These ballots are not invalid. The voter only needs check the box to state they are allowed to vote.

McCains camp simply didn't check the rules closely enough that basically states that you don't need to have a checkbox, simply a statement on the ballot that says you are allowed to vote.

There's a difference between invalid (read: incorrect) and idiotic (read: florida ballots)

Absentee ballots applications with invalid return addresses, if that is indeed happening, would be a problem...

The sweet irony is that these went to REPUBLICANS!

Priceless.

Big Red Al: These ballots are not invalid. The voter only needs check the box to state they are allowed to vote.

McCains camp simply didn't check the rules closely enough that basically states that you don't need to have a checkbox, simply a statement on the ballot that says you are allowed to vote.

There's a difference between invalid (read: incorrect) and idiotic (read: florida ballots)

This.

The desperation rolling off the Daily Kos diarists is palpable.

Since when did the campaigns become responsible for creating and mailing ballots?

Well, if it's from Kos, it must be true. They have a spotless record for accuracy.

Don't uncheck this box if you don't not want to not vote against McCain.

Lieutenant Rad: Since when did the campaigns become responsible for creating and mailing ballots?

Standard operating procedure. GOTV efforts have evolved from phone calls to pretty much doing everything short of wiping your ass for you.

So, the McCain campaign is sending out bad absentee ballot request forms in Democratic states and to Democrats...

Deliberate attempt to prevent lefties from voting by getting them to send in an invalid request, which will be rejected, leaving the voter disenfranchised?

Seems a bit excessive, even for McCain, but these days little would surprise me.

DeltaXi65: Standard operating procedure. GOTV efforts have evolved from phone calls to pretty much doing everything short of wiping your ass for you.

I always thought the govnt was in charge of ballots.

At least making, mailing, and counting them.

Lieutenant Rad: DeltaXi65: Standard operating procedure. GOTV efforts have evolved from phone calls to pretty much doing everything short of wiping your ass for you.

I always thought the govnt was in charge of ballots.

At least making, mailing, and counting them.

I'm wondering if there's some way they can put out absentee ballot requests. Here, it's the county auditor that sends out ballots, nobody else.

Nekulturny: Well, if it's from Kos, it must be true. They have a spotless record for accuracy.

They tend to cite sources. But don't let me stop you, you seem to be really enjoying hacking the messenger into tiny little pieces.

They're in Pennsylvania too ^{(^)}

Big Red Al These ballots are not invalid. The voter only needs check the box to state they are allowed to vote.


About one-third of the absentee ballot applications received at the Hamilton County Board of Elections have been ruled invalid

oooooh all the Hamilton County Board of Elections had to do was read the Fark.com thread to know how to do their jobs.

Why do people post Daily Kos "articles" that link to the real articles on real news sites?

Link (new window)

Anything linked from Daily Kos, NRO or any other fringe sites are generally dismissed as bullshiat. The only reason to link to one of these sites is to start a flame war. Just link the real story.

Occam's Chainsaw: They tend to cite sources. But don't let me stop you, you seem to be really enjoying hacking the messenger into tiny little pieces.

They also tend to delete posts after inconvenient facts prove them wrong. I give Kos about the same weight I give World Net Daily which is to say, none.

Huh. This was actually caught on FARK a couple times earlier, or in TotalFark, anyway. So it's amusing to watch people bash Kos. Heh.

CowboyNinjaD: Why do people post Daily Kos "articles" that link to the real articles on real news sites?

Link (new window)

Anything linked from Daily Kos, NRO or any other fringe sites are generally dismissed as bullshiat. The only reason to link to one of these sites is to start a flame war. Just link the real story.

Ahh, beat me to the notice. I guess I owe you a coke. Or I can't talk until you say my name? I forget all the rules.

Nekulturny: They also tend to delete posts after inconvenient facts prove them wrong. I give Kos about the same weight I give World Net Daily which is to say, none.

You would prefer they keep pushing the lie hard and fast as opposed to correcting falsehoods?

Sure, for about the first ten minutes any Kos blog post is alive, it should be treated as so much hot air, but once you hit the supporting links and see that there's actual facts and evidence...

Question about absentee ballots (this seems a good place to ask):

I don't live in the US, nor have I lived in the US for 7 years. I don't think there's a state I've lived in in my adult life long enough to be a resident (unless 4 1/2 years in FL counts). If I decided I wanted to vote in this election, which state would my Absentee Ballot be for?

Any state?

The state I lived in the longest? (PA for 8 years before I was an adult)

The state I lived in longest as an adult? (FL for University plus 1 year of work)

The state where my mother lives? (TN, but I've never actually lived there)

The state where my father lives? (IL, but I haven't lived there for about 23 years)

The state I put for my permanent address on my various visa and immigration forms? (TN or MA depending on when I filled out the form)

Just curious. I don't intend to vote anyway, since, assuming it wouldn't get lost in the mail, it would be a wasted vote since A.) it won't go to either of the two candidates that will receive 98% of the vote and B.) I don't intend to live in the US again anyway.

