Pretty much sums it up Walker

That's what I love most about this. McCain picking her was just so obviously a transparent, desperate bid to try for disgruntled Hillary voters. It was cynical, dismissive and insulting. "Here ya go, soccer moms. I know you like women candidates, so here's one. Howzabout you vote for her? She'll pretty much do, right?"

Just goes to show what he really thinks of the voters on the whole.

MaxxLarge: That's what I love most about this. McCain picking her was just so obviously a transparent, desperate bid to try for disgruntled Hillary voters. It was cynical, dismissive and insulting. "Here ya go, soccer moms. I know you like women candidates, so here's one. Howzabout you vote for her? She'll pretty much do, right?"

Just goes to show what he really thinks of the voters on the whole.

Uh, pretty sure picking her was to appeal to the conservative base. A secondary effect could be more women voting for her, but it was definately to energise the base, which it has.

What the media is missing is the women who aren't loud about politics, and don't have a catchy name for themselves. My Mom and all her friends.

The women who have never gone to a political rally, and don't answer polls, but are quietly furious about McCain assuming they'll vote for anything with "two tits, a whole and a heartbeat".

Sure he "energized his base". He may have even increased the turnout of those evangelicals who might have stayed home. But he pissed off a LOT of people.

ZachF81: A secondary effect could be more women voting for her, but it was definately to energise the base, which it has.

Those people weren't voting for Obama anyway, and he failed, utterly failed, at the secondary effect.

After looking at those numbers I'd just like to say most of us white men are farking stupid.

what_now: Sure he "energized his base". He may have even increased the turnout of those evangelicals who might have stayed home. But he pissed off a LOT of people.

I sure hope you're right.
But I, for one, am concerned.


/No, seriously!

what_now: Those people weren't voting for Obama anyway, and he failed, utterly failed, at the secondary effect.

They weren't going to vote for Obama, but they also weren't into the election at all. Not donating, not campaigning, etc. Now they are.

I honestly don't think McCain picked her. It was the Party Elite who did because it's a cynical ploy to get women and fundies to vote for her. She is perfect for this despite a lack of experience. The fact she is charismatic doesn't hurt.

Rev. Skarekroe: I sure hope you're right.
But I, for one, am concerned.


/No, seriously!

Then donate and volunteer to the Obama campaign. That is what I am doing.

I came here for that reference Sybarite, and I am not disappointed.

McCain's running for president?

WalkingCarpet: McCain's running for president?

Well, it's more like shuffling stiffly while whistling through his dentures, honestly.

But don't worry. I'm sure he'll live through his first term. No chance an ancient, beat-up guy who's had cancer four times will croak in office and leave an earmark-happy, fiscally-irresponsible, greener-than-a-brussels-sprout fundie dingbat who wants to go to war with Russia to run things.

Everything's going to be JUST FINE.

MaxxLarge: But don't worry. I'm sure he'll live through his first term. No chance an ancient, beat-up guy who's had cancer four times will croak in office and leave an earmark-happy, fiscally-irresponsible, greener-than-a-brussels-sprout fundie dingbat who wants to go to war with Russia to run things.

Everything's going to be JUST FINE.

Well, at least she might forget how to implement the Bush Doctrine. That would be a plus.

Cagey B: Well, at least she might forget how to implement the Bush Doctrine. That would be a plus.

What, you mean like his world view? Like, with Islamic fundamentalism, and like, in the Iraq, and such as?

I lol'd.

Hillary Clinton supporters should know that McCain called her a pig.

Link (new window)

However, McCain was never accused of being sexist when he uttered those words.
Link (new window)

what_now: "two tits, a whole and a heartbeat"

A whole what???!!

The Grammar Police wish to now.

WalkingCarpet: McCain's running for president?

Well, not "running" so much, more of a shuffle

I blame these biatches:

what_now: What the media is missing is the women who aren't loud about politics, and don't have a catchy name for themselves. My Mom and all her friends.

The women who have never gone to a political rally, and don't answer polls, but are quietly furious about McCain assuming they'll vote for anything with "two tits, a whole and a heartbeat".

Sure he "energized his base". He may have even increased the turnout of those evangelicals who might have stayed home. But he pissed off a LOT of people.

I'm guessing that your mother was probably planning to vote Democrat in the first place, because interpreting it that way requires that one have a lot of hate built up beforehand. She's a sitting governor, she's a much more polarized republican than McCain, she provided a bear-trap for the media that they obligingly stepped in. Being female was hardly the first concern when she was chosen, I'd imagine.

//Everyone going with the 'no experience' stance should think a bit harder, as she's the only person on either ticket with any executive experience at all.

ZachF81: Uh, pretty sure picking her was to appeal to the conservative base. A secondary effect could be more women voting for her, but it was definately to energise the base, which it has.

You mean to create a cult of personality?

Richard Pye: what_now:

Sorry, I lost tags, people in my precious quote

Get back to me when Gallup starts using cell phones to call people.

Yeah, cause... you know. Blacks wouldn't flock to one candidate based on skin color.

McCain has thrown up the screen of culture wars.

This makes people forget what there interests are, but vote based on values.

If this is about values and not issues, McCain will win.

Perhaps it's because women would like the right to choose an abortion if they're impregnated by a rapist?

The current Republican ticket would deprive them of that.

cburkard: Yeah, cause... you know. Blacks wouldn't flock to one candidate based on skin color.

You mean like when Bill Clinton got 86% of the black vote in 96? Or how about when Kerry got about the same number in 2004?

It's as if skin colour were somehow correlative to policy positions...

what_now: What the media is missing is the women who aren't loud about politics, and don't have a catchy name for themselves. My Mom and all her friends.

