Seriously - Just take some deputies and serve the subpoena on them. If they don't come willingly, just take them.

I'm so sick of hearing about political clowns just giving the finger to subpoenas.

/That goes for everyone.

Tell it to the U.S. Senate.

The Onanist: Seriously - Just take some deputies and serve the subpoena on them. If they don't come willingly, just take them.

I'm so sick of hearing about political clowns just giving the finger to subpoenas.

/That goes for everyone.

Seriously. Arrest these people. Jesus christ.

The Onanist: Seriously - Just take some deputies and serve the subpoena on them. If they don't come willingly, just taze them.

I'm so sick of hearing about political clowns just giving the finger to subpoenas.

/That goes for everyone.

FTFM

No doubt. Alaska is tiny - more like a biggish town than a state. There's no way they can defend themselves against a national political organization. they lack the depth of sharp politicians and lawyers.

Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

/seriously wants to know
//heaven help us if these farking crooks get elected

The people who choose to ignore these subpoenas should be held at Gitmo and questioned there.

Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

/seriously wants to know
//heaven help us if these farking crooks get elected

Same for Rove and Bolton and Miers.

ilambiquated: No doubt. Alaska is tiny - more like a biggish town than a state. There's no way they can defend themselves against a national political organization. they lack the depth of sharp politicians and lawyers.

So a governor of such a state wouldn't be nearly as experienced or savvy as, say, a "newbie" who has managed to survive the rigors of the Chicago political machine and hit the national scene running?

Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

/seriously wants to know
//heaven help us if these farking crooks get elected

If he stays out o f Alaska until after the election, they can't get him, correct? Lack of Jurisdiction?

SOOOOOoooo, when do we bring McCain/Palin up on obstruction of justice?

coolbeans56:
If he stays out of Alaska until after the election, they can't get him, correct? Lack of Jurisdiction?

Would that be crossing state lines to commit a crime?

And some of you farkers believe them when they say they'll be open and transparent and bring change to Washington.

More. Of. The. Same.

We should all be for government transparency. This is not a partisan issue.

Calvin Coolidge: Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

you can be arrested for ignoring a subpoena, but the legislature must order the arrest. The Alaskan legislature is not in session, is the problem, as far as I understand the problem.

McCain-Palin campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan announced that Todd Palin will not comply with a subpoena to testify about his role in Troopergate, the Legislature's investigation into whether Palin abused her power in forcing out former public safety commissioner Walt Monegan.



All I know is that if *I* tried to ignore a subpoena I'd be in jail right now.

So how come this guy gets a free pass?

they're giving us an enlightening preview of what their presidency might look like. We should thank them for the warning

I hope since nobody associated with Governor Palin will honor the subpoenas, they will decide the case on the evidence presented against her, find her guilty, then draw her up on charges of impeachment.

This is why you don't vote for anyone who has ever spoken in tongues.

You know I've always wanted to visit Alaska but ever since the Palin's have been on TV I think I'm going to have to pass.

This situation seems like a Military coup in some third world country.

priestrape: they're giving us an enlightening preview of what their presidency might look like. We should thank them for the warning

I agree.

Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

Spousal privilege (look it up).

Whoever issued the subpoena knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

Bloody William: ilambiquated: No doubt. Alaska is tiny - more like a biggish town than a state. There's no way they can defend themselves against a national political organization. they lack the depth of sharp politicians and lawyers.

So a governor of such a state wouldn't be nearly as experienced or savvy as, say, a "newbie" who has managed to survive the rigors of the Chicago political machine and hit the national scene running?

Actually the Illinois Senate meets in Springfield, not Chicago, Obama was state senator for 8 years.

The "Chicago political machine" died with Daley (Sr).

The Onanist: Seriously - Just take some deputies and serve the subpoena on them. If they don't come willingly, just take them.

I'm so sick of hearing about political clowns just giving the finger to subpoenas.

/That goes for everyone.

Fancy lawyers FTW.

Where I come from, if you "refuse a subpoena" you get a bench warrant and a mailed summons, and if you "refuse" those you get cops knocking your door down.

cchris_39:

Spousal privilege (look it up).
Whoever issued the subpoena knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

I did, it and wiki says it only applies to civil and criminal cases.

