Get off his lawn?

His family is surprisingly photogenic.

Slash, I love ya, buddy, but c'mon. You and I both know that's nothing new.

slash is so out of touch, nobody reads teen beat anymore.

Actually, im uncomfortable with the statement coming from Slash, but he's absolutely right, but its not exactly new.

rock star would sell out before, but would at least be a little ashamed of it. Then you have artists like Moby who actually seems PROUD that most of his record, "play," was sold to various corporation for commercials

sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

HappyHarryHardOn: sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

it's sad how the music industry has stepped up it's corporatization in recent years though: from writing and producing songs for the sole purpose of driving ringtone sales to actually writing songs around bubble gum slogans for a big payday. and they wonder why nobody wants to buy albums anymore.

thomps: HappyHarryHardOn: sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

it's sad how the music industry has stepped up it's corporatization in recent years though: from writing and producing songs for the sole purpose of driving ringtone sales to actually writing songs around bubble gum slogans for a big payday. and they wonder why nobody wants to buy albums anymore.

Agreed,
more than ever before, now it really seems like cookie-cutter bands, completely manifactured and pushed out there with no experience but a fake hype surrounding it, instead

What Slash meant by his quote is, rock bands used to earn their keeps by slowly, very slowly climbing the ladders. Now you have people suddenly on the charts you never heard of, and they frankly, don't have what it take to make it in the long run. The labels juice them within 1 or 2 records , burns them out and move on to the next flavor of the month

and this is not how you will create wortwhile music that will survive the test of time

HappyHarryHardOn: Actually, im uncomfortable with the statement coming from Slash, but he's absolutely right, but its not exactly new.

rock star would sell out before, but would at least be a little ashamed of it. Then you have artists like Moby who actually seems PROUD that most of his record, "play," was sold to various corporation for commercials

sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

I've seen Moby live...frankly I wasn't too impressed...I wasn't impressed at all. He sucked actually--and I'm no elitist that champions the integrity of artists. fark all that, most things are relative. People are surprised by the fact that "artists" want to excel in a system designed for accumulation of capital. Duh!

HappyHarryHardOn: thomps: HappyHarryHardOn: sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

it's sad how the music industry has stepped up it's corporatization in recent years though: from writing and producing songs for the sole purpose of driving ringtone sales to actually writing songs around bubble gum slogans for a big payday. and they wonder why nobody wants to buy albums anymore.

Agreed,
more than ever before, now it really seems like cookie-cutter bands, completely manifactured and pushed out there with no experience but a fake hype surrounding it, instead

What Slash meant by his quote is, rock bands used to earn their keeps by slowly, very slowly climbing the ladders. Now you have people suddenly on the charts you never heard of, and they frankly, don't have what it take to make it in the long run. The labels juice them within 1 or 2 records , burns them out and move on to the next flavor of the month

and this is not how you will create wortwhile music that will survive the test of time

do you have any examples...???

HappyHarryHardOn: Actually, im uncomfortable with the statement coming from Slash, but he's absolutely right, but its not exactly new.

rock star would sell out before, but would at least be a little ashamed of it. Then you have artists like Moby who actually seems PROUD that most of his record, "play," was sold to various corporation for commercials

sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

welcome to bittorrent and frostwire. want to build a garage band and play just for the pleasure of playing? it's bone simple stupid to crank out a few songs, wash them through a couple of open source audio studio programs for quality control and then upload them online.

There you go. instant artistic integrity....of course, God help you if you should manage to actually be GOOD at it. nothing ever good happens to someone who plays music for the sake of the music and just gives it away to the world.

HappyHarryHardOn: What Slash meant by his quote is, rock bands used to earn their keeps by slowly, very slowly climbing the ladders. Now you have people suddenly on the charts you never heard of, and they frankly, don't have what it take to make it in the long run. The labels juice them within 1 or 2 records , burns them out and move on to the next flavor of the month

to be fair though, gn'r has been railing against these overnight successes since they were slumming it in hollywood, watching bands like poison get huge support from their label without ever making their bones on the streets. so it's kind of disingenuous for slash to be biatching about it being a new thing. it's not new, it's just been propelled to a new level.

