-1 for being a Buchanan article
-1 for being a World Net Crazy article
+3 for blaming the baby boomers for everything in the last sentence

Whoa.

For all his faults (and there are many) Buchanan is a real conservative.

FTFA: "Government must save us!" cries the left, as ever. Yet, who got us into this mess if not the government - the Fed with its easy money, Bush with his profligate spending, and Congress and the SEC by liberating Wall Street and failing to step in and stop the drunken orgy?"

It's the government's fault because they didn't interfere enough...

My logical fallacies, let me show them to you.

Sad but true. And theres no true conservative left with enough power to cut government and take on all of these trade issues anywhere near whats needed.

John Paul Jones: For all his faults (and there are many) Buchanan is a real conservative.

This crisis has got to be heartbreaking for a genuine, dyed-in-the-wood conservative.

Looking at my 401K, I'm pretty heartbroken, too.

I wonder if the emperor Honorius watching the Visigoths coming over the seventh hill truly realized that the Roman empire was about to fall.

You know, sometimes I watch the Rachel Maddow show (not for news obviously, but because she's funny) and I feel bad for Buchanan. MSNBC makes him go on there and get pwned by her because it helps ratings, and it's like feeding time at the zoo. She destroys him every time, because he he's forced to support John McCain, and that's almost impossible for a thinking man to do.

Then I remember that Rachel Maddow has a career in TV largely because she felt so threatened by Buchanan's "Culture war" rhetoric that she decided to get involved in politics, and then I giggle at karma.

what_now: You know, sometimes I watch the Rachel Maddow show (not for news obviously, but because she's funny) and I feel bad for Buchanan. MSNBC makes him go on there and get pwned by her because it helps ratings, and it's like feeding time at the zoo. She destroys him every time, because he he's forced to support John McCain, and that's almost impossible for a thinking man to do.

Then I remember that Rachel Maddow has a career in TV largely because she felt so threatened by Buchanan's "Culture war" rhetoric that she decided to get involved in politics, and then I giggle at karma.

Sometimes I think Pat just gets drowned out because he operates at such a lower pace than she does. Regardless of the topic she runs circles around him. An essay, such as he presented here, is much more suited to his style.

I think there's some genuine respect between Pat and Rachel, idealogical differences aside. But boy aren't they night and day on like a hundred levels?!

Diogenes: I think there's some genuine respect between Pat and Rachel, idealogical differences aside. But boy aren't they night and day on like a hundred levels?!

Unlike the neocons, and senor McCain, Buchanan is a real conservative. That species hunted to near extinction over the past few years. I think she respects that. She's freakin' brilliant, which I'm sure he respects.

Diogenes: I think there's some genuine respect between Pat and Rachel, idealogical differences aside. But boy aren't they night and day on like a hundred levels?!

He hates gay people. She is a lesbian. I'm not sure how much "respect" they have for each other.

what_now: He hates gay people. She is a lesbian. I'm not sure how much "respect" they have for each other.

I've heard her say on her radio show that they do have respect for each other. She was referring to him as her "fake uncle" long before she got the TV gig.

John Paul Jones: For all his faults (and there are many) Buchanan is a real conservative.

And a very logical, rational debater, when he doesn't just make shiat up and call it a postulate.

what_now: You know, sometimes I watch the Rachel Maddow show (not for news obviously, but because she's funny) and I feel bad for Buchanan. MSNBC makes him go on there and get pwned by her because it helps ratings, and it's like feeding time at the zoo. She destroys him every time, because he he's forced to support John McCain, and that's almost impossible for a thinking man to do.

Then I remember that Rachel Maddow has a career in TV largely because she felt so threatened by Buchanan's "Culture war" rhetoric that she decided to get involved in politics, and then I giggle at karma.

That's how I feel too. As much as Pat is mostly right in where he places the blame in his linked article on the credit crunch (there's no way to turn back the clock on globalization, and I don't think there's any reason to either), he goes on TV and just says utter BS that you can tell even he doesn't believe. Positions that are a 180 from everything he says in print.

So I don't feel that sorry for him. He goes there and does his job and patiently allows people to deconstruct the frequently inconsistent mix of Republican talking points and conservative beliefs he floats out there, almost as trying to see if anyone will buy them. He makes a decent point sometimes, but most of the time he gets pwned and you can tell he doesn't care despite his perpetual cranky, semi-indignant look he wears. He laughs all the way to the bank because it helps get his books on bestseller lists, and allows him to remain culturally relevant. I suppose that's what you have to do to sell books, even if it means defending people you clearly hate because they're in the same political party... that's the game.

No respect for his previous political positions, particularly the cultural ones. That's where I have reservations in declaring him someone I respect.

bobbette:

No respect for his previous political positions, particularly the cultural ones. That's where I have reservations in declaring him someone I respect.