The real issue if you care:

Ignoring a legislative subpoena is punishable by a fine up to $500 and up to six months in jail under Alaska law. But courts are reluctant to intervene in legislative matters and the full Legislature must be in session to bring contempt charges, Wielechowski said.
http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/09/todd_palin_refuses_to_testify. h tml

So the country told the Republican Party "Thanks, but no thanks" to their ticket to nowhere.

Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

/seriously wants to know
//heaven help us if these farking crooks get elected

The "First Dude" is above the law.

ilambiquated: Bloody William: ilambiquated: No doubt. Alaska is tiny - more like a biggish town than a state. There's no way they can defend themselves against a national political organization. they lack the depth of sharp politicians and lawyers.

So a governor of such a state wouldn't be nearly as experienced or savvy as, say, a "newbie" who has managed to survive the rigors of the Chicago political machine and hit the national scene running?

Actually the Illinois Senate meets in Springfield, not Chicago, Obama was state senator for 8 years.

The "Chicago political machine" died with Daley (Sr).

Ah, true. My half-mistake. Still, he's campaigned in Chicago to represent a Chicago district, and tell me that's not a farkin' bloody process, regardless of where he worked.

Also, just for architectural comparison and because I'm a smartass:



Illinois state capitol building.



Wasilla city hall.

cchris_39: knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

I'm so tired of hearing this bullshiat everytime a Republican ignores a subpoena. It doesn't matter. A subpoena means you SHOW UP, regardless of how stupid you think it is. That's the law. Republicans don't get to decide which subpoenas they think are not worth their time.

Ignoring it makes them look even worse. You've got nothing to hide? You think it's partisan bullshiat? Then show up and show us all how stupid it is. Answer their questions fully and truthfully and demonstrate that it's nothing more than a partisan witchhunt.

I don't care how stupid a subpoena seems, they have NO RIGHT to ignore it. It's called "respect for the rule of law." And if the shoe were on the other foot, you'd say the exact same thing. "I'm not showing up for your trial because I'm innocent" just doesn't cut it.

cchris_39: Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

Spousal privilege (look it up).

Whoever issued the subpoena knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

No, spousal privilege doesn't apply. The "First Dude" was included in official government business.

Palin is also claiming executive privilige in refusing to disclose emails (new window) which were copied to a private citizen known as the "First Dude".

Also, I hate the idea of a "First Dude." Was Clinton going to be the "first Dude?" So why is this snowmobile-riding K-Fed-looking motherfarker a possible "first Dude?"

First Gentleman. Let's try to keep SOME farking dignity in the executive branch.

Tsunami Ditka: And some of you farkers believe them when they say they'll be open and transparent and bring change to Washington.

More. Of. The. Same.

We should all be for government transparency. This is not a partisan issue.

It will be transparent. Just like Bush. Granted you will have no idea what's actually going on. But they will give you a story, and 'facts' and a justification for actions. None of which have anything to do with anything, though they will be a good story and provide just enough ummph to get people to kind of agree with what they think they are attempting to get at. Oh yeah, transparency, you'll be able to see right through it.

Bloody William: Also, I hate the idea of a "First Dude." Was Clinton going to be the "first Dude?" So why is this snowmobile-riding K-Fed-looking motherfarker a possible "first Dude?"

First Gentleman. Let's try to keep SOME farking dignity in the executive branch.

Republican + dignity + executive branch = Bwahahahahhahahahahhaha AAhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaahahah.

Tsunami Ditka: cchris_39: knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

I'm so tired of hearing this bullshiat everytime a Republican ignores a subpoena. It doesn't matter. A subpoena means you SHOW UP, regardless of how stupid you think it is. That's the law. Republicans don't get to decide which subpoenas they think are not worth their time.

(a) X is illegal under the law, punishable with fines and prison;

(b) Political official P just announced that s/he will do X;

(c) The reason is that P knows there will be no consequences for X.

That's the elimination of the rule of law and core democratic processes expressed in elementary logical terms.

