Barrack in front of Lefty-Hollywood types: Those dumb bible clinging chumps are so beneath us! Ha ha ha, screw those stupid Christers!

Barrack on new "faith and values" tour: I love Jesus! Why, I was a community organizer, just like Jesus! Let's all join hands and pray! Bless you, God! Bless you Jesus! Jesus Jesus Jesus! God God God! Let me handle some snakes!

Good Christians won't be fooled by his theatrics, they'll continue to hate him as they should.

Wait..

I need to reach through the screen and slap subby for his idiocy.

Elvis_Bogart: Barrack in front of Lefty-Hollywood types: Those dumb bible clinging chumps are so beneath us! Ha ha ha, screw those stupid Christers!

Barrack on new "faith and values" tour: I love Jesus! Why, I was a community organizer, just like Jesus! Let's all join hands and pray! Bless you, God! Bless you Jesus! Jesus Jesus Jesus! God God God! Let me handle some snakes!

Are those direct quotes? They could use some citation.

I can't believe such a huge part of our political process caters to morons who believe they have invisible friends in the sky.

Elvis_Bogart: Barrack

I don't understand the point of you deliberately misspelling his name this way.

I had a slightly-dyslexic brainf fart whilst reading this headline and instead of "pay grade" saw "gay pride".

TGIF

I may disagree with what the commenters had to say about TFA, but I must say they are alot more coherent and literate than the Freeper/LGF crowd.

submitter: answering whatever questions are at or below his pay grade

So you think that "President" is higher than "God", Subby? That the President is the one who truly has the final say on when life begins? Mmmmkay.
For my follow-up question, why do you hate America and God?

Elvis_Bogart: Barrack in front of Lefty-Hollywood types: Those dumb bible clinging chumps are so beneath us! Ha ha ha, screw those stupid Christers!

Barrack on new "faith and values" tour: I love Jesus! Why, I was a community organizer, just like Jesus! Let's all join hands and pray! Bless you, God! Bless you Jesus! Jesus Jesus Jesus! God God God! Let me handle some snakes!

The best thing Barack has going for him is people like this. Keep talking, morans.

And PS, while it wasn't the most politically astute answer ever given, the question about when life begins is above everyone's pay grade.

Jamespoon: Elvis_Bogart: Barrack

I don't understand the point of you deliberately misspelling his name this way.

Probably for the same unfathomable reason people think referring to him as "Barry" is some kind of insult.

The mind of the wingnut is a fascinating enigma.

Lionel Mandrake: And PS, while it wasn't the most politically astute answer ever given, the question about when life begins is above everyone's pay grade.

What a cop out. Are you saying that you can't make that judgment for yourself? You have zero opinion on that question because it's above you?

He wasn't asked when his campaign thinks human rights can be applied. He wasn't asked when his administration would feel human rights can be applied. He was asked when he believes it. And he wouldn't answer. The man has children! Do you think as a father he would at least have some sort of value system as to what point his children obtained basic human rights?

lunchinlewis: What a cop out. Are you saying that you can't make that judgment for yourself?

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

/Help me out here, since I think evolution exists and shouldn't be taught in a classroom so, therefore I'm an atheist. Who said that again?
//Maybe if you paid attention in church something would sink in.
///I believe it's not for me to say, too. That's my value system.

lunchinlewis: He was asked when he believes it. And he wouldn't answer. The man has children! Do you think as a father he would at least have some sort of value system as to what point his children obtained basic human rights?

And I think he clearly does. But remember, he's a candidate for public office - to a certain extent, his personal beliefs on some matters are irrelevant. For instance, if he's personally against abortion but believes that a woman has rights to medical privacy and bodily autonomy, then the answer to the question "is abortion wrong" is irrelevant.
Frankly, your statements show an incredible amount of either naivete or trolling.

lunchinlewis: Lionel Mandrake: And PS, while it wasn't the most politically astute answer ever given, the question about when life begins is above everyone's pay grade.

What a cop out. Are you saying that you can't make that judgment for yourself? You have zero opinion on that question because it's above you?

He wasn't asked when his campaign thinks human rights can be applied. He wasn't asked when his administration would feel human rights can be applied. He was asked when he believes it. And he wouldn't answer. The man has children! Do you think as a father he would at least have some sort of value system as to what point his children obtained basic human rights?


