Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)

Social conservatives have spent the last several decades removing their ability to appreciate irony (and attracting those who never had it to begin with), so this is no surprise.

Here's a clip of this dumbassery in action:

Samantha Bee at the GOP Convention (new window)

TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

There is a difference between playing a part and being the sole reason he loses.

"Family Values" is such a bullsh*t phrase anyway.

What the f*ck is a family value.

Family before self? Maybe.

Family before public? Sometimes.

Family before government? Probably.

Family supports each other no matter what? Sometimes.

No matter how wretched or distant your genetic link to the past may be, it must be thusly, it must look like this, it must act this way, etc.,.... Maybe?

I don't know!

Sh*t be complicated!

TheConvincingSavant: thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

There is a difference between playing a part and being the sole reason he loses.

Have you got anything to say about the topic, besides a lame attempt at discrediting the author? He may or may not be wrong about the degree to which racism would factor in an Obama defeat. Yeah, um, what a complete hack!

Maybe you should just stick to unintentionally creative misspellings. It's more entertaining.

But, how can that be? They are the keepers of this country's morality.

No shiat. "Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience."

pudding (new window)
rate map (new window)
and we all know the numbers on abstinence only sex-ed success by now: abysmal. (you can find thousands of articles on this in 10 sec on google)

thatvoiceguy: Samantha Bee at the GOP Convention (new window)

/she usually annoys me, and did in that clip while playing the 17yo (yeah yeah, that's the point), but that was great.

thatvoiceguy: Have you got anything to say about the topic, besides a lame attempt at discrediting the author?

Some folks feel very strongly about family values... considering them to be Corp... oops, I mean Core values.

thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

There is a difference between playing a part and being the sole reason he loses.

Have you got anything to say about the topic, besides a lame attempt at discrediting the author? He may or may not be wrong about the degree to which racism would factor in an Obama defeat. Yeah, um, what a complete hack!

Maybe you should just stick to unintentionally creative misspellings. It's more entertaining.

One, two, three, four, TCS loves the Marine Core!

thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

There is a difference between playing a part and being the sole reason he loses.

Have you got anything to say about the topic, besides a lame attempt at discrediting the author? He may or may not be wrong about the degree to which racism would factor in an Obama defeat. Yeah, um, what a complete hack!

Maybe you should just stick to unintentionally creative misspellings. It's more entertaining.

Lighten up Francis. If you didn't want to talk about the author's bias, you shouldn't have commented on it.

Which party has a candidate who's daughter is a 17 year old pregnant unmarried woman again? Oh right, the party of Family Values.

Face it, the only time Republicans care about values is when they start talking about which choices they want to take away from you. Seriously, why do Republicans talk so much about personal choice, but then say you can't have a choice on certain issues? And why has someone not pointed this out on a national stage yet?

TheConvincingSavant: thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

There is a difference between playing a part and being the sole reason he loses.

Have you got anything to say about the topic, besides a lame attempt at discrediting the author? He may or may not be wrong about the degree to which racism would factor in an Obama defeat. Yeah, um, what a complete hack!

Maybe you should just stick to unintentionally creative misspellings. It's more entertaining.

Lighten up Francis. If you didn't want to talk about the author's bias, you shouldn't have commented on it.

I guess that'd be a "no" to my question, then. Enjoy wharrgarbling through the rest of the thread.

TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)

I would say that it plays a significant role in determining the spread. If 10% (I think I heard that number somewhere, maybe it was just a single state) say they won't vote for a black guy, many more likely actually think that way but won't admit it. More probably don't even realize they have a prejudice but just don't "like" Obama, totally independent of political beliefs (many of these people probably don't actually do much political thinking anyway. Yeah, take that, zing!). If you're a republican or whatever and don't agree with his policies, fine, you're probably in the majority of McCain supporters, but don't kid yourself and think that there isn't a large measurable percentage of McCain supporters who are only there for one reason.

/I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see day-before polls (even a "perfect" poll of everyone) showing a 60%-40% Obama lead then watching McCain win by that margin or more. No, I have no faith in most people. None.

PoopStain:
This man is apparently unfamiliar with the concept of adoption.

Yeah, completely unfamiliar. Except in the sentence immediately preceding, where he quite correctly states: "Forget the 'Juno' scenario --- in the real world, few unwed mothers give up their babies for adoption."

Try harder.

liberalish: I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see day-before polls (even a "perfect" poll of everyone) showing a 60%-40% Obama lead then watching McCain win by that margin or more. No, I have no faith in most people Diebold. None.

/Vote early!
//Vote often!
///Vote *******

PoopStain: This man is apparently unfamiliar with the concept of adoption.

And he's a retard to boot.

