Google ACORN and fraud. This is who Obama "organized" for.

Nemo's Brother: Google ACORN and fraud. This is who Obama "organized" for.

*yawn*

Try something new for a change.

How about "the truth"

FTA: "It's not rocket science," Palin said, according to the town newspaper, the Frontiersman. "It's $6 million and 53 employees."

Wow. She really is a Bush clone.

1.Walk in strutting, saying "Pfft. I got this, y'all chill out."
2.Walk away leaving it a mess, still crowing about what a badass you were.
3. ????
4. Profit!

Apparently she hired a deputy that did most of the work for her. She was basically "the decider" of Wasilla, AK.

"Sarah always did and still does surround herself with people she gets along well with," she said. "They protect her, and that's what she needs. She has surrounded herself with people who would not allow others to disagree with Sarah. Either you were in favor of everything Sarah was doing or had a black mark by your name."

oh good, a staff of yes men and cronies. i bet they did a heckuva job.

/brownie

The GOP should keep bashing the liberal media. I bet they'll love it.

Nemo's Brother: This is who Obama "organized" for.

Citation needed.

New York Public Interest Research Group is ACORN? Ummm no.
Developing Communities Project? No again.
"Project Vote!" isn't ACORN either despite what Michelle Malkin says.

If we're going to insinuate shadowy connections then Google Cheney and "Abuse of Power". It's as much "proof" as what you've offered.

Palin's mayoral and governor roles only proved one thing - she's exactly the kind of woman that chauvinists can accept, as she needs her husband to sign off on her decisions.

Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

And as governor, she appointed a "high school friend" to a $95K per year director position that she was completely unqualified for.

Want 4 more years of completely unearned swagger, cronyism, abuse of power for personal gains and vendettas, and absolutely no farking clue about how the rest of the world operates? Vote McCain/Palin and make America's journey to the dark side complete.

Un-farking-real that these two are serious contenders. Completely mind-blowing and sad.

Swat a Gadfly: Apropos name.

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

That's not lies we can believe in...

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

And that's a problem because?

I like thoughtful people. A pause in speaking is rarely a sign of lack of thought.

What do you do? When you speak practically to the whole world with every public breath?

And really, after 8 years of Bush mangling english so well, David Letterman can make a nearly-nightly joke out of it (Great Moments in Presidential Speech), I can't imagine it bothers you TOO much.

Hey - Obama probably suffered writers cramp filling out all those bogus voter registration forms for ACORN.

Know what the difference is between a pit bull and a community organizer? Teeth.

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

So? The content of what he says is smart and on the money. And what does that have to do with the topic at hand? Oh, that's right. Conservatives only have two settings. Wet themselves over Palin and kneejerk at Obama

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

It's a distracting verbal tic, yes, but please explain how it in any way diminishes the substance of what he's saying.

/lol obama has no substance
//There, I did the hilarious one-liner for you.

mouell: Hey - Obama probably suffered writers cramp filling out all those bogus voter registration forms for ACORN.

Know what the difference is between a pit bull and a community organizer? Teeth.

You guys really can't stop lying, can you?

mouell: Know what the difference is between a pit bull and a community organizer?

Rabies?

Aaron Haynes: Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

It's a distracting verbal tic, yes, but please explain how it in any way diminishes the substance of what he's saying.

/lol obama has no substance
//There, I did the hilarious one-liner for you.

I don't really notice it that much. And I'd much rather listen to a half-second of "uh" while Obama figures out how to word his thoughts, than ten seconds of dead air while McCain completely chokes when asked about his health care policy.

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

And yet, every single time, he produces a complete, grammatically correct, cogent, truthful statement.

I'd like to hear a recording of you, Swat, conversing, or being interviewed, or just riffing on whatever was wandering across your brain cells. We'll even edit out all of yer "uuuh"s and "umm"s and "like"s and crap, and see just how brilliant it looks in print.

The "liberal" MSM wrote it, therefore, even if it's true, we should entirely disregard it and circle the wagons, because the media is the enemy.

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

It's weird. Whenever I see a post like this in a thread that has nothing to do with Obama, I always picture the Dude asking Walter, "what the fark does ANYTHING have to do with Vietnam!?"

Then I always picture the Dude asking McCain the same question.

It's weird.

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

As opposed to the elegant speech patterns W has foisted on us for the past eight years.

/speechifyin'
//I done did it

shower_in_my_socks: And as governor, she appointed a "high school friend" to a $95K per year director position that she was completely unqualified for.

Want 4 more years of completely unearned swagger, cronyism, abuse of power for personal gains and vendettas, and absolutely no farking clue about how the rest of the world operates? Vote McCain/Palin and make America's journey to the dark side complete.

Un-farking-real that these two are serious contenders. Completely mind-blowing and sad.

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What got me were the residents complaining about having government. 2% sales tax? Roads? Town growing? That's too much for them to take!

How long until the "left-wing media smear"-tards show up?

Alphax: What got me were the residents complaining about having government. 2% sales tax? Roads? Town growing? That's too much for them to take!

It's small town alaska. Not to mention, the entire state is used to Oil paying for everything, as the article pointed out.