The women who have never gone to a political rally, and don't answer polls, but are quietly furious about McCain assuming they'll vote for anything with "two tits, a whole and a heartbeat".

Sure he "energized his base". He may have even increased the turnout of those evangelicals who might have stayed home. But he pissed off a LOT of people.

ABSOLUTELY.

I was completely undecided before he chose her. I used to really like McCain, I was keeping track of his changing views (Yes, gay adoption is good, wait, no it isn't) and was having a hard time deciding if he was really a sell-out, or if he was just switching to get his base.

Now I am disgusted. Before it was about voting between the lesser of two evils. Now it's about doing what's RIGHT for my country - NOT voting for the most inexperienced joke to ever be eligible for the presidency running behind the oldest man ever to run.

I'm with your mom. McCain lost my white woman vote. Where's my story and headline and soundbite?

DeRosso
"two tits, a whole and a heartbeat"

A whole what???!!

The Grammar Police wish to now.

Intentional?

McCain voted against Biden's bill requiring free rape exams for rape victims.

Those exams collect physical evidence that can be used in prosecutions.

I guess if you can't afford health care you gonna get raped.

Not my idea of a candidate who supports women's issues.

ReeferChiefer: DeRosso
"two tits, a whole and a heartbeat"

A whole what???!!

The Grammar Police wish to now.

Intentional?

I'm guessing yes, but that belongs to Richard Pye :)

Jim_Callahan:
//Everyone going with the 'no experience' stance should think a bit harder, as she's the only person on either ticket with any executive experience at all.

Thinking... thinking... nope. No worthwhile experience at all. She is an empty pantsuit.

Scanlon Kelsey: She is an empty pantsuit.

She wears skirts. And her ability to wear a short skirt and still look professional proves that she has the executive look so important when dealing with foreign heads of state.

MaxxLarge: That's what I love most about this. McCain picking her was just so obviously a transparent, desperate bid to try for disgruntled Hillary voters. It was cynical, dismissive and insulting. "Here ya go, soccer moms. I know you like women candidates, so here's one. Howzabout you vote for her? She'll pretty much do, right?"

Just goes to show what he really thinks of the voters on the whole.

That and the MILF-lovin' white male Independents. Not to mention the Jeebus Freaks (who also would be in the Bang The MILF club.)

White women? Maybe not so much...ever seen a middle-aged white woman around a better looking middle-aged white woman? They get really biatchy. Quick. Especially if their husband breaks the Three Second Rule or gets Lumpy Pants.

cburkard: Yeah, cause... you know. Blacks wouldn't flock to one candidate based on skin color.

Blacks already vote 90% Democrat. If they went 90% for a Republican you'd have something.

Another white woman disappointed by McCain here.

Does he think we can't see past the lipstick?

(Yes, I'm an Obama supporter. But I wasn't going to really mind if McCain won. Now I would.)

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: If they went 90% for a Republican you'd have something.

Yeah. Pure stupidity.

bubbaprog: Perhaps it's because women would like the right to choose an abortion if they're impregnated by a rapist?

The current Republican ticket would deprive them of that.

How would it? You honestly believe that they're going to overturn Roe vs Wade? Not only that, but they're going to push the line so far as to make it impossible for rape victims to get abortions?

You can argue what the current Republican ticket would LIKE to do, but that is different than what they WILL do.

/McCain supporter
//Tired of hearing about abortion from both sides

cchurch: You honestly believe that they're going to overturn Roe vs Wade?

Their appointees to the Supreme Court might very well overturn it.

zenobia: Another white woman disappointed by McCain here.

Does he think we can't see past the lipstick?

(Yes, I'm an Obama supporter. But I wasn't going to really mind if McCain won. Now I would.)

cchurch: //Tired of hearing about abortion from both sides

Please.

Please! Do you think the Dems *want* to talk about abortion? It's a horrible issue for the left, and it's kept the GOP in power for 30 years.

Sorry, but abortion is a right wing construction. It only benefits one side to keep talking about it. It's your folks who keep this shiat going.

cchurch: bubbaprog: Perhaps it's because women would like the right to choose an abortion if they're impregnated by a rapist?

The current Republican ticket would deprive them of that.

How would it? You honestly believe that they're going to overturn Roe vs Wade? Not only that, but they're going to push the line so far as to make it impossible for rape victims to get abortions?

You can argue what the current Republican ticket would LIKE to do, but that is different than what they WILL do.

/McCain supporter
//Tired of hearing about abortion from both sides

I honestly believe that the next president will be replacing at least one liberal justice. Right now the court is split 4-1-4 and does a pretty good job of being balanced. Change that to 3-1-5 and lots of things will change. McCain may be able to appoint a balanced Justice. Palin I don't think would.

cchurch: You honestly believe that they're going to overturn Roe vs Wade?

The next administration will be in a position to nominate at least two Supreme Court justices. If conservatives are confirmed, it's just a matter of time before we see even more cases filed attempting to establish the rights of a fetus.

cchurch: How would it? You honestly believe that they're going to overturn Roe vs Wade?

There are enough anti-abortion Democrats in the Senate - even assuming a bloodbath in November - to go along with Republicans that in all likelihood, two anti-abortion justices would be appointed in the first term.

With a Democrat in office, pro-choice justices are more likely to be appointed and approved by the Senate.

Some of these women are stuck on stupid thinking Palin wanted rape victims to pay for their own rape kits. The fact is, it was a state bill sponsored by a Democrat named Eric Croft.

But, hey! "Sarah Palin hates rape victims!" sounds so much better!

ExJerseyGirl: cchurch: You honestly believe that they're going to overturn Roe vs Wade?

Their appointees to the Supreme Court might very well overturn it.

Roe vs. Wade is bad law. And if it overturned it will not make abortion illegal. It will fall back to a state issue to control rather than federal.