Who's the hottie on the left?

they still make teen beat?

mandingueiro: HappyHarryHardOn: thomps: HappyHarryHardOn: sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

it's sad how the music industry has stepped up it's corporatization in recent years though: from writing and producing songs for the sole purpose of driving ringtone sales to actually writing songs around bubble gum slogans for a big payday. and they wonder why nobody wants to buy albums anymore.

Agreed,
more than ever before, now it really seems like cookie-cutter bands, completely manifactured and pushed out there with no experience but a fake hype surrounding it, instead

What Slash meant by his quote is, rock bands used to earn their keeps by slowly, very slowly climbing the ladders. Now you have people suddenly on the charts you never heard of, and they frankly, don't have what it take to make it in the long run. The labels juice them within 1 or 2 records , burns them out and move on to the next flavor of the month

and this is not how you will create wortwhile music that will survive the test of time

do you have any examples...???

Yes. There is no more "classic" albums anymore. there is no more "rock stars" anymore.

Now before I get everybody mad, dont get me wrong there has been some AWESOME albums, but im talking "CLASSIC" here. Led Zep 4 classic. there has been none recently. zero. Nada. Personally, Since "OK COmputer" which is now 12 years old.


Same with rock stars... After Cobain, there's been say Marilyn Manson to emerge... maybe Jack White, to some extend.

now its a bunch of really bland people with seemingly no personality, I mean Thom Yorke, chris martin, the guys from Arcade fire.... and I m going to catch flak for naming those guys, but if you look at the charts, those are the type of guys in it , everything else is old people still dragging it on and on: Ac/dc , metallica, judas priest ect...

So where are my young, edgy rock stars with blood bubble on their noses? Im a little tired of looking at Amy Winehouse's scratched arm.

and the reason for all that, in my opinion, is what we talked about, everythign is marketed safe for safe kiddie consumption, nothing too edgy, or straying too far from whats considered "hip"

but most of all, record labels don't take time to nurture their artists. One bad album and you're finished. out of the game


/sorry for sounding elitist, I dont mean to. But this selling-out business is something i feel and always felt VERY strongly about (as can be witnessed by my frantic typing)

HappyHarryHardOn: and the reason for all that, in my opinion, is what we talked about, everythign is marketed safe for safe kiddie consumption, nothing too edgy, or straying too far from whats considered "hip"

but most of all, record labels don't take time to nurture their artists. One bad album and you're finished. out of the game


/sorry for sounding elitist, I dont mean to. But this selling-out business is something i feel and always felt VERY strongly about (as can be witnessed by my frantic typing)

well...there's always thug rap. But that's just as stage managed as anything else these days.

We're taking advice from a man whose hair and hat are the most original thing he's ever contributed to music?

Tell him to feed Axl a sandwich and shut the hell up.

Weaver95: HappyHarryHardOn: and the reason for all that, in my opinion, is what we talked about, everythign is marketed safe for safe kiddie consumption, nothing too edgy, or straying too far from whats considered "hip"

but most of all, record labels don't take time to nurture their artists. One bad album and you're finished. out of the game


/sorry for sounding elitist, I dont mean to. But this selling-out business is something i feel and always felt VERY strongly about (as can be witnessed by my frantic typing)

well...there's always thug rap. But that's just as stage managed as anything else these days.

Agreed,

for someone like me who grew up listening to punk, when the late 80's happened I suddendly realized, "shiat those white kids dont have anything to say anymore" and fixated on Public Enemy and such for a while

But, like you said, it's sadly all about pretending to be a gangster now (yawn)

Slash has some good genetics. His daughter looks like Angelina Jolie.

buzzvert: We're taking advice from a man whose hair and hat are the most original thing he's ever contributed to music?

Tell him to feed Axl a sandwich and shut the hell up.

i guess i should take solace in the fact that it took 16 posts for the first uniformed music troll to show up.

Twenty years ago Slash and four other guys made a damn fine album and followed up with mediocre crap while reveling in rock star excess. You're done, son and your bitter rants into the ether of irrelevance are as sad and pathetic as your squandering of your talent and potential.

HappyHarryHardOn: But, like you said, it's sadly all about pretending to be a gangster now (yawn)

I think that's partly why the recording industry is so fanatical when it comes to file trading. The only way they can continue to survive is by manufacturing bands to hit whatever demographic they think will bring them the most money. well....the only way THAT works is if you completely control the marketing and distribution network for music. File traders undermine that control, so they have to stop them.