PoopStain: I'm sure you won't believe me, but that sentence wasn't there when this article was posted.

So he's retard for not mentioning adoption? Or for not understanding it?

ahh, yeah...It's a hypocritical stance that has no basis in reality. Where I come from we call it Republican.

Totally. When I saw an approximately nine-year-old girl at the mall a couple Christmases back rapping "call before you come so I can shave my cha-cha", I blamed bush.

I'm dissapointed that it wasn't another underage gay sex scandal.

/lol Marine Core

eqtworld: You would think that with 80% of the population being Christian; they would not be able to blame the minority for their behavior, values, or morals

You're forgetting that it's easier to blame another than it is to accept your own failures.

I've met some crazy a$$ people where nothing was their fault, and it was all the ebil gubbermint's interFEARence that caused their problems.

thatvoiceguy: TheConvincingSavant: Written by the guy who claims racism is the only way Obama will lose. (new window)


If you honestly think that racism will play absolutely no part in a US presidential election between a black man with an unusual name and a white war hero, then you haven't been paying attention to US history.

Who has time to pay attention to US history while serving in the Marine Core?

Link (new window)

Republican Family Values

The family values epitomized by far right polititians and pundits including:

(a) phone sex with subordinates
(b) prescription drug abuse
(c) republiporn such as Scooter Libby's novel about prepubescent girls being raped by bears or Lynne Cheney's novel about lesbian sex in the old west
(d) public uses of expletives and
(e) underage drinking and drug use by sons and daughters

Now that Tom was in the top 1% tax bracket, he could openly display his Republican family values by sharing his cocaine with his kid's babysitter.

Hoopy Frood: Totally. When I saw an approximately nine-year-old girl at the mall a couple Christmases back rapping "call before you come so I can shave my cha-cha", I blamed bush.

Well if we didn't have a Dick and a Bush in the White House maybe everybody wouldn't be so preoccupied with sex?

/I'm trolling

Whose "family values" though?

Manson Family?
Addams Family?
Gambino Family?
Ibn Saud's Family?

They all got values, but I sure wouldn't share any of them.

Link (new window)

"GOP PERVERT HALL OF SHAME NOW CONTAINS OVER FIFTY
FIVE NAMES"

A RECOVERING LIBERAL EXCLUSIVE Last week's arrest of
the fourth highest person in the vaunted Department of
Homeland Security, Brian Doyle, brought back memories
of other notable folks on the right who preached the
Good Book but were really, really bad boys. You
remember them, guys like Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert
who never flinched at taking their flocks' money but
somehow managed to use at least part of it for some
sweet young stuff.

That got me thinking about other Republican holier
than thou folks who might be in the same boat. I asked
a friend to do a bit of research on that subject, and
here is the list that he put together;

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was
arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year
old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for
Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre,
Pennsylvania pled no contest to fondling a 10-year old
girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County,
Kentucky was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old
boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John
Collins of Asbury Park, New Jersey pled guilty to
sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of
Nashua, New Hampshire is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury,
Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal
prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was
arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year
old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of
Richland County, Ohio pled guilty to molesting two
girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison.

Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of
Representatives Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced
to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between
the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe
County, Pennsylvania was charged with molesting a
teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott
Heldreth of Kannapolis, N.C., is a convicted child
rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and
Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita,
Kansas pled guilty to performing a sexual act on an
11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of
Camden, New Jersey pled guilty to possessing child
pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of
Soputhbay, California was sentenced to three years
probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator
Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had sex with a
15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who
George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential
campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a
sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London,
Connecticut pled no contest to having an inappropriate
relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of
Arizona was charged with molesting his 9-year old step
daughter after including her in an anti-Gore
television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence both of
Washington, D.C. organized child sex parties at the
White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens of
Columbus, Ohio was found guilty of having sex with a
female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke,
Virginia was found guilty of child porn charges and
paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado
Springs. Colorado was convicted on six counts of sex
crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso
County, Arizona pled guilty to attempted sexual
assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex
with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South
Carolina Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to
an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County,
California was placed under house arrest for child
molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert
Bauman of Maryland was charged with having sex with a
16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey
Patti of Sparta, New Jersey was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being
raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a.
"Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida
police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with
an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug
LSD. It was Glickman, interestingly enough, that
claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and
had torn down all of the standards for the highest
office in the land.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks of Quartz
Hill, California was charged with molesting a 12-year
old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had
relocated to Maine from Huntsville, Alabama after
having been accused of having sex with his 12-year old
baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the
allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester,
Pennsylvania, who demanded a return to traditional
values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on
him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston,
Texas pled guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11
year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling
of Anderson, Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in
prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he
attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston
County, Washington pled guilty to six counts of raping
his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan of St.
Louis, Missouri was sentenced to two years probation
for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr, also of St. Louis,
was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy
with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland of Kingsport,
Tennessee was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd
and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16
(i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt of
Pensacola, Florida was found guilty of molesting a
15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs of Hawaii
County, Hawaii pled guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler of Cass County,
Illinois was charged with criminal sexual assault on a
teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner of Clark County,
Nevada admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W.
Gardner of Lancaster, Pennsylvania was convicted of
molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter
of Boothbay, Maine pled guilty to unlawful sexual
contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. of
Wrightsville Borough, Delaware pled no contest to
raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in
prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to
possession of child pornography on his home computer
and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and
fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado
state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired
after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College
graduate Robin Vanderwall of Virginia was convicted in
Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys
and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris of West Bend,
Wisconsin, who has been described as a "good military
man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to
12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his
candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations
surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four
underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican
Federation" Nicholas Elizondo of Bakersfield,
California molested his 6-year old daughter and was
sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing
Development Corp, Russell Harding, pled guilty to
possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian
groups, Richard A. Dasen, Sr. of Kalispell, Montana,
was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen,
62, who is married with grown children and several
grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the
past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex
with a large number of young women.

