Hope that guy realizes that McCain has ALSO said invading Iraq was a mistake. He's just flip-flopped on that statement a few times since then.

Yet again with the Eye-Raq thing. It's like Anthony Hopkins mispronouncing "chianti." Now it's all I can think about.

And with this logic we need to invade 70 or 80 other countries. We had our revolution let them have theirs.

Promote freedom?

PROMOTE?

The war is just the US forcing democracy upon a country that wasn't ready for it.

/oh and something or other about oil

It wasn't a mistake.

It was a HUGE mistake.

Good man with a strong message.

/respect

Oh? It was all about bringing freedom to the people of Iraq and so therefore it's a success?

WMDs
Ties to Al Qaeda
Ties to 9-11
45 minutes to the mushroom cloud
Yellowcake from Niger
Freedom to Iraqis (at least to the Iraqis who aren't among the tens of thousands who have been killed or among the hundreds of thousands who have fled the country since 2002)

USA! USA! USA!

Lundah: Hope that guy realizes that McCain has ALSO said invading Iraq was a mistake. He's just flip-flopped on that statement a few times since then.

when did he ever say that? he was one of the biggest promoters of the war at every step of the way.

TheConvincingSavant: Good man with a strong message.

Strong to the core.

gas giant: TheConvincingSavant: Good man with a strong message.

Strong to the core.

LOL.

I like the subtle American flag at the corner. It just screams "This is completely real and I'm not making this up." Oh, and playing "God Bless the USA" also designed to make you feel bad for criticizing it. The uploader of this video is called weneedmccain and is two weeks old. Also, since he's approving comments, there is a very large number of pro-McCain comments, with all the lieberal/muslim comments left in but almost no criticism of McCain. Yeah, I'm calling this one BS, and a viral McCain video.

burndtdan: when did he ever say that? he was one of the biggest promoters of the war at every step of the way.

I can't find the source at the moment, but there was a 2006 Meet the Press appearance where he states this. His major objection was that we did not send enough troops initally.

There's a BIG difference between stating the invasion was a mistake and not supporting it. While I did not agree with the invasion, and think it was a mistake, I still believe we have to complete the job and press the Iraqi people to take control of their own country before we can leave.

People still think invading Iraq was a good idea?

Didn't Rice meet with Qadaffi just this week?

We're normalizing relations with Libya without a trillion dollars getting pissed away, and it's not because Libya was scared into it by the "global war on terror".

He is right, Iraq is not a mistake, it is catastrofark.

Like that wasn't a scripted speech by a member of the GOP propaganda machine.

We have given the ultimate freedom to over 100,000 Iraqi civilians, many of them women and children.

"I think that the people of Iraq would welcome the U.S. force as liberators; they would not see us as oppressors, by any means."
Vice President Dick Cheney (CNN 9/9/02)

clifton: LOL.

Dude, don't laugh at the vet, he lost a leg.

That being said, there are plenty of other vets with opposing viewpoints. Like the ones at Walter Reed Middle School Army Medical Center.

Obama is part of the Veterans Affairs Committee. Read up, it's interesting. Remember, McCain didn't want to give the veterans all these nice things because he didn't think they deserved it.

Also, this Youtube user seems to have a really high production value, and he joined just two weeks ago. He posted his first video, and what do you know, it's gotten over 200,000 views. This couldn't be a dirty trick to skirt election finance laws, could it?

Etchy333: clifton: LOL.

Dude, don't laugh at the vet, he lost a leg.

That being said, there are plenty of other vets with opposing viewpoints. Like the ones at Walter Reed Middle School Army Medical Center.

Obama is part of the Veterans Affairs Committee. Read up, it's interesting. Remember, McCain didn't want to give the veterans all these nice things because he didn't think they deserved it.

Also, this Youtube user seems to have a really high production value, and he joined just two weeks ago. He posted his first video, and what do you know, it's gotten over 200,000 views. This couldn't be a dirty trick to skirt election finance laws, could it?

Nah, I'm laughing at a little inside joke concerning TCS.

