So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

What about her church's mortar, smitty?

Say what you want about the tenets of Palin's church, at least it's an ethos.

oldebayer: What about her church's mortar, smitty?

I don't think they have any artillery.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

How about in order to be "fair and balanced" the media should designate the same amount of time to Palin's church as they designated to Reverend Wright?

That sound good, friend-o?

dgc360: How about in order to be "fair and balanced" the media should designate the same amount of time to Palin's church as they designated to Reverend Wright?

That sound good, friend-o?

totally unfair, and they'll stamp their little feet until you take it back !

It's the "taxpayer support" section that should twist the knickers of honest conservatives and Fark Independents^TM.

Can we make some kind of rule about people believing "the end of the world by supernatural forces is imminent" NOT being allowed to serve at a high level in the government?

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Actually, I think we should care very much about both. We're still electing irrational tards from both parties. I for one would like a better choice.

Oh, look, the daily Koont is bloviating again.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

#1, I guarantee we're not going to hear as much about this as we did the dear Rev.

#2, the Rev Wright thing was a comment he made, not the official stance of the church and

#3, Obama's church falls short of being essentially a psychotic suicide cult. I don't want someone with dreams of The Apocalypse with her finger on the button (should McCain check out early).

/not that we didn't have 8 years of that with Dubya

tl/dr.

TUCC did not hate white people. They may have believed in a lot of stupid things (Christianity), but they did not hate white people.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Wow...defensive, much?

A blog post = weeks of MSM coverage on Wright?

You protest too much, outraged FARKer.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Having read Wright's sermons, and having read a number of the tenets of the Assemblies of God, I'm inclined to agree more with what Jeremiah Wright has to say than the Assemblies of God.

/Libertarian
//not quite a Fark Independent^TM, I vote for too many (D)s

I also don't recall in any of the crap they dragged out about Wright, that he ever advocated the elimination of the separation clause in the Constitution. And I don't recall Obama ever getting up in front of that congregation to pray that God endorses his policy positions.

Say what you will about the tenets of Sarah Palin's church, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

pizen: Say what you will about the tenets of Sarah Palin's church, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Quoting The Big Lebowski would be funnier if you weren't an hour late.

I hope you folks realize the Assemblies of God is the same church from Jesus Camp

exick: Quoting The Big Lebowski would be funnier if you weren't an hour late.

You and your details.

question_dj: I hope you folks realize the Assemblies of God is the same church from Jesus Camp

I never understood whay so many people had a problem with those people in that movie.

question_dj: I hope you folks realize the Assemblies of God is the same church from Jesus Camp

Awesome.

palelizard: Can we make some kind of rule about people believing in "the end of the world by supernatural forces is imminent" NOT being allowed to serve at a high level in the government?

I would support this.

I think it is just as ridiculous to focus on this as it was to focus on Obama's church.

But, I'd like to see this story get played non-stop for a month like Rev. Wright stuff just to see the GOP heads pop from the sheer hypocrisy of their argument that this shouldn't matter.

2wolves

oldebayer: "What about her church's mortar, smitty?"

I don't think they have any artillery.


This is why I seldom make comments about bad spelling in headlines: when they go green, they are usually changed to proper spelling. The original, which I didn't think would go green, read "tenents," and my little play on words, now rendered incomprehensible, was a reference to "mortar and tenent." The stuff that churches are made from.

I hate it when they correct spelling in greenlit headlines. :-(

/Unless, of course, they are mine.

bulldg4life: I think it is just as ridiculous to focus on this as it was to focus on Obama's church.

I think it's fairly significant. What if she belonged to some other religion that believed basically the same crazy shiat but wasn't genuine USDA Approved Christianity? People would lose their minds. She'd be burned at the stake. And no, I don't want anyone who actually believes those things running the country (again, assuming McCain bites it early).

Two questions every candidate for every national political office should have to answer:

1. Do you believe that their will be a "Holy War" ending in the Apocalypse within your children's lifetime?

(If yes to 1) 2. Do you believe that in your role as (whatever they are running for) that you should help to advance mankind to that end?

If their answers do not jive with their history (churches they belonged to, previous speaches, etc), then you can do some followups to try to determine their sincerity in answering these questions.

Apocalyptic Christians in high levels of power is probably one of the scarier things that can happen to the U.S. (or the world for that matter). People who are not big fans of unwarranted death to make someones fantasy prophecy come true need to be more vigilant in asking these questions to people running for high office.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Not necessarily. But, if we're supposed to care about Rev. Wright, why shouldn't also care about Palin's church?
Nice double standard.

I thought we had all agreed that church is a place full of crazy uncles whose rantings should not be attributed to the churchgoers. Remember, belonging to a church doesn't require you to believe anything.

filth: Remember, belonging to a church doesn't require you to believe anything.

