Will not, of course, go Green. Fark couldn't POSSIBLY allow an Obama story to be Greenlit unless it's some sort of assholish idiocy from Ted Nugent's blog implying that HUSSEIN OSAMA raped the Statue of Liberty with a jackhammer after feasting on the blood of the innocent.

Jack Reed, Chuck Hagel, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff and Jake Tapper: you are now on Skookum's list!

Corpus Delecti: Will not, of course, go Green. Fark couldn't POSSIBLY allow an Obama story to be Greenlit unless it's some sort of assholish idiocy from Ted Nugent's blog implying that HUSSEIN OSAMA raped the Statue of Liberty with a jackhammer after feasting on the blood of the innocent.

I'd still vote for him :)

vartian: Corpus Delecti: Will not, of course, go Green. Fark couldn't POSSIBLY allow an Obama story to be Greenlit unless it's some sort of assholish idiocy from Ted Nugent's blog implying that HUSSEIN OSAMA raped the Statue of Liberty with a jackhammer after feasting on the blood of the innocent.

I'd still vote for him :)

Same here. At least the Constitution is more than just a piece of paper to him.

The fundamentalists of our economy are fungible.

The McCain Death-Spiral of Lies (tm) continues.

What actually demands an explanation is why the McCain campaign was so willing to give credence to such a questionable story with such tremendous international implications without first talking to Republicans present at Obama's meeting with Maliki

Why-oh-why would the McCain campaign be willing to repeat a damaging story about Barack Obama without doing some basic fact-checking? Yeah, that's a real head-scratcher all right. I can't imagine them doing that and I can't fathom what their motivation must have been.

/mmmmm......lead paint chips are sweeeeeet

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Why-oh-why would the McCain campaign be willing to repeat a damaging story about Barack Obama without doing some basic fact-checking? Yeah, that's a real head-scratcher all right. I can't imagine them doing that and I can't fathom what their motivation must have been.

What? A political candidate seizing upon potential political or personal dirt on their opponent without fully fact-checking or verifying the story first? In election season? Shocking! Shocking I tell you!

Corpus Delecti: Will not, of course, go Green. Fark couldn't POSSIBLY allow an Obama story to be Greenlit unless it's some sort of assholish idiocy from Ted Nugent's blog implying that HUSSEIN OSAMA raped the Statue of Liberty with a jackhammer after feasting on the blood of the innocent.

(pirate) Ye opened yer gob too early, matey. (/pirate)

It's a physical impossibility at this point to be an issues voter and vote for McCain. Values voters are even getting close, as constant unrepentant lying tends not to sync with most people's morals.

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Hey, it's a liberal cover-up! Obama did interfere!

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Sadly, at 6pm on a Friday, this thread will never get the same play that these other threads got:
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But, damn, it sure is funny reading through those.

Duck Season.

Eddie_Dean_NY: Duck Season.

Election season.

An unbelievable story is determined to be false?

/how sad
//Don't trust the Iranians

Hender: Election season.

Heavy drinking season.

Eddie_Dean_NY: Hender: Election season.

Heavy drinking season.

Silly season.

Wow.

I wonder if anyone who cares about truth and honesty is left in the McCain camp.

2wolves: Silly season.

Eddie_Dean_NY: Heavy drinking season.

FAIL! There's no such thing as heavy drinking season, as it has, in fact, gotten rolled into every other season.

So where are the deniers? I need a good laugh this afternoon.

2wolves: Eddie_Dean_NY: Hender: Election season.

Heavy drinking season.

Silly season.

Wabbit season?

Bill_Wick's_Friend: What actually demands an explanation is why the McCain campaign was so willing to give credence to such a questionable story with such tremendous international implications without first talking to Republicans present at Obama's meeting with Maliki

Why-oh-why would the McCain campaign be willing to repeat a damaging story about Barack Obama without doing some basic fact-checking? Yeah, that's a real head-scratcher all right. I can't imagine them doing that and I can't fathom what their motivation must have been.

/mmmmm......lead paint chips are sweeeeeet

This particular campaign has never let simple things like fact checking or vetting get in the way of a decision. Why start now?

TFA: "Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations," said Obama campaign national security spokesperson Wendy Morigi, "nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades."

Compare that with:

But Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri's article bore "as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial."

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

Obama camp hits back at Iraq double-talk claim

Telling Iraqis not to rush into Strategic Framework Agreement, and to wait until George W. Bush leaves office, sure sounds like Obama was urging them to delay negotiations until George W. Bush leaves office.