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in
order to humiliate their parents into providing
information about the anti-American insurgency.

And the list grows daily...

It makes sense. When did the party of smaller government and family values start promoting actions to allow the government to force young mothers to raise children on their own?

jerry2a: Hoopy Frood: Totally. When I saw an approximately nine-year-old girl at the mall a couple Christmases back rapping "call before you come so I can shave my cha-cha", I blamed bush.

Well if we didn't have a Dick and a Bush in the White House maybe everybody wouldn't be so preoccupied with sex?

/I'm trolling

5/10 for getting an otherwise perfectly good troll backwards. And for missing the lower-case "b".

Hoopy Frood: 5/10 for getting an otherwise perfectly good troll backwards. And for missing the lower-case "b".

I was going to give you credit for an "I see what you did there", but I went with my gut...hats off.

Their stance on abortion isn't about family values, it's more of the same old culture war bullshiat. The legal status of abortion isn't going to change and they know it. They don't want it to change either, it's way too convenient to have the abortion issue to drag out whenever they want to portray the left as immoral baby killers.

Hopefully after DC vs. Heller the left will have to give up gun control. I imagine then they'll have their own do-nothing issue they can use to vilify their opponents with.

Ironic tag? What, was the Obvious tag still in the airport bathroom?

Needs an obvious tag. The issues that politicians are the most adamant about are usually the ones they've got a dark secret about. Don't believe me? Ask Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, or Sarah "Abstinence-Only Education Works, Just Ask My Daughter" Palin. Not that it only applies to the GOP, but those are the two characters that came to mind.

paygun: Hopefully after DC vs. Heller the left will have to give up gun control. I imagine then they'll have their own do-nothing issue they can use to vilify their opponents with.

The thing about gun control is that most pro-gun people live in suburban neighborhoods-- where gun crime isn't such a big deal. Most anti-gun people live in urban areas, where you can hear or witness shootings/stickups/gang wars regularly. I'm talking about the vehemently pro or anti gun folks-- and I don't think that gun control is anywhere near as big of a "left" issue as abortion or gay rights (or even gun control!) is for the right. In fact, I can't think of any issues that the left overwhelmingly assembles over-- not as one big party, anyway. (of course, the left isn't as monolithically jingoistic as the right, either)

LincolnLogolas: Needs an obvious tag. The issues that politicians are the most adamant about are usually the ones they've got a dark secret about. Don't believe me? Ask Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, or Sarah "Abstinence-Only Education Works, Just Ask My Daughter" Palin. Not that it only applies to the GOP, but those are the two characters that came to mind.

We haven't even gotten into religion....Haggard, Swaggart, Bakker just for starters.

I don't agree with the article. The republicans haven't dictated the direction that American society has taken. At most they may have exacerbated some problems.

If anything, I would say that equalality with respect to gender, age, sexuality, race etc has destroyed traditional family life. Not that I have anything against equality.

Or perhaps there were major problems in the past, but they were hidden. Unhappy marrages were hidden, as was child abuse. Homosexuals practiced their activities underground.

I do however agree that the republican's singleminded focus on several specific issues such as abortion does keep them from more important global issues.