Maybe he doesn't know. I don't know when life begins. And frankly, I often wonder, so what if life begins at conception? Is it even significant at that point? Or is it only significant once, say, the heart begins beating? Can you be alive without a heart? Or a brain? I mean, early on a baby is essentially a parasite--does that count as life? I don't know. I often wonder these things. Maybe Barack does too. So I can understand why he thinks the question is above his pay grade. It's way above mine.

cheshirecatsmileyface: So I can understand why he thinks the question is above his pay grade.

Additionally, there's the rest of his statement (which is always conveniently left off) that when life begins is a question for scientists and theologists. Since he's neither, this shows humility, rather than the arrogance of someone like McCain who claims to know more than people who've extensively studied it.

Theaetetus: cheshirecatsmileyface: So I can understand why he thinks the question is above his pay grade.

Additionally, there's the rest of his statement (which is always conveniently left off) that when life begins is a question for scientists and theologists. Since he's neither, this shows humility, rather than the arrogance of someone like McCain who claims to know more than people who've extensively studied it.

I did not realize that. Thanks.

7of7: I can't believe such a huge part of our political process caters to morons who believe they have invisible friends in the sky.

Predator drones aren't quite invisible.

lunchinlewis: He wasn't asked when his campaign thinks human rights can be applied. He wasn't asked when his administration would feel human rights can be applied. He was asked when he believes it. And he wouldn't answer. The man has children! Do you think as a father he would at least have some sort of value system as to what point his children obtained basic human rights?

Maybe he doesn't know. I don't know. I don't pretend to. Maybe Obama knows its an unknowable question with no easy answer. What's wrong with that?

cheshirecatsmileyface: I did not realize that. Thanks.

Transcript (sorry for the caps):
Q: AT WHAT POINT DOES A BABY GET HUMAN RIGHTS IN YOUR VIEW?
Obama: WELL, I THINK THAT WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE OR A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, ANSWERING THAT QUESTION WITH SPECIFICITY, YOU KNOW, IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. BUT LET ME JUST SPEAK MORE GENERALLY ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ABORTION BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTRY WRESTLES WITH. ONE THING THAT I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED OF IS THERE IS A MORAL AND ETHICAL CONTENT TO THIS ISSUE. SO I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO TRIES TO DENY THE MORAL DIFFICULTIES AND GRAVITY OF THE ABORTION ISSUE I THINK IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION. SO THAT WOULD BE POINT NUMBER ONE.
BUT POINT NUMBER TWO, I AM PRO-CHOICE. I BELIEVE IN ROE V. WADE AND COME TO THAT CONCLUSION NOT BECAUSE I'M PRO ABORTION, BUT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I DON'T THINK WOMEN MAKE THESE DECISIONS CASUALLY. THEY WRESTLE WITH THESE THINGS IN PROFOUND WAYS. IN CONSULTATION WITH THEIR PASTORS OR SPOUSES OR THEIR DOCTORS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. AND SO FOR ME, THE GOAL RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE -- AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND AND BY THE WAY I HAVE NOW INSERTED THIS INTO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY PLATFORM IS HOW DO WE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ABORTIONS BECAUSE THE FACT IS THAT ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO IS OPPOSED TO ABORTIONS OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, ABORTIONS HAVE NOT GONE DOWN.

vs.

Q: AT WHAT POINT IS A BABY ENTITLED TO HUMAN RIGHTS?
McCain: AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION. I HAVE A 25-YEAR PRO LIFE RECORD IN THE CONGRESS, IN THE SENATE. AND AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL BE A PRO LIFE PRESIDENT AND THIS PRESIDENCY WILL HAVE PRO LIFE POLICIES. THAT'S MY COMMITMENT, THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU.


Now, which one is the thoughtful humble answer, and which one is the arrogant one?

Lionel Mandrake: And PS, while it wasn't the most politically astute answer ever given, the question about when life begins is above everyone's pay grade.

Very few religions define life as beginning at conception (new window). Traditionally, Judaism defines life as beginning at birth. Sometimes its been at the onset of fetal movement, or the quickening. The latter has also been true for much of Roman Catholicism.

Jamespoon: Elvis_Bogart: Barrack

I don't understand the point of you deliberately misspelling his name this way.

The best way to fight the Democrat Party is through stupidity.

Elvis_Bogart: Barrack in front of Lefty-Hollywood types: Those dumb bible clinging chumps are so beneath us! Ha ha ha, screw those stupid Christers!

Barrack on new "faith and values" tour: I love Jesus! Why, I was a community organizer, just like Jesus! Let's all join hands and pray! Bless you, God! Bless you Jesus! Jesus Jesus Jesus! God God God! Let me handle some snakes!

I used to blame politicians for everything that's wrong with politics, but now I understand why they have to be the way they are.