Etchy333: Also, this Youtube user seems to have a really high production value, and he joined just two weeks ago. He posted his first video, and what do you know, it's gotten over 200,000 views. This couldn't be a dirty trick to skirt election finance laws, could it?

Count on it, but it is going to be almost impossible to prove the link.

I'm not here to shiat on the soldier in the video; but like most McCain supporters, he's grossly distorting Obama's position.

Obama has never said that the efforts of US solders were mistakes. He never said that the sacrifices by Iraqis were mistakes. The mistake was the decision to go to war based on lies, and to continue waging it based on shifting rationales.

Just in case anyone needs it spelled out.

Love the comments too:

"McCain would never use soldiers for political gain. He has honored them, but he will not use them."

I guess actors playing soliders is okay though.

And slamming Obama on Tammy Duckworth speaking at the DNC? She ran for congress in 2006 as a Democrat. No more "using" soldiers for political gain than McCain's "POWPOWPOWPOW" line.

Lundah: I can't find the source at the moment, but there was a 2006 Meet the Press appearance where he states this. His major objection was that we did not send enough troops initally.

the same meet the press where russert caught him contradicting himself so many times? heh.

thatvoiceguy: The mistake was the decision to go to war based on lies, and to continue waging it based on shifting rationales.

Why tell the truth, when you can play on the emotions of the average voter.

I thought the Lee Greenwood was a little over the top.

DGAR: thatvoiceguy: The mistake was the decision to go to war based on lies, and to continue waging it based on shifting rationales.

Why tell the truth, when you can play on the emotions of the average voter.

I thought the Lee Greenwood was a little over the top.

Hey now, that should replace our national anthem!

MrHacks: "No. I am not reading this from cue cards. Pay no attention to my eyes scrolling. Perhaps this Lee Greenwood song will prove that picking John McCain is right."

Folks, my brother went to Iraq twice. After that second time, he called it quits having felt that nothing significant was accomplished, only the chaos of hoodlums and the sitting around doing mostly nothing because that's what you really all do in the millitary. Sit around and wait for orders.

This war would have gone somewhere if more though had been put into it. Instead there are people displaced. Baghdad has one of the oldest museums in recorded history and contained artifacts from as far back as the Cradle of Civilization. Because our invasion did not include the protection of such instituions, many artifacts were lost.

This invasion allowed for the haves to destroy history, cause chaos, and run up a bill for alot of private companies who nickeled and dimed the United States Military (EVEN AMERICAN AIRLINES TRIED TO MILK MONEY OUT OF OUR TROOPS! HOW DISGRACEFUL!).

By comparison and adjusted for inflation, veterans of the Vietnam War were paid more than the veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Uncle Sam paid the private contractors more than G.I. Joe, and what did he get in return? Mediocre healthcare, a lack of paid benefits, and abuse of stoploss by the government to squeeze more money out of the military and put it into the private coffers of companies that took advantage of the welfare of our troops, even companies that many high ranking Bush Adminstration officials worked at and will be working at after January 20. 2009.

If you want to know who does not support the troops, it is not the protestors of the war. They are greatful for the freedom of the troops that allow them to protest.

The real unpatriotic people are the oil barrons and the private war profiteers who have run up the price of gas, food, insurance, medical care, armour, weapons, gear, ammo, education, technology, and other things that our troops need and that we, the people who both support our troops or protest the war need.

Reguardless if you are a hawk or a dove, our troops were put in danger by the war profiteers.

WAR PROFITEERS ARE UNPATRIOTIC! They may wear the flag on their coats, but their greed has dishonored our troops.

Here's another facet to the war profiteering, and how it affects the economy here at home. Admittedly, this is only anecdotal evidence at best.
I was working with a construction foreman, and we got to talking about project costs. Seems that since the start of the war on Iraq, the cost of plywood has significantly increased, as much of the supply was being shipped to Iraq for re-building projects there. Lower supply here led to increased prices.

Here's why nobody in the U.S. military should vote Republican:

1) they don't want to raise taxes, under any circumstances
2) they will defend America no matter what the cost in men, material, or wealth

Osama knew if you goaded the U.S. into a war when the Republicans controlled Congress and the White House that we'd spend ourselves into ruin.