Lieutenant Rad: Since when did the campaigns become responsible for creating and mailing ballots?

Just like the McCain campaign, subby forgot to double-check his work.

haemaker: Lieutenant Rad: Since when did the campaigns become responsible for creating and mailing ballots?

Just like the McCain campaign, subby forgot to double-check his work.

No, actually this is pretty standard. Campaigns have been doing this for awhile. Hit the Cincinnati Enquirer link; I didn't know it until this evening, myself.

mamoru: I don't live in the US, nor have I lived in the US for 7 years. I don't think there's a state I've lived in in my adult life long enough to be a resident (unless 4 1/2 years in FL counts). If I decided I wanted to vote in this election, which state would my Absentee Ballot be for?

Here you go.

It is the state you last lived in.

ragekage: No, actually this is pretty standard. Campaigns have been doing this for awhile. Hit the Cincinnati Enquirer link; I didn't know it until this evening, myself.

Urrr, subby meant the Absentee Voter APPLICATION, not the BALLOT.

/I am caught in some kind of vortex of FAIL here.

mamoru: Question about absentee ballots (this seems a good place to ask):

I don't live in the US, nor have I lived in the US for 7 years. I don't think there's a state I've lived in in my adult life long enough to be a resident (unless 4 1/2 years in FL counts). If I decided I wanted to vote in this election, which state would my Absentee Ballot be for?

Any state?

The state I lived in the longest? (PA for 8 years before I was an adult)

The state I lived in longest as an adult? (FL for University plus 1 year of work)

The state where my mother lives? (TN, but I've never actually lived there)

The state where my father lives? (IL, but I haven't lived there for about 23 years)

The state I put for my permanent address on my various visa and immigration forms? (TN or MA depending on when I filled out the form)

Just curious. I don't intend to vote anyway, since, assuming it wouldn't get lost in the mail, it would be a wasted vote since A.) it won't go to either of the two candidates that will receive 98% of the vote and B.) I don't intend to live in the US again anyway.

I would say the last state and county where you were a legal resident.

haemaker: Here you go.

It is the state you last lived in.

Ah, I see. Interesting. I guess that means I should choose Tennessee because I lived there for 2 months before leaving the country and that is where the last address I had my mail forwarded to is located.

Hmmm...

Thanks for the info.

Cyclometh: I would say the last state and county where you were a legal resident.

Define legal resident, please.

/seriously, I am clueless about this stuff
//have moved around too much and every state has different rules for defining residency

haemaker: ragekage: No, actually this is pretty standard. Campaigns have been doing this for awhile. Hit the Cincinnati Enquirer link; I didn't know it until this evening, myself.

Urrr, subby meant the Absentee Voter APPLICATION, not the BALLOT.

/I am caught in some kind of vortex of FAIL here.

Ahhh, I misunderstood. The title at Kos appears to be accurate. Well, hey- it's not news, after all. ;)

Lighten up, my friends!

mamoru: Ah, I see. Interesting. I guess that means I should choose Tennessee because I lived there for 2 months before leaving the country and that is where the last address I had my mail forwarded to is located.

Hmmm...

Thanks for the info.

Make a point of checking TN requirements for claiming residency. Some states have a six month or one year period of physically residing there before you can claim residence, and TN makes sense as a tax shelter with the no payroll taxes thing.

Occam's Chainsaw: Make a point of checking TN requirements for claiming residency. Some states have a six month or one year period of physically residing there before you can claim residence, and TN makes sense as a tax shelter with the no payroll taxes thing.

You know, sometimes I get the feeling that, even though I was born and raised in the United States, by the various states' rules, I am not a legal resident of ANY state, either due to time requirement or tax requirements or age requirements or some mix of those three.

*sigh*

mamoru: You know, sometimes I get the feeling that, even though I was born and raised in the United States, by the various states' rules, I am not a legal resident of ANY state, either due to time requirement or tax requirements or age requirements or some mix of those three.

*sigh*

Even if you're not a legal resident of TN, you should be good in Florida. You were an adult while residing there, and I'm pretty sure their residency requirements are "have a pulse".

mamoru: Cyclometh: I would say the last state and county where you were a legal resident.

Define legal resident, please.

/seriously, I am clueless about this stuff
//have moved around too much and every state has different rules for defining residency

It varies. I'd start with your most recent states of residence- where you had a driver's license, etc., check the laws. Usually you have to live there for a period of time.

Keep going back until you find one that you fit the residency requirements for.

/or just ask an attorney

Occam's Chainsaw: Even if you're not a legal resident of TN, you should be good in Florida. You were an adult while residing there, and I'm pretty sure their residency requirements are "have a pulse".

