Because it f*cking sucks here.

screw you subby.

/lives in PA
//likes it.

Say what you want, subby. But it is damn cheap living here.

Because it spells out "OH MI PAIN"?

Pennsylvania is a very beautiful state.

HOWEVER .... Part of the package includes ....

Big pockets of residents who are marginal assholes (you'll notice it immediately if you ever lived somewhere else) which brings on ....... The Worst State and Local Governments EVAR. You get nothing here in return for your tax dollars. NOTHING.

With 67 counties, 4 Trillion (with a farking "T") municipalities, 2 large cities, a half-dozen medium cities, 1 political party, well .....

At least Pittsburgh has a cool football team.

PA isn't bad as long as you don't travel more than 20 miles from Philly

Climate. Who wants to live in a state where you can go days without seeing the sun, where you don't see the ground from October to May because of the snow and your car rusts away within two years because of the humidity? No wonder everybody is depressed all the time.

thyocyan: PA isn't bad as long as you don't travel more than 20 miles from Philly

You can't because the gravity well of suck pulls you back in.

With about a seventh of the world's fresh water within its territorial boundaries, I think Michigan is going to get a second look (if global warming is real).

/Kalamazoo in the House!!!

PA is nice. Michigan sucks except for Ann Arbor.

RobertBruce: Michigan sucks except for Ann Arbor.

You suck except for nothing.

Indiana's not bad if you're a hermit, which I am, and it is cheap to live here.

Has subby ever been to the high-price cities of this world? They are awesome.

Because of the liberal bullshiat spread all over?

bad climate and a shiatty economy?

at least that's why i left michigan.

I live in OH because it's where I and my family/friends are from. It sure as hell isn't for the jorbs or scenery.

Snarfangel
Because it spells out "OH MI PAIN"?

Total win

thyocyan: PA isn't bad as long as you don't travel more thanwithin 20 miles from of Philly

Throwing Detroit into the mix with Livonia is farking stupid. Livonia has areas with $300,000 homes while Detroit is full of $5,000 homes.

Subby: The 10 Most Affordable Housing Markets: Why doesn't anybody want to live in MI, IN, OH, or PA?

Who the hell wants to live in a big city in the farking North?
If it's not for family, join the others who were smart enough to get out of there.

RamboFrog: Snarfangel
Because it spells out "OH MI PAIN"?

Total win

Agreed.

MIguy: Throwing Detroit into the mix with Livonia is farking stupid. Livonia has areas with $300,000 homes while Detroit is full of $5,000 homes.

the fact that you throw 300k homes as the example of upper level prices says something about Michigan...

/left
//thank god.

Of course Michigan is cheap, everyone from there has moved to Chicago.

/seriously, I can't go two feet without meeting someone from Michigan.
//not from Michigan

MI, IN, OH, or PA

Snarfangel: Because it spells out "OH MI PAIN"?

I get Piano Him if it's an anagram.

/Oh, Don Piano
//Why, I eye's ya
///All the live long day

Walker: RamboFrog: Snarfangel
Because it spells out "OH MI PAIN"?

Total win

Agreed.

If I could +1 that, I would.

Ohio currently has one of the highest mortgage-foreclosure rates in the country. Suck it, peons!

/Porkopolis Reprazent!

Longtime Lurker: MIguy: Throwing Detroit into the mix with Livonia is farking stupid. Livonia has areas with $300,000 homes while Detroit is full of $5,000 homes.

the fact that you throw 300k homes as the example of upper level prices says something about Michigan...

/left
//thank god.

$300,000 is not the upper level of prices in MI. Maybe livonia, not MI. The point was, that although the census considers those two cities one area, they are drastically different.

Oakland County, MI Link (new window) is the 4th richest county in the states among 1,000,000 plus people.

I grew up and went to school in Ohio. And after nearly five years in Florida, heading back doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

high unemployment, snow, barbed wire, and plenty of crackheads. What's not to like?

Stereo Radiation: /Kalamazoo in the House!!!

My friend just bought a house over in Marshall for $20k. It's not bad at all, either. Ridiculous.