When you have to factor in the intolerance and ignorance levels of the electorate into your campaign, there's not a single person alive who wouldn't have to lie or show multiple sides to get elected.

Elvis_Bogart: Barrack(sic) or McCain in front of Lefty-Hollywood types: Those dumb bible clinging chumps are so beneath us! Ha ha ha, screw those stupid Christers!Vote for ME.

Barrack(sic) or McCain on new "faith and values" tour: I love Jesus! Why, I was a community organizer, just like Jesus! Let's all join hands and pray! Bless you, God! Bless you Jesus! Jesus Jesus Jesus! God God God! Let me handle some snakes! Vote for ME.


Do you get it now, dingus?

re: below his pay grade

Since when did "conservative" Republicans believe that the President should have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with reproductive rights?

mediaho: Since when did "conservative" Republicans believe that the President should have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with reproductive rights?

About the time that they forgot what "federalist" and "anti-federalist" mean:
McCain: I STRONGLY SUPPORT PRESERVING UNIQUE STATUS OF MARRIAGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN AND I'M A FEDERALIST. I BELIEVE IN THAT STATE SHOULD MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

honeymaid8: Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Oh hell's bells, that old horse?

Not that I want to get into a Scriptural debate, but Matthew 7 is not saying not to judge at all, but to judge by righteous standards - otherwise you're in deep shiat, spiritually speaking. And my best guess at the righteous standard is that if Obama wishes to lead by example, he has to come up with something and not dodge the abortion question.

BTW, when Jesus piped up with that other dorm-room bull-session favorite "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", He sure as hell wasn't saying the hooker who was to be stoned by the pharisees was without sin...because she was caught in the act. He forgave her, but He also told her to find some other line of work.

Darconix: Same issue,

Bwaahahaaaaa!

mediaho: re: below his pay grade

Since when did "conservative" Republicans believe that the President should have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with reproductive rights?

When it became a wedge issue of which they can scare low-information voters into heading to the booth and picking their name.

No one can honestly 'know' where the point a sperm and egg become a 'life'. The best solution is not to force your own religious standards upon the entire country (one that was based on individual freedoms mind you) and instead allow the choice to people who may not share those same views.

If you want to limit them, tax abortions or something, but taking them away completely goes against what our country was based on.

The alternative being that he should tell people who to do with their faith?

GOPers love authoritarianism in every form, apparently.

Theaetetus:

Now, which one is the thoughtful humble answer, and which one is the arrogant one?

McCain made a commitment to ME. So he must be the better choice. We are trying to choose the best salesman and not the most potential to lead our nation, right?

MrGumboPants: GOPers love authoritarianism in every form, apparently.

Know who else loved authoritarianism?

I'm a strychnine-drinking, poisonous snake-handling Christian, so I'm getting a kick out of these OW! Son of a...call an ambulance!

mediaho: re: below his pay grade

Since when did "conservative" Republicans believe that the President should have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with reproductive rights?

Since they let the fundies take over the party. I'd say it was around 1980 or so.

Darconix: Lionel Mandrake: And PS, while it wasn't the most politically astute answer ever given, the question about when life begins is above everyone's pay grade.

It wasn't above the pay grade of the abolitionists to claim that blacks were fully human and not 3/5ths or whatever society used to justify slavery. Same issue, and you pro-choicers are going to end up on the wrong side of history.

You like categorizing people into neatly dismissive little stereotypes, don't you. Almost all of your post include some version of "you [blanks] are blablabla..."

Maybe one day, Christians will realize that Jesus would have thought most of them were assholes.

Take the financial crisis for example. The only time Jesus ever got pissed off was with the money changers or whatever. He had no problem with taxes (render unto Caesar and all that,) but when people were getting ripped off by financial institutions he went ape-shiat.

Jesus wouldn't step foot in a MegaChurch, with all that opulence and love of money, unless he wanted to tear it down. He was all about everyone praying privately.

Evangelicals are the WORST example of Christianity.

Gulper Eel: Not that I want to get into a Scriptural debate, but Matthew 7 is not saying not to judge at all, but to judge by righteous standards -

I love how so many verses in the bible that demands higher standards from Christians get explained away. " 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" Seems clear to me - don't judge.

If a man hits you 700some odd times, you still turn the other cheek becomes 'he didn't say an infinite number of times, so it's ok not to turn the other cheek! But by God, the parts you like, they mean exactly what they say.

AdolfOliverPanties: Maybe one day, Christians will realize that Jesus would have thought most of them were assholes.