Diogenes: So where are the deniers? I need a good laugh this afternoon.

You got your wish.

bulldg4life: Diogenes: So where are the deniers? I need a good laugh this afternoon.

You got your wish.

It lacked the froth and insanity I've come to love. Verging on concern.

SkinnyHead: Telling Iraqis not to rush into Strategic Framework Agreement, and to wait until George W. Bush leaves office, sure sounds like Obama was urging them to delay negotiations until George W. Bush leaves office.

You really didn't read TFA, did you?

The Strategic Framework Agreement is a document that generally describes what the relationship between the two countries should look like over time.

If Bush rushed it through without getting Congress to look at it, it would completely tie the hands of the next administration. Apropo of nothing, the SFA has nothing to do with troop levels, but just the working relationship between Iraq and the US. Troops levels are covered by the Status of Forces Agreement--whoops, also an SFA acronym--which is what the McCain campaign accused Obama of trying to manipulate.

Hender: You really didn't read TFA, did you?

Yeah, I did read it. And I was struck by the fact that Wendy Morigi claimed that "Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations," when she is previously on record saying that Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office.

That sounds like a contradiction.

SkinnyHead: Hender: You really didn't read TFA, did you?

Yeah, I did read it. And I was struck by the fact that Wendy Morigi claimed that "Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations," when she is previously on record saying that Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office.

That sounds like a contradiction.

Even when Ambassador Crocker says otherwise? He was even present. Wouldn't the Bush Administration itself be the final authority on this?

SkinnyHead: Yeah, I did read it. And I was struck by the fact that Wendy Morigi claimed that "Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations," when she is previously on record saying that Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office.

That sounds like a contradiction.

The accusation, though, was that Obama was trying to delay the troop reductions until after Bush left office, and not the Strategic Framework Agreement, which has nothing to do with the Status of Forces Agreement, which among other things deals with US troop levels in Iraq.

Is that clear enough? Obama urged caution and thoroughness on the Strategic Framework Agreement, which does not deal with US troop levels.

Diogenes: Even when Ambassador Crocker says otherwise? He was even present. Wouldn't the Bush Administration itself be the final authority on this?

What did Crocker say? Having read the TFA, I don't see where Crocker issued any sort of statement.

Hender: The accusation, though, was that Obama was trying to delay the troop reductions until after Bush left office, and not the Strategic Framework Agreement, which has nothing to do with the Status of Forces Agreement, which among other things deals with US troop levels in Iraq.

But in denying that he interfered with the status of forces agreement, Morigi admitted that Obama interfered with the Strategic Framework Agreement. President Bush and Iraqi president worked on finalizing strategic framework agreement in late June. U.S. and Iraqi officials have said they want to finalize the long-term security pact by the end of July. Obama interfered with objective by telling the Iraqis to wait until Bush leaves office.

John McCain hates black people...and Veterans, and pretty much all of america

hotlinked for my convenience

Well, alright, we knew that only imbeciles believed it anyway.

Does anybody have a lost of those guys?

SkinnyHead: Hender: You really didn't read TFA, did you?

Yeah, I did read it. And I was struck by the fact that Wendy Morigi claimed that "Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations," when she is previously on record saying that Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office.

That sounds like a contradiction.

FTA: A Bush administration official with knowledge of the meeting says that, during the meeting, Obama stressed that he would not interfere with President Bush's negotiations concerning the U.S. troop presence in Iraq, and that he supports the Bush administration's position on the need to negotiate, as soon as possible, the Status of Forces Agreement.

You're wrong SkinnyHead. Move on to your next talking point.

SkinnyHead: But in denying that he interfered with the status of forces agreement, Morigi admitted that Obama interfered with the Strategic Framework Agreement. President Bush and Iraqi president worked on finalizing strategic framework agreement in late June. U.S. and Iraqi officials have said they want to finalize the long-term security pact by the end of July. Obama interfered with objective by telling the Iraqis to wait until Bush leaves office.

He didn't explicitly say "Wait until Bush leaves office," at least, not from any of the articles I've read, including the one linked above.

Obama did assert at the meeting with the Iraqis that he agrees with those -- including Hagel and Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., the ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee -- who advocate congressional review of the Strategic Framework Agreement being worked out between the Bush administration and the Iraqi government, including the Iraqi parliament.

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According to one person present at the meeting, Obama told al-Maliki that the American people wouldn't understand why the Iraqi parliament would get to have a say on the Strategic Framework Agreement, but the U.S. Congress would not, especially since Bush is only months from leaving the White House, regardless of whether Obama or McCain succeeds him.