I just find it amusing that he held this giant culture war, and it turns out Rachel Maddow clearly won. Yay Lesbians!

I once heard him say "Hillary Clinton is the reason 18 year old Marines can't drink". He was so ANGRY that someone ( I think Russert *sniff*) was deconstructing his argument, that he just lashed out like a child having a tantrum.

/Yay! Lesbians.

Yay lesbians indeed!

/Maddow is brilliant and irresistible. And I love how everyone else loves her now too. YAY!

I have a picture of my boyfriend wearing his "I heart Lesbians" tshirt while hanging out w/ lesbians, but he wouldn't want me posting his face on the tubes.

/funny picture.

Sliding Carp: John Paul Jones: For all his faults (and there are many) Buchanan is a real conservative.

And a very logical, rational debater, when he doesn't just make shiat up and call it a postulate.

That's what I've noticed. He does well when he can stick with an angle. Sometimes he goes mid-debate from straight dealer to party guy. He needs to stick with an angle or role, at least when he's in singular setting.

what_now:I have a picture of my boyfriend wearing his "I heart Lesbians" tshirt while hanging out w/ lesbians, but he wouldn't want me posting his face on the tubes.

Did you feel the need to post that in the event you were mistaken for a lesbian?

FredaDeStilleto: Did you feel the need to post that in the event you were mistaken for a lesbian?

No, I'm often mistaken for a lesbian. It's just a funny story.

A true conservative cherishes prudence and believes in fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets and a self-reliant republic. He believes in saving for retirement and a rainy day, in deferred gratification, in not buying on credit what you cannot afford, in living within your means.

I guess this means I'm a conservative.

For years, we Americans have spent more than we earned. We save nothing.

If I put money into a CD, I make barely more than inflation. Why the hell should I save anything if it's not going to make me money? I understand I should have an emergency fund, and I do, but I don't understand why I should save any more than that.

What the Greatest Generation handed down to us - the richest, most powerful, most self-sufficient republic in history, with the highest standard of living any nation had ever achieved - the baby boomers, oblivious and self-indulgent to the end, have frittered away.

Boomers do suck.

Instant Karma: +3 for blaming the baby boomers for everything in the last sentence

This. This. This.

What would this world be like if some aliens came and kidnapped every person over 65?

Bonkthat_Again: What would this world be like if some aliens came and kidnapped every person over 65?

1) Denny's would start marketing itself as the hip place to hang out when you're really wasted
2) Pot would be legalized
3) We'd all be able to get places much more quickly

Bonkthat_Again: Instant Karma: +3 for blaming the baby boomers for everything in the last sentence

This. This. This.

What would this world be like if some aliens came and kidnapped every person over 65?

cannabis would be legal, we'd be out of Iraq and everyone would be able to understand how email works.

Anytime Pat Buchanan speaks about anything economic or foreign policy related, I'm all ears. It's everything else that can worry me about him.

That said, good article.

I'm a boomer and I'm laughing my ass off......

Bonkthat_Again: What would this world be like if some aliens came and kidnapped every person over 65?

Barack Obama and Sarah Palin would have to get new running mates.

I have never, ever, given Pat Buchanan credit for anything more than being a raving lunatic.

But he really does make sense in that article.

/now back to my regularly scheduled godless librul whining

The Icelander: If I put money into a CD, I make barely more than inflation. Why the hell should I save anything if it's not going to make me money? I understand I should have an emergency fund, and I do, but I don't understand why I should save any more than that.

I'm with you on that. It's become hard to save money when it's worth less the longer you keep it. Somewhere the incentive to have savings was taken away.

Good article though. Pat Buchanan does manage to surprise me every once in a while.

The Icelander: If I put money into a CD, I make barely more than inflation. Why the hell should I save anything if it's not going to make me money? I understand I should have an emergency fund, and I do, but I don't understand why I should save any more than that.

You aren't supposed to save anything. That's the point.

We don't want piles of cash sitting around. We want money funneled into enterprise. The best way to do that is with stocks. Investment is preferable than just sitting on your horde.

what_now: Bonkthat_Again: What would this world be like if some aliens came and kidnapped every person over 65?

Barack Obama and Sarah Palin would have to get new running mates.

Dream ticket!

It would be worth it to see see all the heads asploding everywhere.

What the Greatest Generation handed down to us - the richest, most powerful, most self-sufficient republic in history, with the highest standard of living any nation had ever achieved - the baby boomers, oblivious and self-indulgent to the end, have

Hear farking hear.

John Paul Jones: For all his faults (and there are many) Buchanan is a real conservative.

and, this is the part which really scares me
when did he start sounding rational????

