As a resident of the Great State of Vermont, let me simply state that even the far, far, far left liberals in Montpelier I spoke with this morning are calling Dennett a certifiable wacko.

And anyone who thinks this would have any traction outside of theoryland needs a serious reality check. I'm not saying I don't agree with Bush potentially being guily of war crimes, but it ain't gonna happen.

Would be fun to watch. Pay per view?

Well, at least now we know where all of that "confiscated" marijuana goes.

Prosecute him for murder where? In Vermont? US Presidents have gotten away with much more than 22 deaths before.

I know Vermont has lots of cows, but you don't let them run for Attorney General.

"Kill a man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god"
--Jean Rostand (new window)

I don't think there is a criminal code against conquerors.

albo: I know Vermont has lots of cows, but you don't let them run for Attorney General.

We bridle our cows up here to keep them quiet.

The moose, on the other hand? They're wild...

Timanous: I'm not saying I don't agree with Bush potentially being guily of war crimes, but it ain't gonna happen.

You should be demanding that it happen.

There Must be a trial. And he should suffer the verdict.

Focusing on stuff you can actually accomplish might be a better strategy for winning election, Charlotte...


/Masshole. Loves VT. Great State.

That would be awesome! And it would be even MORE awesome if she would campaign with Obama, and while standing next to him on a stage, repeat this promise. Often.

BravadoGT: That would be awesome! And it would be even MORE awesome if she would campaign with Obama, and while standing next to him on a stage, repeat this promise. Often.

I see what you did there...

I don't think that would work.

Murder is a crime under State Law. Wouldn't apply. Given that innumerable pregnant civilians in Iraq have been blown apart as a result of Mr. Bush's War, I'd prefer to prosecute him under Federal Law for performing mass partial-birth abortions.

Stop helping, VT! This must be how conservatives feel about Florida.

On checking the election, your choices for Attorney General are

the Incumbent Democrat
A Republican who went from male to female
This Progressive
A Liberty Union candidate

choose wisely

Careful! Easy! Easy!

I have little doubt that Bush would be found guilty of authorizing torture, which is a prosecutable war crime.

Go For It!!

But do it before the election, please.


Gotta love those nutbag/dirtbag Democrats!

/Wishful thinking?

Vermont tag needed.

/STFU and go back to making cheese and maple syrup you hippies
//Never heard 500,000 people make so much noise
///Howard Dean LOL
////YAAARGH!

Somacandra: I don't think that would work.

Murder is a crime under State Law. Wouldn't apply. Given that innumerable pregnant civilians in Iraq have been blown apart as a result of Mr. Bush's War, I'd prefer to prosecute him under Federal Law for performing mass partial-birth abortions.

Dude, you just gave me the best idea for a song ever - thankyouthankyouthankyou - tonight, I will reside in my studio with booze, guitar and somacandra - my wife will think I've gone insane and she will like it.

Darconix: AkaDad: I have little doubt that Bush would be found guilty of authorizing torture, which is a prosecutable war crime.

Bwahahahah. You think your kangaroo court has sovereignty over the U.S.? You must be a lib.

Well, according to the U.S. constitution, any international treaties become the law of the land.

No one should be above the law. No one should be able to run a corrupt, opaque government and not answer to court orders and/or subpoenas issued by the organizations that were put in place to keep such a government in check.

Now excuse me, I have to Ctrl-c, Ctrl-v this into a Troopergate thread.

BravadoGT: That would be awesome! And it would be even MORE awesome if she would campaign with Obama, and while standing next to him on a stage, repeat this promise. Often.

Didn't Biden allue that this may happen?

Maybe there's something in the ice-cream that eventually drives Vermonters completely batshiat crazy. If so I'm in a barrel of chunky-monkey trouble.

generaltimmy: BravadoGT: That would be awesome! And it would be even MORE awesome if she would campaign with Obama, and while standing next to him on a stage, repeat this promise. Often.

Didn't Biden allue that this may happen?