How do I now this? He said so, and may times before.

Bush almost got it right, when he said he wasn't going to send a cruise missile to blow up a bunch of tents, but it has far more to do with the cost of the bomb and how cheap it is to make tents.

We're like a crack whore borrowing money from our pimp (Europe and China) to keep paying our dealer (Saudi Arabia). Oh, that'll end well.

dameron: Bush almost got it right

I think that's a Clinton quote.

Disgusting. Eloquent, and disgusting.

Even if you say the war is a mistake (which it is) does not mean you disrespect the soldiers - they are doing what they are told to do - they have to, it's their bosses that are the fark-ups

dameron: Here's why nobody in the U.S. military should vote Republican:

1) they don't want to raise taxes, under any circumstances
2) they will defend America no matter what the cost in men, material, or wealth

And these two reasons are supposed to persuade voters to vote against Republicans? I'm not sure you thought this one through.

DGAR: I think that's a Clinton quote.

No, what I paraphrased came from Bush:

""When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."

In Bush's credit, he seems to actually understand Osama's strategy in microcosm.

He didn't send one cruise missile to destroy one $10 tent, he sent a trillion+ dollars to destroy, not Osama, but someone Osama despised.

Good work George!

Really? We're greening obviously fake video propaganda now?

"Dear mister Obama pause having spent-"
-"NO! That's a cue! Don't read that part!"
"What?"
-"You don't actually say 'pause', you just pause. Take a beat."
"Alright."
-"Jesus. Okay, ...action!"

"Dear mister Obama..............pause having-"
-"STOP. You did it again."
"Did what?"
-"You said 'pause'. DON'T DO THAT. Just take a short break. It's like you're reading a f*cking letter, alright?"
"Okay."
-"So what aren't you going to say?"
"Pause."
-"Exactly. From the top..."

"Dear mister Obama..........................."
-"......."
".................."
-".....whenever you're rea-"
"Having served in Iraq for-"
-"GODDAMMIT!"

From the YouTube comments:
We have over 700 comments posted now, and approving each one has been laborous and intersting.

I promised this man's father I would ensure that no disrepectful posts would be approved. I have kept my word.

Someone should let this guy know that freedom comes with a price and freedom is always worth the price. Everyone who views the video should be allowed the freedom to comment as they see fit in open discussion on the topic at hand. Instead, the video creator has chosen to only approve those comments that they agree with. This flies in opposition to everything that soldier just said, whether prompted or not.

That soldier didn't lose his leg just to have all of our opinions silenced. What a disgrace.

I promised this man's father I would ensure that no disrepectful posts would be approved.

Yet...

Such a looser and a coward.

You need to re evaluate your country first.
Those men and women are serving to keep what happened in 911 from spreading thru out our country.
IF you dont like it, move to Canada!

Don't let the libbies steal our funding.

Yes sir, the Obama camp doesn't get it and never will. That my friend is why I agree and support McCain/Palin; they do understand. It makes me sick to hear liberals say they feel sorry for us and will do everything in their power to end this war. We want to win this war damn it, not lose it, along with our honor. Obama said this is a war we can't win and esentially gave up, but thanks to McCain, we are on the track to victory. If Obama had his way we would have lost.
Marines for McCain!!

I totally agree with this. I'm only 16 and I can see how Obama's policies are based completely on socialism and damn close to communism. It's pathetic how the liberal media makes him such a fashion trend. They want him in office because it'd be 'cool' to have a black president? He got where he is today by manipulating the stupid peoples' emotions around him. Just an example of new age stupidity. And besides, doesn't him choosing Biden pretty much prove he has no foreign policy? I rest my case.

Apparently it's OK to be disrespectful if you're disrespectful to Obama.

TheConvincingSavant: And these two reasons are supposed to persuade voters to vote against Republicans? I'm not sure you thought this one through.

The U.S. is too large and, mostly, too self sufficient to be attacked in any kind of sustained economic warfare without denying the attackers access to services and markets vital to their existence.