Even if you grant that her limited time as a small town mayor and governor equates to the experience necessary to be VP and/or President, one only needs to look at the reports of how she surrounds herself with yes men and cronies and purges those that disagree with her in a way that would make Stalin blush to realize that she could be incredibly dangerous if given any real power.

The honeymoon is ending. She tried to play the idea that questioning her qualifications amounted to sexism, but the media is finally doing their job. If people listen and realize how unqualified she truly is, then this race will be over.

I rid myself of the uhz habit long ago as a member of toastmasters.
Forgive me for hijacking the thread but I just haven't found one suitable for my comment.
Obama speechs are hypnotic, mesmerizing, and melliflourous.

and so her vetting by the national media begins ...

Alphax: What got me were the residents complaining about having government. 2% sales tax? Roads? Town growing? That's too much for them to take!

Hint: quite a few Alaskans aren't exactly the "get along well with others" kind.

The Washington Post does some research and discovers Sarah Palin had less responsibilities as mayor of Wasilla than most community organizers have before lunch on Mondays

So that's it? The Washington Post "does some research" and the entire product of it is still comparing resumes? And basically, "BOO-YAH! Suck it Republicans, Obama was a community organizer and that trumps the mayor of a small town!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!"

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

You can come up with questions to stump her for her Vice Presidential debate here. It shouldn't be too hard for her to choke, after seeing her in a round with Charlie Gibson. Imagine in front of the world!

Bloody William 2008-09-14 03:28:26 AM
"I don't really notice it that much. And I'd much rather listen to a half-second of "uh" while Obama figures out how to word his thoughts, than ten seconds of dead air while McCain completely chokes when asked about his health care policy."

Hell, a ten second pause for reflection is still better than Sarah Palin's strategy of spewing a flurry of meaningless phrases in the desperate hope that no one notices her massive incompetence.

Occam's Chainsaw: Alphax: What got me were the residents complaining about having government. 2% sales tax? Roads? Town growing? That's too much for them to take!

Hint: quite a few Alaskans aren't exactly the "get along well with others" kind.

I figured that was a given with Republicans..

JQPublic: The Washington Post does some research and discovers Sarah Palin had less responsibilities as mayor of Wasilla than most community organizers have before lunch on Mondays

So that's it? The Washington Post "does some research" and the entire product of it is still comparing resumes? And basically, "BOO-YAH! Suck it Republicans, Obama was a community organizer and that trumps the mayor of a small town!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!"

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

And Obama's a U.S. Senator. He's not a farking community organizer anymore but you guys seem to think he went straight from that role to presidential candidate.

Although the town had a $4 million surplus, Palin cut the museum budget by $32,000, and the three older women who worked there quit instead of deciding which would have to go. But Palin dipped into the budget to create the deputy administrator slot, which some council members complained was at odds with her small-government stance. She told city officials not to talk to reporters. A recall effort in early 1997 fizzled out, but hard feelings lingered. "Working in small towns, I had never seen someone come in and clean house like that in such a precipitous manner. It was pretty scary and emotional," said Dvorak, the city planner, who left after eight months.

Deuser, the former city attorney, said it was upsetting to hear the McCain campaign refer to Palin's takeover as a matter of getting rid of the "good ol' boy network."

"They were just good public servants who did a really admirable job and deserved better," said Deuser, who was replaced in 1997.

...

Langill, the former councilwoman, said the new hires fit Palin's management style.

"Sarah always did and still does surround herself with people she gets along well with," she said. "They protect her, and that's what she needs. She has surrounded herself with people who would not allow others to disagree with Sarah. Either you were in favor of everything Sarah was doing or had a black mark by your name."

...

Despite the city's flush accounts, the police department under the chief Palin hired to replace Stambaugh required women who said they had been raped to pay for examination kits themselves, a policy Palin now says she rejects. State legislation passed a year later required the town to pay for the kits.

Not traits I want to see in a VP or a president.

Bloody William: JQPublic: The Washington Post does some research and discovers Sarah Palin had less responsibilities as mayor of Wasilla than most community organizers have before lunch on Mondays

So that's it? The Washington Post "does some research" and the entire product of it is still comparing resumes? And basically, "BOO-YAH! Suck it Republicans, Obama was a community organizer and that trumps the mayor of a small town!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!"

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

And Obama's a U.S. Senator. He's not a farking community organizer anymore but you guys seem to think he went straight from that role to presidential candidate.

Take it up with the Washington Post.

JQPublic:

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

A Governor of a state with a population smaller than over a dozen American cities, overseeing a budget smaller than some counties. And yet she still sucked down more Federal dollars per head than any other state just to keep the lights on. Stellar record, go with that.

Her Wasillia years are supposedly when she blossomed into the governing genius Republicans worship today. It's worth mentioning that the first thing she did was spend municipal funds to create a position for someone else to do the actual work.

Argh2: JQPublic:

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

A Governor of a state with a population smaller than over a dozen American cities, overseeing a budget smaller than some counties. And yet she still sucked down more Federal dollars per head than any other state just to keep the lights on. Stellar record, go with that.