No. He basically said that if crimes were commited by the admin, they'd prosecute. I'm not 100% familiar here, but I think the president is protected from murder prosecution in a situation like this.

Also, I don't think the Vermont AG has any jurisdiction to do this, even if he wasn't, but I'm pretty sure he is anyway.

Last: Let's see if she gets elected before we start painting liberals with a broad brush. Unless all conservatives are toe-tapping kid touchers?

Good luck with that, Hippie McFreakinton.

I don't know about Bush. Seems like is was, is, and ever shall be a dupe, but I'd sure like to see Cheney forced to tell the truth or be jailed for contempt.

I would think it would be the AG for California & Texas that would prosecute Bush for murder. Those are the states where the most troops have been killed.

The poor Californians are shouldering a huge part of the cost and soldiers lives for Bush's Iraq occupation.

Indict Bush. If he doesn't respond, slap some cuffs on him and drag him in to face his charges. He's an American citizen like the rest of us.

Unfortunately, it is most likely that the only thing we could do at home is to impeach him at best, and that is sketchy. What would be interesting is to see what the rest of the world asks for when he steps down...they might just try and go after him for war crimes. I would love to see that happen.

Rehosted for posterity and Lulz.

Out of all the things you could charge him under, she wants 'murder?'

I love Vermont so much, and not in the sarcastic way.

A friend of mine wrote this and sent it around this morning:

So we're lobbing missiles (still!) from unmanned Predator drones into houses full of Iraqi civilians, in the hope that we might kill an Al Quaeda member. In our most recent such attack, the Iraqi police say that we killed women and children, but no Al Quaeda members. I picture a Private, some kid from Nebraska maybe, munching Cheetohs, staring intently at the video screen, at a site hundreds of miles away, and then receiving authorization to "punch the button."

Picture yourself now, as the American parent of a child who, unbeknownst to you, has gotten into some really bad trouble--maybe your kid sold some illegal drugs that were tainted and killed some drug users. The US government gets wind of it and fires a missile into your house, killing your wife, your kids, and maiming the rest of your family for life, and destroying all your possessions.

Would we all stand for that? Is that the right way to act upon criminal suspicion? We wouldn't even treat dogs this way, so why do we do it to human beings?

Most of the rest of the world has this amazing process which uses arrest, and a trial before an impartial arbiter. Novel concepts to our President, apparently.

These are more war crimes, heaped upon all of our previous war crimes. Plain and simple. The President and his cabinet are war criminals. Whether motivated by the old ideas of The Crusades (Christians hell-bent to kill Muslims--which by the way is flatly opposed by the New Testament, which is apparently the primary source of Bush's philosophy--maybe he should read it), or by the politics of oil, or by the corruptive influence of military lobbyists, it's all war crimes still the same.

What? Was the Hero tag busy?

/boil that dust speck!

PullItOut: Most of the rest of the world has this amazing process which uses arrest, and a trial before an impartial arbiter. Novel concepts to our President, apparently.

To be fair, there are some pretty stunning examples worldwide of powerful people who get away with a ton of crap without having to answer for it. I wouldn't hold up the rest of the world as a example to necessarily be emulated. The U.S. Constitution would be a better place to start.

dhudd: Dude, you just gave me the best idea for a song ever - thankyouthankyouthankyou - tonight, I will reside in my studio with booze, guitar and somacandra - my wife will think I've gone insane and she will like it.

Um, thanks! I suppose that's better than my wife, who already thinks I'm insane. :)

*shrug* Its what we get for letting the position of supreme commander of the military become a position where one is not expected to share in the dangers of military action.
PullItOut: A friend of mine wrote this and sent it around this morning:

Whether motivated by the old ideas of The Crusades (Christians hell-bent to kill Muslims

It would not surprise me, considering what a clusterfark the crusades were taken as a whole. Killed nearly as many, if not more, Christians than Muslims, probably destroyed the chances of any kind of reasonable accommodation between the Christian West and the Muslim East and resulted in the Turks eventually owning Constantinople. Yeah, great track record to emulate there.

