Bad Subby, that headline assumes facts not in evidence...Palin hasn't released her tax returns yet.

DandamanFL: Bad Subby, that headline assumes facts not in evidence...Palin hasn't released her tax returns yet.

Oh, and I'm sure she WILL. I just hope she has fun trying to explain some of it. Like why she charged the state almost 320 per diems for travel on days she was home.

I'm sure the shredder-noise currently emanating from Juneau has got to be near-deafening.

MaxxLarge: DandamanFL: Bad Subby, that headline assumes facts not in evidence...Palin hasn't released her tax returns yet.

Oh, and I'm sure she WILL. I just hope she has fun trying to explain some of it. Like why she charged the state almost 320 per diems for travel on days she was home.

I'm sure the shredder-noise currently emanating from Juneau has got to be near-deafening.

The per diem "scandal" has already been explained and she did nothing wrong. Try and keep up with which smears are on today's agenda and which ones have already been buried with the moose carcasses.

/Oh, wait! I forgot that truth/validity is irrelevant! Carry on.
//Don't forget - taking things out of context is also acceptable!
///Messiah/Biden '08 Forever!

satchel13:
//Don't forget - taking things out of context is also acceptable!

Hey, knock it if you have to, but if not for exactly that, you're guy would have nothing to use in his lying attack ads.

satchel13: The per diem "scandal" has already been explained and she did nothing wrong.

legally wrong, no. but what she did clearly breaks accounting ethics principles.

MaxxLarge: satchel13:
//Don't forget - taking things out of context is also acceptable!

Hey, knock it if you have to, but if not for exactly that, you're your guy would have nothing to use in his lying attack ads.

Canine companion annoyance.

NightOwl2255:Canine companion annoyance.

Ack...Mine, too. English major and actual working writer here. Bummed I let that one slip out.

Won't happen again.

MaxxLarge: satchel13:
//Don't forget - taking things out of context is also acceptable!

Hey, knock it if you have to, but if not for exactly that, you're guy would have nothing to use in his lying attack ads.

Actually, I'm sick and disgusted by the tactics of both parties, since they are basically the same. Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything. The most disturbing part is that people on both sides keep repeating the same BS. The real problem in America is that the majority of people probably believe one side or the other when they preach this swill and that they think that one of these two idiots can actually "change" things.

/It's just more fun to pick on the Obamarons

satchel13: Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything.

then you haven't read a single policy statement from obama. he goes into immense detail. in fact, his campaign just released a book outlying a lot of his policy proposals. your failure to research is not their failure to provide the materials.

satchel13:
Actually, I'm sick and disgusted by the tactics of both parties, since they are basically the same. Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything. The most disturbing part is that people on both sides keep repeating the same BS.

Well, at least we agree on something.

It's been said before, and it's likely true...If this campaign is about the issues, Obama takes it. But if McCain can somehow twist it to be about "values" (which we all know is really code for uptight, hypocritical fundie-candidate pseudo-morality legislation), then that's the only way he has a chance.

Smart people care about issues. Ignorant, easily-manipulated knee-jerk morons care about what they're told "values" are. Hence the blue/red divide.

That's because Biden is a Godless heathen LOL.

satchel13: Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything.

So..you've never heard Obama talk about his IN DEPTH tax plans? Or foreign policy plans? Or his education plans?

no donations to wacky churches

As a Catholic I'd heartily disagree with said claim.

This is a follow-up to what, exactly?

Were people concerned that Biden wasn't comparatively poor compared to Congress? ^citation (new window)

Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people? Huh? Why do we only hear about McCain's wealth?

/from link in article

what_now: satchel13: Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything.

So..you've never heard Obama talk about his IN DEPTH tax plans? Or foreign policy plans? Or his education plans?

It's much easier to assume both candidates are morons when you're a Fark Independent then, you know, actually read about their respective policies (or, in this case, McCain's lack thereof).

satchel13: MaxxLarge: satchel13:
//Don't forget - taking things out of context is also acceptable!

Hey, knock it if you have to, but if not for exactly that, you're guy would have nothing to use in his lying attack ads.

Actually, I'm sick and disgusted by the tactics of both parties, since they are basically the same. Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything. The most disturbing part is that people on both sides keep repeating the same BS. The real problem in America is that the majority of people probably believe one side or the other when they preach this swill and that they think that one of these two idiots can actually "change" things. am doing what's called false equivalency.

/It's just more fun to pick on the Obamarons

FTFY

salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people? Huh? Why do we only hear about McCain's wealth?

/from link in article

Because McCain is the one harping on Obama being elitist, when, you know, the average person is not, in fact, married to beer heiresses and wears 500 dollar shoes around.

Damn, I gave more than that to charity.

/also, did fark get confused and green light a link about a VP candidate that doesn't have a vagina?
//now thats an easy set up...

salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people? Huh? Why do we only hear about McCain's wealth?

/from link in article

Obama's money came from writing books. McCain's comes from gold digging. Besides, according to McCain, Obama is middle class.

Question: are the Democrats trying to get Palin to release her tax returns, in the hope that skeletons come out of her closet?

