Biden shoots Obama, more at 11.

Wow, little man and his big guns. I'm like, sooooo impressed.

It's a good move, politically, even if he still comes off a little gaffey. Or daffy. Something like that. Obama needs to reassure the semirednecks who might have a chance of voting for him.

Who cares? Didn't you all see the big headline? Biden poked a guy in the chest!!!

What the fark is Biden doing? I want a President only surrounded by people who agree with him 100%, no matter how stupid his decisions are.

Biden is now pro-gun? He used to be an antigunner on the NRA's hit list. Did he see the light?

Normally, I favor gun owner's rights but in Biden's case, I might just make an exception.

amo: Obama needs to reassure the semirednecks who might have a chance of voting for him.

I can't tell you how many times I've been told that the first thing Obama will do when he takes office is take away your guns. When I point out that we still have the Second Amendment even after numerous times in history with a Democratic president + Democratic congressional majority, they usually stop talking.

Same with Roe v Wade and Republican presidents / congressional majorities. Pretty much puts a stop to morons who proclaim "I ONLY VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT WHO WILL PROTECT MY GUNS AND END ABORTIONS1!11111!!!! WHARGARBL!!"

Forgive me while I don't believe him.

/also don't believe Palin
//or McCain or Obama
///or Barr or Nader or McKinney...

In other news, the right-wing media machine will spit this out as "division within the Democratic party" in approximately 30 minutes. But I can absolutely, positively, unconditionally guarantee you that this was a deliberate, clearly-thought statement made with Obama's blessings in order to help thaw the rabid pro-gun crowd.

Being a gun owner, I am often ashamed at the behavior of most -- but not all, so sit down -- fellow gun owners:

Fox figures that since the Palin bump went down in flames they can take Obama down by attacking Biden.

Why do we have two of these threads?

"Biden has said he doesn't hunt, but shoots skeet...."


Approves:

DeJa Vu

Awesome, good move by the Obama camp. Sell it as a gaffe so it will get more media attention = free advertising that Biden is pro-gun.

floor9: this was a deliberate, clearly-thought statement made with Obama's blessings in order to help thaw the rabid pro-gun crowd.

Absolutely correct. Obama wants to soften his message, but he can't he can't say it without looking like a hypocrite, so he gets his surrogate to do it.

Personally, I think it's kind of insultingly obvious, but the message is meant for dumbass Republicans who are apparently incapable of realizing when they are being manipulated by politicians.

Con_Authority: Biden is now pro-gun? He used to be an antigunner on the NRA's hit list. Did he see the light?

No, it is just "anti-gun" to the NRA is anyone who is any less than complete freedom to own any gun, without any waiting periods or manditory training or registration.

I'm sure that Biden has never wanted to outlaw guns, he's probably just been for registration and training and rules for gun shows, etc. Which of course to the NRA means "OMG!!! THEY ARE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNZ!!!!"

Just like to Pro-choicers, anyone who would even suggest anything less than 100% completely barrier free abortions is "pro life".

So, Biden saying "Obama's not going to do that, people are lying about him" = "I disagree with Obama"?

If the answer is yes, it must be Fox.

Cognitive dissonance has gone from being a necessary Republican skill to being a paradigm of thought. The don't seem to understand an idea unless it's inherently contradictory.

adamgreeney: Why do we have two of these threads?

One is from a "commie" source and the other is from a "fascist" source. I think. Maybe. I got nothing.

I have several guns. I'm not in the least worried about Obama taking them. Wonder why that is?

I do not support gun rights for Vice Presidents.

Stand up, Chuck!

Is the a doublemint gum commercial gone awry?

dletter:
Just like to Pro-choicers lifers, anyone who would even suggest anything less than 100% completely barrier free abortions zero tolerance for abortion even in the case of rape or incest, even to the point of refusing let the state pay for rape kits is "pro life abortion".

That's closer. I've never known a single "pro-choicers" like you describe, but I've known plenty of "pro-lifers" that have scared the shiat out of me with their worship of the unborn.

/I only wish that I was exaggerating.

dletter: Con_Authority: Biden is now pro-gun? He used to be an antigunner on the NRA's hit list. Did he see the light?

No, it is just "anti-gun" to the NRA is anyone who is any less than complete freedom to own any gun, without any waiting periods or manditory training or registration.

I'm sure that Biden has never wanted to outlaw guns, he's probably just been for registration and training and rules for gun shows, etc. Which of course to the NRA means "OMG!!! THEY ARE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNZ!!!!"

Just like to Pro-choicers, anyone who would even suggest anything less than 100% completely barrier free abortions is "pro life".

Actually, I think most of them would call their opponents anti-abortion, but you're absolutely right on the level of hysterics of some of those people.

Can one of you right wingers explain to me how Obama is going to take your guns away?

Why won't any of you people answer these questions? I want to know HOW this would even be possible. HOW?

And while you're at it, explain how McCain is different than Bush. One example. Just one.

You are all a bunch of wienie pussies with empty talking points from Rush and Hanity.

c7hu1hu fh746n: I have several guns. I'm not in the least worried about Obama taking them. Wonder why that is?

THIS

Someone point out where this is a problem. Rednecks are worried the big scary black man will take their guns. Biden is saying, no that won't happen. That's good, right? I mean, it diffuses a rumor that swirling out there while also assuaging the fear of gun-owning Americans.