He's a killer - nobody is questioning that fact. However, he's killing in the name of Jebus, and the USA, so it's all good.

/FU Cheney (our actual president for the past 7 years)
//duh

hows about going after ted kennedy for murder first

Darconix: So much concentrated FAIL. Minimal understanding of the history of the Crusades (yes, the Muslims started them by invading Christian nations to their north). No historical understanding of the concept of war at all. Genuine belief in the concept of a "sterile" war in which only combattants are killed. Believes soldiers should be performing police function.

I'd advise your friend to DIAF over the weekend if he found it convenient.

You might want to be a little bit more informed about the crusades yourself before you spout off about others understanding of them. The Latin lords of the west did not give two shiats about Constantinople's troubles with the Seljuks, which they proved by sacking the city in a orgy of rape, pillaging and murder during the Fourth crusade. The Catholic western Christians of the time were quite happy to massacre Orthodox Christians right along with the Jews and anyone else who seemed funny. They even warmed up by sacking the Christian city of Zara beforehand.

The truth of it is that the Crusades were a savvy political move by the Vatican, which reduced turmoil between the Western kingdoms by giving them an outside enemy to go crazy on, keeping the Pope for possibly losing power by having to step in and tell them to quit squabbling and not to kill each other. Since they rather LIKED killing each other, this would likely have led eventually to the Kings telling the pope to get stuffed. And thus the influence of the Church was preserved, along with the bonus of a large inflow of valuable stuff and religious relics.
Alexios Is appeal to the Vatican was used more or less as a pretext for saying 'well you invited us' when the barbarian Latin lords ended up shiatting all over everything they came in contact with.

Timanous: As a resident of the Great State of Vermont, let me simply state that even the far, far, far left liberals in Montpelier I spoke with this morning are calling Dennett a certifiable wacko.

And anyone who thinks this would have any traction outside of theoryland needs a serious reality check. I'm not saying I don't agree with Bush potentially being guily of war crimes, but it ain't gonna happen.

Vincent Bugliosi is the only American true crime author who has written three New York Times bestsellers. His record as a lawyer is even more impressive: In his career at the L.A. County District Attorney's office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including all 21 homicide cases. In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, he tackles his most challenging case yet. This controversial book presents a searing legal indictment against the 43rd president of the United States, arguing that he must be held accountable for crimes related to the Iraq War. Meticulously researched and volatile. (new window)

And the case would be immediately thrown out for lacking jurisdiction.

Bush might want to consider voluntarily surrendering to face Vermont justice. He'll have a much easier time communicating with the guards in Montpelier than he would in the Hague.

Your Faith is Creepy: Bush might want to consider voluntarily surrendering to face Vermont justice. He'll have a much easier time communicating with the guards in Montpelier than he would in the Hague.

I don't know, I hear they waterboard you with maple syrup in Vermont prisons.

obzerver: Vincent Bugliosi is the only American true crime author who has written three New York Times bestsellers. His record as a lawyer is even more impressive: In his career at the L.A. County District Attorney's office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including all 21 homicide cases. In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, he tackles his most challenging case yet. This controversial book presents a searing legal indictment against the 43rd president of the United States, arguing that he must be held accountable for crimes related to the Iraq War. Meticulously researched and volatile. (new window)

Your post, it means nothing.

Instant Karma: Your Faith is Creepy: Bush might want to consider voluntarily surrendering to face Vermont justice. He'll have a much easier time communicating with the guards in Montpelier than he would in the Hague.

I don't know, I hear they waterboard you with maple syrup in Vermont prisons.

Actually, we use melted Ben & Jerry's ice cream

Instant Karma: I don't know, I hear they waterboard you with maple syrup in Vermont prisons.

Man. What I wouldn't pay to see a secret CIA videotape of *that* enhanced interrogation.

The only way this woman's opinion would even more worthless is if she were the AG of Alaska.

Vermont: Live Free or Die, except in the case of smokers.

On January 20 2009: arrest, try and hang the farker in one hour after Obama takes the oath.