I mean seriously, I have trouble finding fault with how he described our current problems

notice that he blamed the tax cuts, spending and war on the deficit, NOT clinton?

I am so confused

CrankMyBlueSax: I have never, ever, given Pat Buchanan credit for anything more than being a raving lunatic.

But he really does make sense in that article.

/now back to my regularly scheduled godless librul whining

THIS
I am sooooo confused
do we LIKE consevatives now?
just HATE neocons and religious nutcases?

/when did the farkTARDS on both extremes take over our country?
/cant we get rid of both of them?

Yet, still, the promises of the politicians come. Barack Obama will give us national health insurance and tax cuts for all but that 2 percent of the nation that already carries 50 percent of the federal income tax load.

Doesn't that 2% pull in something like 95% of the income?

It's a great time to be debt free (knock on wood).

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DistendedPendulusFrenulum: It's a great time to be debt free (knock on wood).

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You know, I never seem to hit the perfect storm. I saved up a reasonable down payment, eliminated my debt, and I'm ready for home ownership. And now you can get a real steal given falling home values.

However, with banks and lenders in complete disarray, taxes, insurance, etc. I don't think I can do it. It's never "juuuust right."

Diogenes: However, with banks and lenders in complete disarray, taxes, insurance, etc. I don't think I can do it. It's never "juuuust right."

Well, keep saving then. Unless you get hit by financial hardship and need to dip into that savings, you'll just have a bigger down payment.

Or, you could just build yourself an EPIC entertainment center.

Hender: Diogenes: However, with banks and lenders in complete disarray, taxes, insurance, etc. I don't think I can do it. It's never "juuuust right."

Well, keep saving then. Unless you get hit by financial hardship and need to dip into that savings, you'll just have a bigger down payment.

Or, you could just build yourself an EPIC entertainment center.

I'm holding tight and continuing to save. But I'm renting a home currently, the lease is coming up, and the landlord wants to sell it to me. I'm going to try and negotiate another year on the lease. I think it's better for both of us. She can fetch a better offer in a year, whether I'm the buyer or not.

Party?

What Party?

Oh, you mean like that Lindsey Lohan/Paris Hilton Hollywood party I didn't get invited to either?

OMG!!!

Whatever shall I DO!!!!!!

He might parrot some good points, but he's still a creepy bastard along the lines of Gingrich and I would find it hard to trust anything he says.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: It's a great time to be debt free (knock on wood).

.

Knock hell, SLAM IT! BABY!

Good article by Pat Buchanan there.

GASP!

Sometimes an addict has to hit rock bottom before they admit they have a problem, decide to make changes and maybe...

Oh, God WILLING...

Maybe ask for a little help.

FTFA:

"Yet, who got us into this mess if not the government - the Fed with its easy money, Bush with his profligate spending, and Congress and the SEC by liberating Wall Street and failing to step in and stop the drunken orgy?"

"What we are witnessing today is nothing less than a Katrina-like failure of government, of our political class, and of democracy itself, casting a cloud over the viability and longevity of the system.

Notice who is managing the crisis. Not our elected leaders. Nancy Pelosi says she had nothing to do with it. Congress is paralyzed and heading home. President Bush is nowhere to be seen.

Hank Paulson of Goldman Sachs and Ben Bernanke of the Fed chose to bail out Bear Sterns but let Lehman go under. They decided to nationalize Fannie and Freddie at a cost to taxpayers of hundreds of billions, putting the U.S. government behind $5 trillion in mortgages. They decided to buy AIG with $85 billion rather than see the insurance giant sink beneath the waves.

An unelected financial elite is now entrusted with the assignment of getting us out of a disaster into which an unelected financial elite plunged the nation.'

Wait, what?

FTFA: "Government must save us!" cries the left, as ever.

Stopped reading right there. It's really hard to place blame in the lap of "the left" when GWB is backing the same policy.

One. Bernanke should not have kept lowering interest rates in the beginning of the year. The reason why the US is such a powerhouse is because it's dollar was so strong, and he was weakening it trying to save the mortgage crisis.

Two. Stop saving the banks... all you're doing is saving the lenders so they can keep screwing the borrowers. Yes, the borrowers should have never gotten some of those mortgages, but it was the lenders fault for giving it to them. Why not save the borrowers, who in turn would save the lenders? How many borrowers could 1 trillion dollars help? I don't mean wipe out their debt, but give them government assisted loans maybe similar to college loans... they can only be used on the mortgage, and they don't need to be paid off for 5 years (or perhaps make the payments in smaller increments... or make that an interest-free loan).

You know we are up shiat creek when Pat Buchanan is the voice of reason.

He's correct across the board.

Beyond that, when will someone nut up and tell Americans to stop whining and pay their freight. Taxes aren't something that responsible societies wish away.