Her Wasillia years are supposedly when she blossomed into the governing genius Republicans worship today. It's worth mentioning that the first thing she did was spend municipal funds to create a position for someone else to do the actual work.

Honestly, I can find three or four times as many people 20 miles from my apartment as Palin can find in her whole state. Not that it matters that much, but.. y'know, contextualizing size and scope.

BuckTurgidson: Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

And yet, every single time, he produces a complete, grammatically correct, cogent, truthful statement.


As much as I like Obama, he definitely is not always grammatically correct in interviews. Normally, this would bother me...but he still manages to sound extremely intelligent, so it doesn't really matter.

JQPublic:

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

Yes she is, and apparently a rather lousy one.

Swat a Gadfly: Obama is the wizard of uhz. Without his script he can't string more than four words together without an irritating "uh."

See also: Condi Rice, George W. Bush, and Sarah "In what context?" Palin.

Rice says "Uhhh" when she speaks so much it sounds like there's a lag in her speakers.

Bloody William 2008-09-14 04:00:37 AM
"And Obama's a U.S. Senator. He's not a farking community organizer anymore but you guys seem to think he went straight from that role to presidential candidate."

Another inconvenient truth the Republicans tend to gloss over when discussing Obama is the fact that he was a university professor of constitutional law.

How cool would that be to have a President, for once, who didn't treat the constitution as a hindrance! Obama has spent many years studying the constitution and has shown a great respect for the principles upon which it was founded, and the inspirations of its design.

I wonder how people lived before The Post.

BergZ: Bloody William 2008-09-14 04:00:37 AM
"And Obama's a U.S. Senator. He's not a farking community organizer anymore but you guys seem to think he went straight from that role to presidential candidate."

Another inconvenient truth the Republicans tend to gloss over when discussing Obama is the fact that he was a university professor of constitutional law.

How cool would that be to have a President, for once, who didn't treat the constitution as a hindrance! Obama has spent many years studying the constitution and has shown a great respect for the principles upon which it was founded, and the inspirations of its design.

In fairness, he's still inferior to Ron Paul, because the Constitution doesn't say anything about professors that teach about the Constitution.

vartian: JQPublic:

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

Yes she is, and apparently a rather lousy one.

Yeah, that 80% approval rating is abyssmal, rating immediately above unicorns and below free beer.

How's Nancy Pelosi doing? 9% That ranks below root canal, but above crotch fire.

JQPublic: The Washington Post does some research and discovers Sarah Palin had less responsibilities as mayor of Wasilla than most community organizers have before lunch on Mondays

So that's it? The Washington Post "does some research" and the entire product of it is still comparing resumes? And basically, "BOO-YAH! Suck it Republicans, Obama was a community organizer and that trumps the mayor of a small town!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!"

Hey, Washington Post, Palin's a governor.

Obama's a United States Senator. Before that, he was a state senator. The issue shouldn't be "executive experience" since Sarah doesn't really have any at the national level. In fact, she doesn't know anything about national politics or international politics, as she has shown.

I have no doubt she has a bright political mind, as every article has pointed out. She understands politics and how to get people to vote for her. However, she uses short term tactics. Very similar to the ones Bush and Cheney used. But notice, once their policies started affecting people where it counts (Katrina, the right to die (terry schiavo), the economy), people started to pay attention to them and realized they are full of crap.

As mayor she failed at her only task (for which she appointed herself)- building an ice rink. She left the town in debt, couldn't handle making a deal, and left the project in disarray when she decided to run for governor.

Further, as any intelligent manager can tell you, she gambled her resources in favor of political appeal. You don't hire a public works manager with no engineering experience. She fired a cop because he didn't politically back her up on every issue. She campaigned to have a city attorney fired because he was stopping a developer friend of hers from following the rules. As governor, she hired a friend because she liked cows. These positions exist for a reason- to manage and run a town or state. They don't exist to amplify your image. If you're smart, you'll realize your image will be amplified a lot more if you hire the right people. But, at a national level, having qualified people in these positions is even more important. Do we need another 8 years of a politicized justice department? Do we need national federal agencies that are afraid to disagree or put out reports that don't amplify the presidents or vice presidents views?

Go play Sim City. Try to use Sarah Palin's tactics to develop your city. You'll quickly find out that when political garbage is removed, your strategies for development won't pan out. (And that's a simplified version of running a city, which she had to hire a manager to do).

Campaigning against the sales tax is one thing. But forgoing city planning (as the article mentioned), firing qualified public servants, and leaving a town of 6000 millions in debt coming from a budget surplus is mismanagement. (Especially with all pork her lobbyist achieved).

And that doesn't even account for her basic destruction of the town museum and library (which should have been an integral part of the sports complex- one wing is where you work out and play, the other wing is where you learn and read. There could have been a few shops in between to help finance, and the city would have gotten an excellent deal for its money, a place for children to congregate and play (without the meth), and she would have at least accomplished something).

Bloody William:

In fairness, he's still inferior to Ron Paul, because the Constitution doesn't say anything about professors that teach about the Constitution.

Ron Paul? Author of the "We the People Act"? Facepalm. I'm not to keen on rounding up all the atheists and sending them to death camps. fark Ron Paul.

/atheist.