Embargoes are usually ineffective for forcing regime change, the wealthy tend to continue living in the style to which they're accustomed and the poor either die or suck up the losses.

How does Osama embargo the U.S.?

He thought "Force them to attack us in Afghanistan". The wealthy will never willing sacrifice and the poor have no choice but to suck it up. He believed we'd bleed ourselves out like the Soviets did in the 1980s.

"Make them waste their wealth destroying us."

He attacked us on 9/11, goaded us into a war in Afghanistan and got his ass rightly handed to him. Insane luck and incompetence (according to McCain himself) prevented us from catching or killing bin Laden.

One would think that Osama's ultimate plan to bankrupt the U.S. was foiled, for the time being.

But no! Someone with a thirst for oil (as Cheney's energy task force plans revealed) had already divided up Iraq's oil fields among American companies well before 9/11.

Presto, change-o, lie-o, we're in Iraq! A much more lucrative and expensive adventure than Afghanistan. An adventure where one can really export jihad. An adventure where the U.S. is caught between rival sectarian groups we really don't understand at our "executive" level.

That's the kind of war Osama wanted in Afghanistan but didn't get.

So, the lesson is:

1) if you never raise taxes, and
2) war is expensive , and
3) your political base is bellicose and nationalistic

then

3) you're fiscally farked by every petty douchebag with a bomb and an agenda

I have to admit, when he walked away and you saw that he was an amputee, I thought it was a powerful message. I don't expect many on Fark to understand as views on the war are already cemented and fundimental differences exist; it was a powerful message though.

dameron: "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."

You are correct. My mistake.

Godscrack:

Or text.

Yeah, and this asshat that supports our soldiers probably biatches about his taxes being too high. You can't send the military off on your crusades and expect us to hold a big bake sale to pay for it. You support the troops? Good - you can donate money to them in the form of taxes. You want lower taxes? OK - we can cut spending...we'll start with Iraq. It won't make America any less safe - the only people that will be seriously threatened are the mercenaries that run Haliburton.

When Russia went into Georgia, they knew we had little ability to project any military force on the action. Whether you would agree with that course of action or not is irrelevant to this point.

That is the true cost of this war. It has weakened us.

Yes, it would be nice if we could wave a wand, and free the world, but we are beholden to the limits of reality.

To suggest any criticism of the decisions of our leaders somehow retracts from our soldiers, and their honorable efforts, is logically fallacious and morally repugnant.

Funny though...I didn't hear much from the liberators about sending the army into Darfur to stop a genocide. I guess losing a bunch of guys in Somalia was too much but losing thousands in Iraq is OK. Yeah, I know - concern troll, right?

I also wonder what number of people who yelled "hell yeah!" after seeing that video, have also called for turning the area into a glass parking lot...

CtrlAltDelete: "Dear mister Obama pause having spent-"

This suit is not black...

TheConvincingSavant: Good man with a strong message.

Semper Lie, Marine Core Soldier.

MrHacks: The real unpatriotic people are the oil barrons and the private war profiteers who have run up the price of gas, food, insurance, medical care, armour, weapons, gear, ammo, education, technology, and other things that our troops need and that we, the people who both support our troops or protest the war need.

Reguardless if you are a hawk or a dove, our troops were put in danger by the war profiteers.

WAR PROFITEERS ARE UNPATRIOTIC! They may wear the flag on their coats, but their greed has dishonored our troops.

Obivously you are a pinko terrorist who doesn't love freedoms.

And of course...I jest. You are spot on.

impaler: I also wonder what number of people who yelled "hell yeah!" after seeing that video, have also called for turning the area into a glass parking lot...

I'm surprised they don't call for "plastic parking lot". I didn't think conservatives were that concerned about the environment.

Fighting a war in middle east is like beating puppies into obedience, even if you succeed, they will still piss on the carpet.

FlameDuck: Fighting a war in middle east is like beating puppies into obedience, even if you succeed, they will still piss on the carpet.

Puppies don't own oil fields...