All the cool kids are on Tiger Beat anyway, ask Axl.

HappyHarryHardOn: and the reason for all that, in my opinion, is what we talked about, everythign is marketed safe for safe kiddie consumption, nothing too edgy, or straying too far from whats considered "hip"

I'll agree with this statement...but then again you are just "some old fart" spouting your opinion about how today's music sucks because, gasp, you are too old to relate to it.

But if the music scene is taken collectively....few bands have made a significant imprint on the culture. Of all the crappy '60s bands only a few are universally recognized as influential. Same with every other decade after that. Only few bands stand the test of time. My point is that mass crap is and will always be out there. one or two will stand out if we are lucky.

/yeah, today's music does suck
//off my lawn...etc.

PhiloeBedoe: Twenty years ago Slash and four other guys made a damn fine album and followed up with mediocre crap while reveling in rock star excess. You're done, son and your bitter rants into the ether of irrelevance are as sad and pathetic as your squandering of your talent and potential.

First of all, Use Your Illusion is a good album. And how did he squander his talents? Axl's the one who broke up the band. Slash never stopped playing.

mandingueiro: My point is that mass crap is and will always be out there. one or two will stand out if we are lucky.



Yeah, except that Mozart never had to contend with RIAA.

ah ah, remember a couple of months ago, a story about Slipknot having a "AOL sponsored" unveiling of their new masks?

im watching the MTV VMA in the background right now and I just saw those new masks for the first time, and basically what these corporate little whores have done, is change to a more PG, acceptable, family-friendly image

nice

Weaver95: mandingueiro: My point is that mass crap is and will always be out there. one or two will stand out if we are lucky.



Yeah, except that Mozart never had to contend with RIAA.

yeah but how many composers lived in his time that we have not heard about because they did not get enough funding from the ruling class? Same shiat, different era.

Gash was never in it for the pussy.

mandingueiro: yeah but how many composers lived in his time that we have not heard about because they did not get enough funding from the ruling class? Same shiat, different era.

also, mozart had to sell out the salzburgs and frequently complained that his work suffered because of it.

mandingueiro: HappyHarryHardOn: and the reason for all that, in my opinion, is what we talked about, everythign is marketed safe for safe kiddie consumption, nothing too edgy, or straying too far from whats considered "hip"

I'll agree with this statement...but then again you are just "some old fart" spouting your opinion about how today's music sucks because, gasp, you are too old to relate to it.

But if the music scene is taken collectively....few bands have made a significant imprint on the culture. Of all the crappy '60s bands only a few are universally recognized as influential. Same with every other decade after that. Only few bands stand the test of time. My point is that mass crap is and will always be out there. one or two will stand out if we are lucky.

/yeah, today's music does suck
//off my lawn...etc.

Hey, I take offense to that. Im an old fart who still listen to new music :)

HappyHarryHardOn: mandingueiro: HappyHarryHardOn: and the reason for all that, in my opinion, is what we talked about, everythign is marketed safe for safe kiddie consumption, nothing too edgy, or straying too far from whats considered "hip"

I'll agree with this statement...but then again you are just "some old fart" spouting your opinion about how today's music sucks because, gasp, you are too old to relate to it.

But if the music scene is taken collectively....few bands have made a significant imprint on the culture. Of all the crappy '60s bands only a few are universally recognized as influential. Same with every other decade after that. Only few bands stand the test of time. My point is that mass crap is and will always be out there. one or two will stand out if we are lucky.

/yeah, today's music does suck
//off my lawn...etc.

Hey, I take offense to that. Im an old fart who still listen to new music :)

shhhh. I still tell chicks I'm only 26.

HappyHarryHardOn: ah ah, remember a couple of months ago, a story about Slipknot having a "AOL sponsored" unveiling of their new masks?

im watching the MTV VMA in the background right now and I just saw those new masks for the first time, and basically what these corporate little whores have done, is change to a more PG, acceptable, family-friendly image

nice

Holy shiat, I just flipped over (don't know why). What a f-ing lame show. It was some sesame street set with some pre-teen fantasy band. VH1 just had live look-in commercials telling you to turn to MTV, seriously this is really dumb.