It's almost like people want problems to exist where they don't already.

i don't know why obama chose biden
instead of a chick

it makes no sense to me
except for trying to win the old man vote

but the republicans already have the old man vote
so why not score the chicks and the young people and the sane?

wotta combination that woulda been

FTA: "I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns, so don't buy that malarkey," Biden said angrily. "They're going to start peddling that to you." "I got two, if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he's got a problem."

I think I heart this man.

/likes to shoot skeet
//always misses

Coco LaFemme: It's almost like people want problems to exist where they don't already.

Welcome to the exciting world of American politics.

davynelson: i don't know why obama chose biden
instead of a chick

it makes no sense to me
except for trying to win the old man vote

but the republicans already have the old man vote
so why not score the chicks and the young people and the sane?

wotta combination that woulda been

I say he did. And, FWIW, the polls clearly agree.

meekychuppet: Wow, little man and his big guns. I'm like, sooooo impressed.

Didn't he (Biden) make fun of the NRA guy at the youtube debate? Who's pandering now?

amo: It's a good move, politically, even if he still comes off a little gaffey. Or daffy. Something like that. Obama needs to reassure the semirednecks who might have a chance of voting for him.

They don't believe Biden.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: dletter:
Just like to Pro-choicers lifers, anyone who would even suggest anything less than 100% completely barrier free abortions zero tolerance for abortion even in the case of rape or incest, even to the point of refusing let the state pay for rape kits is "pro life abortion".

That's closer. I've never known a single "pro-choicers" like you describe, but I've known plenty of "pro-lifers" that have scared the shiat out of me with their worship of the unborn.

/I only wish that I was exaggerating.

I don't disagree ace, there is certainly those on that side of the equation on the pro-lifers side (of which Palin is definately one, which is why her as President scares the crap out of me).

But, there is a reason why partial birth abortions an issue, and it is because of the pro choicers who are certain that any chink in the armor means that abortions are going to be totally banned.

Some comedian years ago suggested it as a joke I'm sure, but, I think it would be great: tying together any laws regulating abortion and guns together.

* You want to ban abortion rights 100%? Fine, gun ownership is also banned 100%.
* You want to make a 5 day waiting period to own a gun? Fine, there is a 5 day waiting period to get an abortion.
* You want to say that you have to have manditory counceling and education before having an abortion. Then you have to have the same before owning a gun.

Considering 90+% percent of people are either Pro Choice/Pro Gun control, or Pro Life/Pro Guns, having those tied together would make the people passionate on the sides of those issues working much harder to comprimise instead of much harder to keep everything at 100% in their direction, even if it makes no sense.

Liar. This is the guy who claims to have written the original Assault Weapons Ban. When he says Obama won't take his shotguns, that's just what he means. If it were up to either of them, they'd ban everything but what they deem to be hunting guns.

So this story was greenlit twice, once with "Dumbass" and once with "Hero?"

Way to be bipartisan, Fark.

dletter: to the NRA is anyone who is any less than complete freedom to own any gun, without any waiting periods or manditory training or registration

Uh, no. That's simply not true.

Lumi: FTA: "I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns, so don't buy that malarkey," Biden said angrily. "They're going to start peddling that to you." "I got two, if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he's got a problem."

I think I heart this man.


Joe Biden is pretty rad. I like the tack he took, too. He's basically saying that Republicans are going to try and convince you that a Obama/Biden administration will basically repeal the 2nd amendment and that's just not going to happen. He needs to keep pushing this in places where this sort of thing will resonate; Ohio, especially. We don't need Ohio to win, but it would be good to get it.

Does Joe use the guns to scare off anyone asking for contributions to charities.

NYZooMan: img205.imageshack.us

I like this one better...

/for truthiness!

Ol' two-gun Joe, he aint gonna let no city boy take away his guns.

dletter: But, there is a reason why partial birth abortions an issue, and it is because of the pro choicers who are certain that any chink in the armor means that abortions are going to be totally banned.

No, it's because partial birth abortions are late-term abortions. Which are almost exclusively done for health reasons, as few people are dumb enough to carry a fetus that long before deciding they want to be pregnant.

Exodus2001: Can one of you right wingers explain to me how Obama is going to take your guns away?

Why won't any of you people answer these questions? I want to know HOW this would even be possible. HOW?

And while you're at it, explain how McCain is different than Bush. One example. Just one.

You are all a bunch of wienie pussies with empty talking points from Rush and Hanity.

I'll quote myself just in case you pansy's missed it.

Coco LaFemme: Joe Biden is pretty rad. I like the tack he took, too. He's basically saying that Republicans are going to try and convince you that a Obama/Biden administration will basically repeal the 2nd amendment and that's just not going to happen.

Biden claims to have written the original assault weapons ban, Obama supported the DC gun ban. I'm convinced by them, not by Republicans.

All they have to do is say once they're elected there will be no new restrictions on firearms. But they can't, because they both support more gun control.

The Democratic Party can take this issue away from Republicans pretty easily by just giving up their unconstitutional agenda of banning guns. But denying this particular civil right to the people is a core belief of the party.

Exodus2001: Why won't any of you people answer these questions? I want to know HOW this would even be possible. HOW?

It's not rocket science. They pass a law outlawing all modern guns.

Don't get bitter about it Joe.

paygun:

I'm a pro gun ownership liberal, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

paygun: All they have to do is say once they're elected there will be no new restrictions on firearms. But they can't, because they both support more gun control.

When I look into my crystal ball, I see the next administration having more than enough on it's plate. It won't need to go begging trouble by trying to push more gun-control legislation through.

Obama's (apparent) personal and irrational fear of firearms simply isn't enough to get me to vote for John McCain.