MaxxLarge: satchel13:
Actually, I'm sick and disgusted by the tactics of both parties, since they are basically the same. Even when they are supposedly discussing real issues, they don't say anything. The most disturbing part is that people on both sides keep repeating the same BS.

Well, at least we agree on something.

It's been said before, and it's likely true...If this campaign is about the issues, Obama takes it. But if McCain can somehow twist it to be about "values" (which we all know is really code for uptight, hypocritical fundie-candidate pseudo-morality legislation), then that's the only way he has a chance.

Smart people care about issues. Ignorant, easily-manipulated knee-jerk morons care about what they're told "values" are. Hence the blue/red divide.

I really want Obama to win, but not in a creepy cult way. For more information about creepy cult followings of presidential canidates please recall Bush in 2000.

But I can't want it too badly because I am so afraid that some ignorant bs is going to win the day, please recall the "lipstick" controversy.

I am 23 and all my adult life I've watched ignorant bs about values and character and wtf win, it is enough to make you want to stop caring.

I'm giving the world of politics one last shot, if it doesn't work, I'm not giving it any more time or effort, it is just too painful.

salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people? Huh? Why do we only hear about McCain's wealth?

Why don't you look up how much he made the year before he started running for office?

You know... before he got almost 3 million dollars in royalties from EVERYONE buying his book. He's very recently come into money. VERY recently.

ELKAY: I really want Obama to win, but not in a creepy cult way. For more information about creepy cult followings of presidential canidates please recall Bush in 2000.

But I can't want it too badly because I am so afraid that some ignorant bs is going to win the day, please recall the "lipstick" controversy.

I am 23 and all my adult life I've watched ignorant bs about values and character and wtf win, it is enough to make you want to stop caring.

I'm giving the world of politics one last shot, if it doesn't work, I'm not giving it any more time or effort, it is just too painful.

Holy shiat, are you my alt?

salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people?

So you're saying he's not a Marxist?

You say he's an elitist in one breath,
and in the next breath say he's a Marxist.
You say he's a career politician in one breath,
and in the next breath say he's inexperienced.
You say he's a closet Muslim in one breath,
and in the next breath say he's a God-hating abortionist.

I really wish you people would stop breathing so much.

absoluteparanoia: salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people? Huh? Why do we only hear about McCain's wealth?

Why don't you look up how much he made the year before he started running for office?

You know... before he got almost 3 million dollars in royalties from EVERYONE buying his book. He's very recently come into money. VERY recently.

And that changes what exactly? He's a rich bastard just like the other guy. Does it matter when he made it? It sounds like both are fairly out of touch with the average American, yet only 1 is constantly portrayed that way.

So let me get this straight. John McCain's tax plan would lower the taxes on all individuals currently running for the Presidency/Vice-Presidency. Obama's tax plan would raise the taxes on himself and his running mate, as well as his opponent and running mate.

If McCain's Campaign were to put that out there, I wonder what the response would be.

salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people? Huh? Why do we only hear about McCain's wealth?

/from link in article

Because he made that money selling his book, not from marrying into a rich family. Didn't he finish paying off his student loans less than a decade ago?

satchel13: ///Messiah/Biden '08 Forever!

Reagan's running with Biden?!!!

Mighty Taternuts: Because he made that money selling his book, not from marrying into a rich family. Didn't he finish paying off his student loans less than a decade ago?

Still missing your point. Either way, he's loaded! He's out of touch. He's an elitist. whine whine whine.

/don't actually care how much he has.
//hate the double standard.

salvia: And that changes what exactly? He's a rich bastard just like the other guy. Does it matter when he made it? It sounds like both are fairly out of touch with the average American, yet only 1 is constantly portrayed that way.

They're both constantly portrayed that way.

I will say this about the headline. There is no way to know where he donated the cash without the statement to go along with the Schedule A. He COULD have been donating to wacky churches, there is no way to tell from the return.

Fark needs a system to alert users when threads get to the "WELL THEY DO IT TOO" stage.

salvia: Still missing your point. Either way, he's loaded! He's out of touch. He's an elitist. whine whine whine.

What double standard? He was poor until he was rich by working for it. McCain married into richness by doing nothing.

I can see how that would make someone an elitist?

/PS they're both portrayed as rich. But working to become rich is hardly elitist.

salvia: /don't actually care how much he has.
//hate the double standard.

See you are missing the point. McCain tried to paint Obama as elitist. Then he forgot how many houses he owns and some other shiat so Obama supporters are just calling him on his hypocrisy.

absoluteparanoia: What double standard? He was poor until he was rich by working for it. McCain married into richness by doing nothing.

Pretty sure now that Salvia's a troll. I don't think any reasonable person would dispute that Obama's had a far less privileged life than McCain.

Nevertheless, while it is endearing, it's completely inconsequential. I'll vote for Obama based on his policies and leadership, not how much he makes/made in a year.

satchel13: The most disturbing part is that people on both sides keep repeating the same BS. The real problem in America is that the majority of people probably believe one side or the other when they preach this swill and that they think that one of these two idiots can actually "change" things.