'sokay, Jesus was arab looking, so we'd probably lock him up and waterboard his ass.

/wineboard?

Gulper Eel: honeymaid8: Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Oh hell's bells, that old horse?

Not that I want to get into a Scriptural debate, but Matthew 7 is not saying not to judge at all, but to judge by righteous standards - otherwise you're in deep shiat, spiritually speaking. And my best guess at the righteous standard is that if Obama wishes to lead by example, he has to come up with something and not dodge the abortion question.

BTW, when Jesus piped up with that other dorm-room bull-session favorite "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", He sure as hell wasn't saying the hooker who was to be stoned by the pharisees was without sin...because she was caught in the act. He forgave her, but He also told her to find some other line of work.

Agreed. However, the point of the phrase that I was making (and I agree with you that one should judge by righteous standards) is that Obama was simply saying, I don't know what is righteous here, so I'm going to deflect to those who know more than me. I'll argue that is more closely akin to what the Bible as a whole tells you to do than Sen. McCain who stoops to the 'here's what you want to hear' line.

Gulper Eel: Not that I want to get into a Scriptural debate, but Matthew 7 is not saying not to judge at all, but to judge by righteous standards - otherwise you're in deep shiat, spiritually speaking. And my best guess at the righteous standard is that if Obama wishes to lead by example, he has to come up with something and not dodge the abortion question.

He's not dodging it.

The problem for the pro-life crowd is that overturning Roe doesn't create human rights for fetuses. Try reading through the dissents to Roe or Casey or the majority in Carhart, and you won't find any mention of "human rights" for fetuses. Instead, you'll find questions as to whether the federal government should be involved in the abortion question.

This whole "fetal personhood" movement is rather new, and frankly lacks any Constitutional grounding. In all of western history, you got rights when you popped out of the womb. Religious conservatives are demanding that conservative judges re-write all of western history. One might call that "activism."

Obama is doing a rally in Daytona Beach, FL and we went to get tickets early in the morning for it and there was like a 3-5hr line... Cops all over controlling traffic, etc.

I was amazed... Sad I didn't get tickets, but wow, guess that shows the support he has in this area.

Theaetetus: MrGumboPants: GOPers love authoritarianism in every form, apparently.

Know who else loved authoritarianism?

AdolfOliverPanties: Evangelicals are the WORST example of Christianity.

Amen!

Nothing teaches better about the forgiveness and the love of Christ than ridiculing and labeling those different from you and treating them as far inferior to yourself and your "moral high ground".

HoofArted: AdolfOliverPanties: Evangelicals are the WORST example of Christianity.

Amen!

Nothing teaches better about the forgiveness and the love of Christ the prophet Mohammed than ridiculing and labeling those different from you and treating them as far inferior to yourself and your "moral high ground".

Funny how easily that changes...

Dear Religious Conservatives,

I hear heaven is really awesome and/or sweet. I think all you true believers should kill yourselves so you can get there before the rest of those lazy old pew warmers show up and take all the best seats.

What do you say?

-- Me

P.S.
Please.

Elvis_Bogart: Barrack in front of Lefty-Hollywood types: Those dumb bible clinging chumps are so beneath us! Ha ha ha, screw those stupid Christers!

Barrack on new "faith and values" tour: I love Jesus! Why, I was a community organizer, just like Jesus! Let's all join hands and pray! Bless you, God! Bless you Jesus! Jesus Jesus Jesus! God God God! Let me handle some snakes!

Okay, that made me laugh. Not that I agree, and it's probably because of the lack of sleep on my part, but the "Let me handle some snakes!" thing cracked me up.

Why doesn't anyone ever focus on the CAUSE of abortions? People have been ending pregnancy for ever, and if it's outlawed people will STILL end pregnancy, so this is a nonsense issue.

Let's try PREVENTING abortions with better sex ed and more support for pregnant women.

Darconix:
Abortion wasn't legal until some activist judge made it so in the early seventies. One could absolutely call that "activism."


Do you think that means it wasn't happening?

Darconix: LocalCynic: This whole "fetal personhood" movement is rather new, and frankly lacks any Constitutional grounding. In all of western history, you got rights when you popped out of the womb. Religious conservatives are demanding that conservative judges re-write all of western history. One might call that "activism."

Abortion wasn't legal until some activist judge made it so in the early seventies. One could absolutely call that "activism."

Not being legal =/ illegal.

Anyways what gives you the right to impose your own beliefs onto others? Are yours any more substantial because you believe in, say, a different god than another person?

Just did one of those matched donation thingies on Obama's site.

Suck it GOP.