Mr Logo: traditional family life

Unless you are ready to define "traditional family life" for us, I give you a 2/10 for this one

TheConvincingSavant: There is a difference between playing a part

LOL, you would know all about this.

mctom: The thing about gun control is that most pro-gun people live in suburban neighborhoods-- where gun crime isn't such a big deal. Most anti-gun people live in urban areas, where you can hear or witness shootings/stickups/gang wars regularly. I'm talking about the vehemently pro or anti gun folks-- and I don't think that gun control is anywhere near as big of a "left" issue as abortion or gay rights (or even gun control!) is for the right. In fact, I can't think of any issues that the left overwhelmingly assembles over-- not as one big party, anyway. (of course, the left isn't as monolithically jingoistic as the right, either)

The myth is that those of us on the left want to take away your guns. We don't...I'm still not sure why you need an AK-47 to defend your home, but all I really care about is that you don't leave your guns out when my kids are over at your house playing with your kids, or that you don't put a bullet in me while you're outside in your yard playing John Wayne. I do find it somewhat bizarre that many of the people that are afraid of gun control who claim that limits will eventually lead to them being outlawed have no problem with the gov't limiting freedoms in the name of anti-terrorism. It's the same exact argument - if you're afraid the gov't isn't going to show restraint with your guns then you should be equally afraid that they aren't going to show restraint with your freedom. But I don't want to get into a gun control debate - I used to be 100% pro gun control but I've softened my stance quite a bit over the years.

mctom: Unless you are ready to define "traditional family life" for us, I give you a 2/10 for this one

I mean a nuclear family. A husband, wife and kids as opposed to single parents.

BTW, I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely interested in discussing this issue.

jerry2a:

Which gets into the argument of guns as entertainment vs. 2nd amendment. But I agree with you absolutely-- and I'm perplexed by republicans who scream about restricting their freedoms vis a vis guns, but want abortion illegal (or any other red-button issue). Backwards.

When I saw an approximately nine-year-old girl at the mall a couple Christmases back rapping "call before you come so I can shave my cha-cha", I blamed bush.

Whaaat? That too?

Mr Logo: mctom: Unless you are ready to define "traditional family life" for us, I give you a 2/10 for this one

I mean a nuclear family. A husband, wife and kids as opposed to single parents.

Yes, the great American Family Myth. The nuclear family is a modern and completely dysfunctional model. Extended families are more normal and have existed for a much longer portion of human history. Single parent households are as old as death.

mctom: jI'm perplexed by republicans who scream about restricting their freedoms vis a vis guns, but want abortion illegal (or any other red-button issue). Backwards.

Ah, but abortion, birth control, and sex education all facilitate women's equality. And if it's one thing these people can't stand it's uppity women. In their eyes women are, at best, second-class citizens. They want their women barefoot, pregnant and back in the farking kitchen making them some pie!

Ed Grubermann: Yes, the great American Family Myth. The nuclear family is a modern and completely dysfunctional model. Extended families are more normal and have existed for a much longer portion of human history. Single parent households are as old as death.

All good points. I guess they are called nuclear families because they only began to appear around the start of the nuclear age.

Although, I don't see how they are any more disfunctional than any other family model.

Mr Logo: I guess they are called nuclear families because they only began to appear around the start of the nuclear age.

Perhaps I should have said: that they became more prolific around the start of the nuclear age. I'm sure there must have been at least a couple of husband, wife and kids families before the 1950s.

Republicans really don't care about abortion, they care about getting the votes of American Christian extremists.

If it took pushing for a law to ban bread and butter to get their votes, they'd do it.

They're good Straussians. They know that the masses need leaders from the elite. The elite must espouse many values and beliefs in public that naturally do not really apply to them.

jfreshbloomer: Link (new window)

"GOP PERVERT HALL OF SHAME NOW CONTAINS OVER FIFTY
FIVE NAMES"

G. Harrold Carswell, nominated to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon in 1970.

In 1976, Carswell was arrested and convicted of battery for advances he made to an undercover police officer in a Florida men's room;[3] some claim him as the first homosexual or bisexual nominated to the Supreme Court.

Some of the highlights from Carswell's nomination:

In defense against charges that Carswell was "mediocre", U.S. Senator Roman Hruska (Republican, Nebraska) stated, "Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"

"Carswell had made the speech in 1948 during his unsuccessful campaign for a seat in the Georgia legislature. "I believe that segregation of the races is proper," Carswell, who was then 28, told an American Legion gathering, "and the only practical and correct way of life in our states. I yield to no man in the firm, vigorous belief in the principles of white supremacy and I shall always be so governed."

Candidates, of course, often say things on the hustings better left unrecorded. But Carswell printed the speech in the Irwinton Bulletin, a home-town weekly newspaper that he had operated while he was a Duke University student."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,878146,00.html?promoid=googlep

Duke sucks, too!

Says a concern troll...