slaves of Cambodia don't play in the glitzy theaters. Those are reserved for musical extravaganzas that feel good and in which people generally find a fulfilling ending. That is the problem with relying on the populace to finance art.

RagingLeonard: Once we destroy our art sector we will have completed the destruction of this once great state.

We killed music, cuisine, beer, education, writing, and film. Once art dies, we will fully realized our potential of being a classless, grey, homogenized state with a culture created entirely by advertising executives.

Makes me proud to be American.

Wow. That's a lot of sand.

Il Douchey: You listen to what you want, I'll listen to what I want. You pay for your entertainment, I'll pay for my entertainment. If you want to promote what you like to others, fine - but do it with your own dime. There are millions of wonderful googaws that could enrich and uplift the wretched masses, it's not government's business to "enlighten" our sensibilities.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you made two claims that were blatant lies, and I'd like to see you address them.

When in history have artists, as a collective, been entirely self-financed?

By the way, has anyone ever tried explaining to these proud-to-be-dumb mouthbreathers that a latte is just coffee and milk? I mean, do they think it's made with sheep's blood and saffron or something?

Every time you put milk in your coffee, you are actively contributing to the elitistization of America.

Il Douchey: GWShenlong05: The government provides funding for the companies she sings with; one of them being a program to introduce elementary and middle school students to classical music.

Why is the music your wife likes any more intrinsically valuable than the music I like? Music is a collection of notes and rhythm, it's effect on the brain is unique to each brain. Verdi inspires her, Rammstein inspires me. People are fully able of finding and deciding what they like, If gov't needs to prop up certain songs, they aren't worth propping up.


Rammstein has played at numerous state sponsored music festivals and publicly funded venues.

Your outrage, it is missplaced.

Huh? What's all this?

The article is about corporate sponsorships being cut, nothing about government funding.

ExJerseyGirl: Huh? What's all this?

The article is about corporate sponsorships being cut, nothing about government funding.

Obviously, most of us DRTFA.

mcwebe0: Obviously, most of us DRTFA.

Including the subfailmitter

Il Douchey: Real art accepts no subsidy. After high school, if nobody is wiilling to pay for it, it's a hobby, not a career.

Bollcoks. What a crock of shiat. Since when did real art have to be a career?

ExJerseyGirl: Including the subfailmitter

I love it! Not just FAILmitter, but SUBfailmitter. Even lower than the normal kind of failmitter.

Just think, if someone had bought Hitler's art he would have never been a dictator.

Happiness can only come through God, hard work, and paying taxes.

Please get in line for your daily Truth injection, please.

Every form of entertainment is an art. I hope subby gets what he wants... a world with no down time where you work as a slave 24 hours a day and are allowed no respite.

So turn off your radios and televisions, burn all your books, cds, dvds, etc. and sit in your box until it is time to do your job.

I work with artists who have real jobs. They create the signage and displays at the retail store I work for. On the side, they paint murals in restaurants, coffee houses, and swim clubs. They are not bitter or looking for a handout.

Of course, these are actual working artists, not promoters, museum curators, and foundation directors. Which were the only people interviewed in TFA.

GWShenlong05:
When in history have artists, as a collective, been entirely self-financed?

When in history has "it's always been like this", as an argument, been intrinsically true or right?

/likes art and music
//will pay for it by buying museum/show admissions, not interested in giving my taxes up for it

I don't even like people who discuss art.

/Congratulations! You're all on my ignore list.

Art is a Religion.

GWShenlong05: Yeah, what was my wife thinking, dumping all of her own money, time, and effort, into university and postgrad, becoming an opera singer. Looks like we'll need to give up the venti lattés and the art shows on the weekends, and the meat dress we were thinking of purchasing on auction. She should have put it towards a profession with longevity. Like, say, the banking or tech sectors.

Truth is, submitter, we're living in a 1-bedroom apartment while we save for a home - mostly on my income. The government doesn't give my wife squat. The government provides funding for the companies she sings with; one of them being a program to introduce elementary and middle school students to classical music - where they may have had no exposure otherwise. She doesn't get paid a dime for that particular program. She does it because she believes in the importance of exposing kids to the arts, rather than developing a society where we're all worker drones whose only exposure to music comes from what ClearChannel shoves in our ears.

I also have friends in the film industry that volunteer their time towards similar programs, and for the same reason.