Well, I'm sure that argument makes a lot more sense to you now. Which way would you like to have it?

JerseyTim: TUCC did not hate white people. They may have believed in a lot of stupid things (Christianity), but they did not hate white people.

The TUCC also has some skeletons in it's own web closet:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060411204951/http:/www.tucc.org/about.htm

Mugato: #3, Obama's church falls short of being essentially a psychotic suicide cult. I don't want someone with dreams of The Apocalypse with her finger on the button (should McCain check out early).

My grandmother was a member of the AoG, and she'd drag me down there every Sunday when I stayed with her. It was more boring and tedious than a psychotic suicide cult. A bit more fervent than the few Catholic services I've attended (as a guest of a friend of mine), but the people I met were no more suicidal than the average person.

pootsie: filth: Remember, belonging to a church doesn't require you to believe anything.

Well, I'm sure that argument makes a lot more sense to you now. Which way would you like to have it?

Huh?

I am going to automatically assume this will turn into another thread about the interview. Thank you all for falling into rank.

/DNRT

Snake handlers.

huh

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

The standard is: The smart, common sense, level headed guy should win the White House, not a dumb old fart and crazy church lady.

aand i was wrong because we are talking about this bs. I don't care what church you went to, I care what you have to say and if it makes any farking sense. Put it aside.

but...but...but LIBERAL MEDIA!

Some Bass Playing Guy: Oh, look, the daily Koont is bloviating again.




I SEE!

JerseyTim: TUCC did not hate white people. They may have believed in a lot of stupid things (Christianity), but they did not hate white people.

The large number of white people who attend that church would probably agree.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Well, either care about both or don't care about both.

That being said, Kos is being stupid bringing all this up.

Dr.Zom: Snake handlers.

Those are Pentecostals.

Every Assembly I've ever attended (not my personal flavor of Christianity) used terms like "tear down the idols in our lives" and "we need a revolution" to explicitly refer to internal change.

But I never learned the secret handshake.

Given that there are millions of AoG people in the US (I assume) and the whole "Joel's army idiots" number in whatever small amount they do, painting a whole established denomination with no history of actual anti-American action as dangerous psychos might be unwarranted.

Even more egregious is to assign the full suite of wacko beliefs to a woman who has evidenced none of them in her personal or governmental life.

The same kind of "not like us" libel was used against Jews, and Mormons and Catholics and their candidates. It's just PC to beat on the "born-again" nowadays.

RemyDuron: earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Well, either care about both or don't care about both.

Except one could easily make the case that Wright ISN'T running for office and she IS.

All of Wright's controversial statements are socio-political. There is nothing of a religious nature about any of them.

If she turns this into a religious flamewar, she's toast.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but be SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Rev. Wright believes that the fed. government was behind AIDS. Stupid, but pretty much just that. Palin's church is Dominionist, and in particular Reconstructionist, and believes that non-believers and "apostate Christians" should be put to death, as should homosexuals, adulterers, and other "sinners". They also believe that only Christians in their mold are authentically American, and therefore anyone not of said mold should be denied citizenship and/or the right to participate in society. Moreover, they believe it is their duty to perpetuate such views in government by involving themselves in politics.

Yeah, clearly apples to apples...

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Nice double standard.

Palin openly embraces the tenets of her church. The Reverend Wright scandal wasn't about tenets. It was about a few off-the-cuff inappropriate quotes from the pastor, which Obama never claimed to ascribe to and strongly denounced when the media got in a tizzy about it.

As you can probably tell, I'm voting for Obama, but even if McCain wins, I'll still have fun watching the fundie sh*t-kickers of Middle America(TM) get severely assraped by the Christian soldier they so enthusiastically put in office.

earl_k: So, we SHOULD NOT care about Rev. Wright but we SHOULD care about Palin's church?

Does it matter that Obama left Rev. Wright's church?

Does it matter that evangelicals want to McCain to embrace Palin's beliefs?

McCain must embrace Palin's beliefs, evangelical leader says
Link (new window)

Does it matter that even the GOP may be nervous about the public finding out about Palin's beliefs?

Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs
Link (new window)


/These people make me nervous.
//And I'm a theology student!
///No interest in using Federal law to impose my beliefs.

...Goddammit, I hate white people.

HighOnCraic: Does it matter that Obama left Rev. Wright's church?

And even his own marriage reverend says it's a political ploy.

HighOnCraic: /These people make me nervous.
//And I'm a theology student!
///No interest in using Federal law to impose my beliefs.

You're probably no where near as desperate, I'm guessing.

Keep in mind that there are theories that Bush won twice because the party sought the right-wing Christian vote. Why stop a good thing if it could work in '08?