DamnYankees: Tsunami Ditka: cchris_39: knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

I'm so tired of hearing this bullshiat everytime a Republican ignores a subpoena. It doesn't matter. A subpoena means you SHOW UP, regardless of how stupid you think it is. That's the law. Republicans don't get to decide which subpoenas they think are not worth their time.

(a) X is illegal under the law, punishable with fines and prison;

(b) Political official P just announced that s/he will do X;

(c) The reason is that P knows there will be no consequences for X.

That's the elimination of the rule of law and core democratic processes expressed in elementary logical terms.

I agree, I know how it works. I'm just tired of this outrage that some of us should even expect them to respond to a subpoena. As if people like Palin are in a position to decide when the law should apply.

Tsunami Ditka: DamnYankees: Tsunami Ditka: cchris_39: knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

I'm so tired of hearing this bullshiat everytime a Republican ignores a subpoena. It doesn't matter. A subpoena means you SHOW UP, regardless of how stupid you think it is. That's the law. Republicans don't get to decide which subpoenas they think are not worth their time.

(a) X is illegal under the law, punishable with fines and prison;

(b) Political official P just announced that s/he will do X;

(c) The reason is that P knows there will be no consequences for X.

That's the elimination of the rule of law and core democratic processes expressed in elementary logical terms.

I agree, I know how it works. I'm just tired of this outrage that some of us should even expect them to respond to a subpoena. As if people like Palin are in a position to decide when the law should apply.

I was agreeing with you.

DamnYankees: I was agreeing with you.

yeah, I know. I guess I wasn't sure what I was getting at in my second post :) I'm just pissed.

depmode98: Calvin Coolidge: Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

you can be arrested for ignoring a subpoena, but the legislature must order the arrest. The Alaskan legislature is not in session, is the problem, as far as I understand the problem.

I also believe only Gov Palin can summon the legislature before next January as well.

And what are the odds the clean, upstanding, anti-corruption Governor is going to do that?

Mavrick Indeed.

/WORSE than politics as usual.
//Extraordinary Corruption?

rathoth: depmode98: Calvin Coolidge: Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

you can be arrested for ignoring a subpoena, but the legislature must order the arrest. The Alaskan legislature is not in session, is the problem, as far as I understand the problem.

I also believe only Gov Palin can summon the legislature before next January as well.

And what are the odds the clean, upstanding, anti-corruption Governor is going to do that?

Mavrick Indeed.

/WORSE than politics as usual.
//Extraordinary Corruption?

Extra-ordinary desperation.

Their man on the ground:

cchris_39: Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

Spousal privilege (look it up).

Whoever issued the subpoena knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

Spousal privilege would apply for knowledge Todd had about his wife's actions. It doesn't apply for his behavior if he was also pressuring Monegan.

Generation_D: REPUBLICANS ARE ABOVE THE LAW. ITS THE WILL OF THE LORD.

My lord or your lord?
Because believe you me, my deity could totally fark up your deity.
It wouldn't even be funny. you'll be running around crying and me and deity will be high-fiving and laughing.

This thread goes much better by adding "in my pants." to the end of inflamatory statements.

Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

/seriously wants to know
//heaven help us if these farking crooks get elected

The Attorney General is refusing to recognize them so even if some enterprising (and frankly ballsy) cop actually arrested them the AG's office would refuse to prosecute. Looks like Palin learned from Bush about making sure those who enforce justice are nothing more than indentured servants to the chief executive.

teh great bozack: The REAL first dude is not impressed by your shenannigans

Did you know, Had Hillary won the presidency, Mr.Clinton would be the "First Lord" of America.
Interesting eh?

Tsunami Ditka:
I'm just pissed.

You should be. This shiat has got to stop.

aliendave: This is why you don't vote for anyone who has ever spoken in tongues.

There are several posts in this thread that are full of win, but this is Win+1.

cchris_39: Calvin Coolidge: Can someone explain why Todd Palin isn't being thrown in jail for ignoring this subpoena? Is it because the subpoena is from the legislature and not a judge? Or is it just because he's the husband of a VP candidate is apparently outside the law?

Spousal privilege (look it up).

Whoever issued the subpoena knows damn well what it is and is just grandstanding.

Spousal privilege is revoked in any communication that involves a third party, so all those e-mails he was copied to are fair game.