If you honestly think that the country will be the same regardless of who is elected, even after seeing the last eight years, and you believe that your unwillingness to research proposed policies is evidence of the nonexistence of those policies, then good, don't vote. There is no place for you in a voting booth.

Joe Biden is the every man. He takes the $250 Acela to work every day just like Joe 6-pack.

CatJumpJohn: satchel13: The most disturbing part is that people on both sides keep repeating the same BS. The real problem in America is that the majority of people probably believe one side or the other when they preach this swill and that they think that one of these two idiots can actually "change" things.

If you honestly think that the country will be the same regardless of who is elected, even after seeing the last eight years, and you believe that your unwillingness to research proposed policies is evidence of the nonexistence of those policies, then good, don't vote. There is no place for you in a voting booth.

I'm honestly curious to see a study that compares campaign promises to actual laws passed once that person was in office. It would be interesting to see the correlation/differences between deadlock and complete control.

For 2007, Mr. Biden and his wife Jill paid taxes of $66,273 on an adjusted gross income of $319,853 in 2007. Their income included $71,000 in royalties, presumably from his book. They had $62,954 in deductions, including $995 in gifts to charities and $38,712 in interest payments. In addition, the Bidens earned very little interest: They reported $99 in interest and no dividends. The interest payments: $73 from the New Castle School Employees Credit Union, $13 from the U.S. Senate Federal Credit Union and $13 the from Wilmington Savings Fund Society.

LOL that's actually almost sad, that somebody who's been in such a powerful positioned that long, hasn't taken more advantage of it.

Fantastic choice Obama!

The_Six_Fingered_Man: I'm honestly curious to see a study that compares campaign promises to actual laws passed once that person was in office. It would be interesting to see the correlation/differences between deadlock and complete control.

Here's an NPR piece on such a study. (new window)

CatJumpJohn: The_Six_Fingered_Man: I'm honestly curious to see a study that compares campaign promises to actual laws passed once that person was in office. It would be interesting to see the correlation/differences between deadlock and complete control.

Here's an NPR piece on such a study. (new window)

Wish I had speakers here at work. Thanks anyway!

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: salvia: Obama made 4.2M last year, and he's one of the people?

So you're saying he's not a Marxist?

You say he's an elitist in one breath,
and in the next breath say he's a Marxist.
You say he's a career politician in one breath,
and in the next breath say he's inexperienced.
You say he's a closet Muslim in one breath,
and in the next breath say he's a God-hating abortionist.



Well stated.

moralpanic:
LOL that's actually almost sad, that somebody who's been in such a powerful positioned that long, hasn't taken more advantage of it.

Fantastic choice Obama!

Yeah!!! Damn you Obama for picking someone who has had power but not corrupted by it! I mean an entrenched, corrupt Senator would help you bring the change you want!!

moralpanic: For 2007, Mr. Biden and his wife Jill paid taxes of $66,273 on an adjusted gross income of $319,853 in 2007. Their income included $71,000 in royalties, presumably from his book. They had $62,954 in deductions, including $995 in gifts to charities and $38,712 in interest payments. In addition, the Bidens earned very little interest: They reported $99 in interest and no dividends. The interest payments: $73 from the New Castle School Employees Credit Union, $13 from the U.S. Senate Federal Credit Union and $13 the from Wilmington Savings Fund Society.

LOL that's actually almost sad, that somebody who's been in such a powerful positioned that long, hasn't taken more advantage of it.

Fantastic choice Obama!

And if he made more, you would be ranting about how he couldn't have made all that money legally, that he was skimming or otherwise taking from the gummint.

Am I the only one that thinks the Obama/Biden ticket is backwards?

mizchief: Am I the only one that thinks the Obama/Biden ticket is backwards?

Probably not, but I don't think so.

mizchief: Am I the only one that thinks the Obama/Biden ticket is backwards?

Nope. Obama is the one with the vision/leadership, but Biden is the one entrenched soldier that knows how the system works, to get that leadership done.

absoluteparanoia: ELKAY: I really want Obama to win, but not in a creepy cult way. For more information about creepy cult followings of presidential canidates please recall Bush in 2000.

But I can't want it too badly because I am so afraid that some ignorant bs is going to win the day, please recall the "lipstick" controversy.

I am 23 and all my adult life I've watched ignorant bs about values and character and wtf win, it is enough to make you want to stop caring.

I'm giving the world of politics one last shot, if it doesn't work, I'm not giving it any more time or effort, it is just too painful.

Holy shiat, are you my alt?


I was thinking the same thing. For me, 23 was a few election cycles back... The pain does not subside.

/masochist

I doubt his hands are clean, being in politics as long as he has.

Simple fact is no one cares about Biden's tax papers because no one cares about Biden. He is a known quantity, and he's become the anchor of cruel political realities in an uplifting campaign that was supposed to be about hope and change.
The democratic parties old devils will demand their due, and his nomination to VP was proof of that.

Of course he's also becoming a liability.
If the Palin thing does not run its course in the next week or two, or the man can't prove his value, I wouldn't be surprised if Biden suddenly found himself in need of spending more time with the family.

Obama needs to recapture peoples imaginations and slandering your opponents hench-woman simply wont do anymore.