Has MTV been relevant to anything in 5 years? 10?

buzzvert: We're taking advice from a man whose hair and hat are the most original thing he's ever contributed to music?

Marc Bolan from the cover of The Slider would like a word with you.

Everyone else are a bunch of sellouts!

harryasaboy: Everyone else are a bunch of sellouts!

I think he was referring to the years before they made it.

To be a sellout, don't you have to first evince a position contrary to the one you're "selling out" to?

HappyHarryHardOn: Actually, im uncomfortable with the statement coming from Slash, but he's absolutely right, but its not exactly new.

rock star would sell out before, but would at least be a little ashamed of it. Then you have artists like Moby who actually seems PROUD that most of his record, "play," was sold to various corporation for commercials

sure, it will make you rich, but Christ, what ever happened to artistic integrity? Say what you will, having your songs slapped onto a car commercial definitively cheapens your work and lowers it to the level of a crappy, overplayed jingle

Moby lived for a while making very little money and being dead broke. I don't like to use terms like "sell out" but I've never seen an artist go running after a dollar as fast as that scrawny little bald dude.

Even early on in his career, you could tell that artistic integrity was becoming the last thing on his mind as he went over to the majors faster than anyone else. His early live shows are the stuff of Usenet legend (and not in a good way.)

Considering he takes so many social and political stances, you'd figure he'd take his artistic integrity more seriously.

It's pop music. Who really cares if it's some corporate entity? Like the love song about a girl played by a three or four piece guitar-oriented combo is somehow better when it's not tainted by corporate interference.

HappyHarryHardOn: ah ah, remember a couple of months ago, a story about Slipknot having a "AOL sponsored" unveiling of their new masks?

im watching the MTV VMA in the background right now and I just saw those new masks for the first time, and basically what these corporate little whores have done, is change to a more PG, acceptable, family-friendly image

nice

They're just trying to be more marketable to their main audience: preteen boys

zing!

Newsflash: Every single musician that you've ever heard of was in it for the money. The musicians that do it for fun don't sign recording contracts.

Fun fact: Slash originally tried out as the guitarist for Poison. He realized after an argument about what shoes he was going to wear on stage that it might not be quite right for him. Shortly thereafter he saw C.C. DeVille auditioning and knew that they had found the right person.

"Compromises and concessions" is a poor choice of words because I don't think Nickelback, Coldplay et al actually made any creative compromises in order to become famous. I think they really are that dull and insipid and have no capacity or desire to become any less so, which is why the industry chose them in the first place.

Chad Kroeger is not wasting his artistic potential. He has none.

So because there is no longer a Big Three like network television or something, because everything is so diversified and because technology has made everything so accessible that anyone can find any of hundreds of thousands of bands that they like, that's a bad thing?

I wonder how many truckloads of cash he got to perform with his "friend" Michael Jackson?

Use your Illusion I & II woulda made 1 decent album if their bloated egos wouldn't have got in the way and made them think that every musical nugget that fell outta their ass deserved to be on a record. What'd they do, hire a smack-addicted monkey to do A&R?

/oh yeah, let's let Tone-Duff sing one...
//My World? come on...
///two sets of lyrics for one lame song? There's a reason that one didn't make Appetite...
////I could do this all night!
//slash slashies!

I think perhaps Slash's opinion is yet another indication that most good bands are ignored today--to the extent that even Slash has no idea that they exist.

Huge volumes of great music is out there, but it's ignored in favor of easily accessible crap or formulaic crap.

Weaver95: mandingueiro: My point is that mass crap is and will always be out there. one or two will stand out if we are lucky.

Yeah, except that Mozart never had to contend with RIAA.

No. He had to contend with the Prince of Salzburg and anyone else who would pay him to commission them an opera.

Don't get Slash started. The other day we were talking about home equity, man he has an opinon about EVERYTHING.

Farker Soze
I wonder how many truckloads of cash he got to perform with his "friend" Michael Jackson?

IIRC from reading Slash's autobiography, Michael Jackson has not paid him to this day. And evidently, MJ still hasn't paid Eddie Van Halen for his work on Beat it.

jeremynobody: My World? come on...

But, but... It's a sociopsychotic state of bliss...

To that list let me add: Get In The Ring (whoo don't mess with that tough guy Axl).