Longtime Lurker: the fact that you throw 300k homes as the example of upper level prices says something about Michigan...

That's upper level for Livonia. Go to Novi, Northville and the surrounding areas and there are so many 400k to 500k subdivisions being built you wonder who the fark the people are making the kind of money to buy those homes.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make but you come off as sounding like an elitist prick.

Snarfangel: Because it spells out "OH MI PAIN"?

THIS.

Number41: Stereo Radiation: /Kalamazoo in the House!!!

My friend just bought a house over in Marshall for $20k. It's not bad at all, either. Ridiculous.

LOL. Olivet grad.

Once you move out the hinterlands, you can never move back.

Unless you're willing to pay more or settle for less house.

I'm not sure what is the true criteria for being on that list. In Illinois, most places south of I-80 have reasonably nice housing as cheap as the housing mentioned on that site.
/I should know, I live there.

I'm visiting my parents who own an affordable home in the Youngstown area so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//3bd 1.5bath 1350sqft 2 garage with another in back on 2 acres for $110,000
//very happy

an area with low cost of living also mean lower salaries with few exceptions across all industries

thing is you can live cheaply in a high cost area while earning more, but you can't conversely live the high life in these relatively rural areas

Stereo Radiation: RobertBruce: Michigan sucks except for Ann Arbor.

You suck except for nothing.

Oh, snap. Somebody just got told!

Smeggy Smurf: Because of the liberal bullshiat spread all over?

Not as bad as the (R) retard excrement you seem to love to swallow constantly.

CruiserTwelve: Climate. Who wants to live in a state where you can go days without seeing the sun, where you don't see the ground from October to May because of the snow and your car rusts away within two years because of the humidity? No wonder everybody is depressed all the time.

This

I grew up in PA and have spent the past 10 years in Wisconsin. I love the wildlife and temperature but I'm thinking about Alaska.

That is old news to this Farker.

About one year ago, smeone was flaming the crap out of me in a real estate thread, and got me to checking real estate prices in Youngstown.

Turns out, a house which costs $150,000 in Corpus, or $1,100,000 in San Jose can be had for about $24,000 there; some nice looking places as cheap as $15 large.

Det-riot has gone from 2.1 million to 800 thousand people in the last 15 years, so unless the bulldozers have been working overtime, that means there is empty space for 1.3 million people.

Makes me think, maybe we ought to relocate industries to places where people can afford to live, rather than vice versa.

Ohio- Horrible economy, terrible job market, polluted, a bit backwards, racist (I know not everyone, but most people I know there are...) far too conservative, parts of it are hillbilly while other parts are just too industrial.... I could go on and on.

/moved from there 18 years ago
//disgusted when I go back to visit family.
///farm country pretty tho.

Subby missed the point of the article. Read the following quote carefully.

Share of homes affordable to median-income families

A place where people can afford to live is not the same as a place where people don't want to live.

Boap123: This

Says the guy who lives in the state that's going to break off and float away one day if the wildfires don't kill everybody first. I'll take Michigan over California any time.

i got a little depressed just thinking about living in those places.

Out of the boundaries of the big cities...The suburbs, the rural areas, the mountains, shores, college towns, state parks & forests, are all quite nice in those four states.

tomhath: Subby missed the point of the article. Read the following quote carefully.

Share of homes affordable to median-income families

A place where people can afford to live is not the same as a place where people don't want to live.

Sort of - There's affordable housing because people are leaving the area and there's a glut in the market. It's a buyers market if there ever was one. Add in foreclosures and the average home price is dropping fast around here.

RobertBruce: PA is nice. Michigan sucks except for Ann Arbor.

And Grand Rapids, IMO.

My sister lives in Carmel, outside of Indianapolis. The whole area is OK, but it's god awful boring. If you're a young family it's a decent place to live, but if you're single and under 30 I wouldn't recommend it. Actually, if you're single at all in Indianapolis I wouldn't recommend it. Hoosiers love to get married. If you aren't knocked up by 25 you might as well GTFO.