But, I was a student for the majority of my time there, and I was under the impression that this doesn't count in most states, though I don't know about FL. Oh well, like I said, it's not important, because no matter who I vote for, it won't be the winner.

Cyclometh: Keep going back until you find one that you fit the residency requirements for.

Just out of curiosity, what would be the case for a person that, by various technicalities, does not actually have a legal state of residence?

Does this person no longer have the right to vote?

/the way my life goes, these things always become complicated
//can't even answer "Where are you from?" simply.
///The USA. "Which part?" East. "No, which state?" *sigh* KansasIllinoisNewYorkPennsylvaniaFloridaTennessee "Oh..."

mamoru: Cyclometh: Keep going back until you find one that you fit the residency requirements for.

Just out of curiosity, what would be the case for a person that, by various technicalities, does not actually have a legal state of residence?

Does this person no longer have the right to vote?

/the way my life goes, these things always become complicated
//can't even answer "Where are you from?" simply.
///The USA. "Which part?" East. "No, which state?" *sigh* KansasIllinoisNewYorkPennsylvaniaFloridaTennessee "Oh..."

I'm no lawyer or voting rights specialist, but you can't be denied the right to vote.

In the extreme case, your state of residence would be your state of birth, I expect. But I really doubt you have to go back that far.

mamoru: Does this person no longer have the right to vote?

You ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS* have the right to vote at the national level. It's local races that will get a bit confusing.

*Very few ultra-rare exceptions apply.

Cyclometh: In the extreme case, your state of residence would be your state of birth, I expect. But I really doubt you have to go back that far.

That would be funny, because I only lived there for 6 months. ;)

Occam's Chainsaw: You ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS* have the right to vote at the national level. It's local races that will get a bit confusing.

True. You just have to figure out where and how to register when you are a special case like myself. It was more of a rhetorical question about the various roadblocks that can get in the way of someone's right to vote because of the bureaucracy of it all.

Anyway, like I said, not really a big deal. We can now return to your regularly scheduled Kos-and/or-McCain-bashing thread. ;)

Hey, I am all about Obama 100%, but it isn't a bad thing for McCain to do his due diligence to get elected. Seriously.


HEY, CONSERVATIVE FARKERS! IS THAT ENOUGH TO GET ME FARKIED AS "LIBTARD, BUT NOT STUPID"

aquigley: Hey, I am all about Obama 100%, but it isn't a bad thing for McCain to do his due diligence to get elected. Seriously.


HEY, CONSERVATIVE FARKERS! IS THAT ENOUGH TO GET ME FARKIED AS "LIBTARD, BUT NOT STUPID"

No. Just a bit trolly...

With McCain ahead in the polls, I was wondering when the left would start up the voter-fraud rumor mill.

hubiestubert: aquigley: Hey, I am all about Obama 100%, but it isn't a bad thing for McCain to do his due diligence to get elected. Seriously.


HEY, CONSERVATIVE FARKERS! IS THAT ENOUGH TO GET ME FARKIED AS "LIBTARD, BUT NOT STUPID"

No. Just a bit trolly...

hubie, you have a great profile pic, rise above the partisanship and agree that I am right

TheConvincingSavant: With McCain ahead in the polls, I was wondering when the left would start up the voter-fraud rumor mill.

Well, considering the McCain campaign apparently admitted this one, and it seems that actually the election fraud was most likely prepetrated against Republicans in this instance- but hey, don't let that get in the way of your automatic, mouth-breathing response.

Besides, it's probably your wife, anyway.

TheConvincingSavant: With McCain ahead in the polls, I was wondering when the left would start up the voter-fraud rumor mill.

HUUURRRR!!! You so funny!

TheConvincingSavant: With McCain ahead in the polls, I was wondering when the left would start up the voter-fraud rumor mill.

Please, give me a farking break.
It was proven the GOP used caging in Florida and Ohio both in 2000 and 2004.
The Republicans have proven they can't win a fair and ethical election.

TheConvincingSavant: With McCain ahead in the polls my head clearly stuck up the GOP's ass, I was wondering when the left would start up the voter-fraud rumor millpeople would forget that I am a dishonest asshole.

FTFY.

TheConvincingSavant: With McCain ahead in the polls, I was wondering when the left would start up the voter-fraud rumor mill.

Why do you label this as something done against your party? Why can't you clearly see that it is being done against your country. Do you put party before country? Where do your loyalties lye?

rppp01a: Do you put party before country? Where do your loyalties lye?

I think you know the answer to that.

I work at a BoE in Ohio, doing data-entry, and I haven't heard anything about this. Then again, I guess it wouldn't be openly talked about.

I got one, in Madison, WI. The return address provided is not Madison, it's Mayville. Wherever that is, it's not where you register to vote.

Honestly, this is straight up fraud. You can really tell Karl Rove has his grubby little paws near the campaign...