Morigi said in a statement that "Barack Obama has consistently called for any Strategic Framework Agreement to be submitted to the U.S. Congress so that the American people have the same opportunity for review as the Iraqi parliament."

Obama and some of the other attendees of the meeting say that there should be some Congressional oversight of the agreement, but there's no evidence of a specific timetable as to after or before what date it should be done by. Any assertion by yourself or anyone else that said delay was politically motivated is pure speculation. Politically convenient, perhaps, but you can't really make an argument that the viewpoint shared between Sen. Obama and two Republican Senators also in attendence was motivated by politics.

The story of Obama urging postponement of any troop withdrawal after the election, to me, has been sufficiently debunked.

There's still time to save your soul John. You can still be known as a stand up guy with integrity and principal. It's not to late.

Stop with the lies and mud.

Fark Independents RETREAT!

Diogenes: Wouldn't the Bush Administration itself be the final authority on this?

Of course not. The final authority is with the Fark Independents!!11!

/humps floor

You mean someone told a lie about Barack Obama and then spread it around?

That has never happened before in this campaign. Hold on while I alert the media.

I have to give props to Skinnyhead here. His trolling is remarkable.

I wonder if Sarah Palin will ever be asked how oil gets into the ground?

Spanky_McFarksalot: There's still time to save your soul John. You can still be known as a stand up guy with integrity and principal. It's not to late.

Stop with the lies and mud.


The only way McCan can save his integrity is to drop Sarah "I saw a dinosaur fossil with a human footprint in it once" Palin from the ticket, even if it means losing the race for the White House by 20 points in November.

If it's true that the right wingnuts strong-armed McCain into putting Palin on the ticket, then the only way he saves himself is by essentially calling the whole thing off.

This doesn't change the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states. Everyone knows that that's too many states.

He's an empty suit who doesn't have any policies and his policies are the most liberal in the Senate.

bartink: Of course not. The final authority is with the Fark Independents!!11!

Where the hell did that term come from, anyway, and why does it mean pseudo-Republican? I'm a registered independent and I've done more than my fair share of McCain campaign bashing, for lack of a better word.

Hender: He didn't explicitly say "Wait until Bush leaves office," at least, not from any of the articles I've read, including the one linked above.

Morigi said: Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

That sure sounds like he told them to wait until after President George W. Bush leaves office.

The Mavrick: This doesn't change the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states. Everyone knows that that's too many states.

He's an empty suit who doesn't have any policies and his policies are the most liberal in the Senate.

OK, people that make new screennames just to fake troll are lame, but I'm really laughing at "Everyone knows that that's too many states" for some reason so nice work

The Mavrick: This doesn't change the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states. Everyone knows that that's too many states.

He's an empty suit who doesn't have any policies and his policies are the most liberal in the Senate.


2/10. Material's a bit old.

SkinnyHead: Telling Iraqis not to rush into Strategic Framework Agreement, and to wait until George W. Bush leaves office, sure sounds like Obama was urging them to delay negotiations until George W. Bush leaves office.

Wow, I think I finally figured out what you meant by a "GED in Law". You weren't trying to say you had a degree in the legal field, you meant you only have a degree marginally related to a GED. "GED In Law" like "Mother In Law", I get it now.

When you get your real GED and finally pass the reading comprehension section you'll hopefully be able to read these articles again and see the distinction you are missing.

SkinnyHead: That sure sounds like he told them to wait until after President George W. Bush leaves office.

OK, I'll concede that point. I don't see how that in any way makes the view that the SFA should have some level of Congressional oversight in the US Congress (especially since it has Congressional oversight in the Iraqi Congress), a view shared by the two Republicans with him, less valid.

Hender: bartink: Of course not. The final authority is with the Fark Independents!!11!

Where the hell did that term come from, anyway, and why does it mean pseudo-Republican? I'm a registered independent and I've done more than my fair share of McCain campaign bashing, for lack of a better word.

Someone coined it a while back when they noticed that there was a shift away from people identifying themselves as Republicans and started calling themselves Independents. These newly christened Independents consistently bashed pretty much everything that Democrats did while still praising the Bush Administration and Republican policies.

Their posts usually went something like this: "I'm and Independent so I don't have a horse in this race, but man, I sure do love the taste of GOP spooge. Oh, and Democrats are all socialistic abortionist elitists. But I really am an Independent."

The Mavrick: Everyone knows that that's too many states.

Everyone? Are you sure?