So if a world where every song is a replica of You Make Me Wanna La La, and every film and television show's central plot line is a spin-off of Ow! My balls! is ideal for you, then you keep fighting that good fight, submitter. Some of us elitist tight-asses are trying to keep your kids' brains from contracting any further.
THIS

One artist is worth more than a dozen doctors, a hundred engineers and every lawyer to wriggle forth from the snake's nest.

But that also means civilization can only support artists in that ratio, so get a real job you art school dropouts!

The world submitter lives in must be cold, dreary, grey and joyless.

C'mon, people! Get it together.

See submitter, this is why we can't have nice things: because you're farking retarded.

Nobody reads the articles: "But medium to long term, the arts are really going to have to work very hard to re-engage the financial community," he told AFP.

Was there any mention of government sponsorship for the arts? The majority of entities named look to be private institutions.

Tweedy said firms and their investors will now be closely focused on the bottom line.

"Shareholders will be far stronger in their observation of what the companies do, visible commercial benefits will be needed for a sponsorship," he said.

Nicky Bicket of the Old Mutual financial group agreed.

"There's going to be a temporary reduction, and not only in arts. Companies are going to redirect their investments towards activities where their sponsoring will be more visible, like sports," he said.

RagingLeonard: Once we destroy our art sector we will have completed the destruction of this once great state.

We killed music, cuisine, beer, education, writing, and film. Once art dies, we will fully realized our potential of being a classless, grey, homogenized state with a culture created entirely by advertising executives.

Makes me proud to be American.

AND THIS

I don't know whether it's art but I like it!

I had a book of poetry published last march, so I'm getting a kick...

I was really angry at the Canadian government's cuts to arts funding that just happened. Than, I saw they were cutting hundreds of thousands of dollars from online initiatives. I think that's okay. Frankly, arts funding should go to artists, not computer techs. It should give painters the time they need to paint and have art shows. It shouldn't be paying some techie to maintain a website on a government server.

Of course, if you cut the arts, you cut out various forms of political debate and social engineering. So you have nobody to compete with corporate media when it comes to social engineering, and political debate can be controlled easier. So it is no surprise the USA and Canada are cutting funding to artists.

Seriously, there are forms of political debate, and substantial concepts that can be expressed in paintings but not text. Art history classes can change how we vote and think about social goods and ills. Contemporary artists are annoying 9 out fo 10 times, but that 1 out of 10 can be worth it.

Hope you like Michael Bey movies.

mcwebe0: Plays that address issues like the child sex slaves of Cambodia don't play in the glitzy theaters.

Let Cambodia worry about the child sex slaves of Cambodia. Don't think for a second that those child sex slaves are appreciate the fact you're using their plight for 'art'.

OMG NORMAN ROCKWELL HAD A REAL JOB!!!11!!!!1!

letrole: Art is a Religion.

... Only without a dogma, or a centralized authority, or anything strongly resembling a religion.

Art is a competition, especially more so in this world. An artist (musician, painter, sculptor, etc) more often than not will have to produce something exceptional in order just to be noticed, much less supported financially by *anyone*.

reelpirate: You're a construction worker? Do you spend your days at work trying to hammer a better, more expensive nail into that framework in order to keep the guy next to you from taking your job? Do you make sure that every bucket of mud, or breakout box, or sheet of plywood is the most expressive it can be? Probably not. Your problem is a lack of per-spect-ive. What you consider to be easy, brainless work may be another person's life calling. Just because you don't understand it does not mean it's worthless. Some of us have a bit wider berth of what we consider to be important in life. Perhaps you would improve your demeanor (and spelling) if you did so yourself.
/Spent years in construction
//makes food and music
///Hopelessly in love with an artist.
////So there.

Yeah, I'll get flamed, but:

Screw you, subby. I've been drawing since I was three, and if anyone in the U.S. gave a damn about any culture other than 'pop', it wouldn't be so hard to get a job. I didn't go to art school because I couldn't hack it in psychology or paleontology, I truly love art and design. Everything we own has to be designed somewhere, including the computers you type on. My major mis-step was thinking that Detroit still had an art market-- joke's on me! Ha-frickin'-ha.

/that brit who had the billion-$$ auction? That isn't art, that's marketing. Which is art...arrgh....
//yes, I've heard all the 'want fries with that' jokes. I'm not stupid, just creative.
///leaving thread before I get really pissed.

Hey SUBTARD...eat a bag of dicks and then spend the afterglow watching Two and a Half Men.