What's really weird about this is that all the still-running, pot-growing country folks around here rather like Obama. It's the folks I know living in Winston Salem and Greensboro that dislike him so much.

I suspect it's partly because the country folks talk to each other more often and keep better informed. They're also less likely to cling to a party affiliation and swallow their bullcrap.

You saw lots of Vernon Robinson ^{(^)} and Virginia Foxx ^{(^)} signs around here in 2004 in the city, but virtually none in the outlying areas. Racism was front and center in that election, with most of the ads attacking each other over who was LESS racist and hateful towards blacks and Mexicans.

It's not our farms that are filled with white trash here in NC, it's our cities.

To make the point a bit clearer, here's what the polling looks like this year for NC:

Obama 42.8
McCain 47.0
McCain +4.2

2004:Bush +12.4
2000:Bush +12.8

Obama really is stealing a crapload of voters here this time around.

palladiate

Do you have Bush's poll numbers for September 2000 and 2004?

Play it all night long.

Give me JC Watts over Obama or McCain any time.

Not a whole lot of ways to interpret that.

palladiate: Obama really is stealing a crapload of voters here this time around.

Minor distinction - I don't think it's Obama stealing voters as much as they fell off the GOP truck.

There are too many haters bigots and other losers in bubba nation.

palladiate: What's really weird about this is that all the still-running, pot-growing country folks around here rather like Obama. It's the folks I know living in Winston Salem and Greensboro that dislike him so much.

I suspect it's partly because the country folks talk to each other more often and keep better informed. They're also less likely to cling to a party affiliation and swallow their bullcrap.

You saw lots of Vernon Robinson (^) and Virginia Foxx (^) signs around here in 2004 in the city, but virtually none in the outlying areas. Racism was front and center in that election, with most of the ads attacking each other over who was LESS racist and hateful towards blacks and Mexicans.

It's not our farms that are filled with white trash here in NC, it's our cities.

Yup.

Dancin_In_Anson: Give me JC Watts over Obama or McCain any time.

Do you consider Barr a fair alternative?

Fear of the BIG BLACK PENIS is a terrible thing.

Does this really come as a shock to anyone?

JC Watts is disappointed with the republican party cause they would never try to make a push into black communities and he supports Obama.
(Heard this on Steve Harvey Morning Show)

So this is the entire linked article?

"Southern white voters favor McCain over Obama by a far larger margin (60% to 31%) than do white voters in any other region of the country. While McCain leads Obama by a two-to-one margin among white voters in the South, Obama is only marginally behind McCain in the Midwest (42% to 46%) and West (44% to 47%) and actually leads among white voters in the Northeast (46% to 42%)."

Really?

Which polls are you referencing? How do you get your numbers? Does the use of fractions mean we're to believe you have such a complex system it can only be expressed through fractions?

One day, in the future, I envision a world where people can click on the text of a statement and it would open some new "window" of some sort that would support a given statement.

I'm going to apply for a patent on that. Then I'm going to pitch it to WebTV and AOL.

I know where the money is at.

I'm going to be able to buy and sell all of you.

I came here for the "That Racist" Kid...

/Fark is slipping.

Jesus land does like your kind in these here parts!
Now git!

I am shocked to hear Senator Mooncricket doesn't draw well in the south. Well, aside from south Chicago.

I was unaware there were any white men left in the Northeast; or at least straight white males.

/flame on

But then who's going to pick all that cotton?

Go Southern Strategy.

†††

spill_thrill: Not a whole lot of ways to interpret that.

"It's because of his policies. Which policies? Um...all of them. Like what? Like...uh...he believe that it's okay for a nagger to be in the White House."

The Scutt-Farkas Affair: I am shocked to hear Senator Mooncricket doesn't draw well in the south. Well, aside from south Chicago.

You must be a Senator Mortimer supporter.

Two Dogs Farking: Fear of the BIG BLACK PENIS is a terrible thing.

I hear he takes from his mother's side of the family.

5_second_rule: JC Watts is disappointed with the republican party cause they would never try to make a push into black communities and he supports Obama.
(Heard this on Steve Harvey Morning Show)

He didn't say he supported Obama. He did say that Obama's winning the nomination was a reason to be proud. He also hasn't been critical of Obama, as far as I know.

He's severely, severely disenchanted with the Republicans right now.

Forget Bush's totals in these places, what were Bill Clinton's? He's supposed to be out working for Obama now, does he have a lot of support in these kinds of places he could stir up for Obama? This really seems like his kind of territory, tell some folksy stories, make a joke about Obama being the second black president, remove the "voting for one's own" factor these people have going with McCain's lack of real teeth.

Xaneidolon: Play it all night long.

Zevon rocks.

And I don't know why anyone would be surprised by these numbers.

182: The Scutt-Farkas Affair: I am shocked to hear Senator Mooncricket doesn't draw well in the south. Well, aside from south Chicago.

You must be a Senator Mortimer supporter.

OUCH!

Everyone's a rittle bit lacist.

I dunno 'bout them polls.

I work with a classic good ol' boy who couldn't decide who was worse, the uppity woman or the uppity black. Now he's mad at the world because HE'S GONNA HAVE TO VOTE FOR A BLACK GUY to get the fascists out of the White House.

Ed Finnerty: So this is the entire linked article?

"Southern white voters favor McCain over Obama by a far larger margin (60% to 31%) than do white voters in any other region of the country. While McCain leads Obama by a two-to-one margin among white voters in the South, Obama is only marginally behind McCain in the Midwest (42% to 46%) and West (44% to 47%) and actually leads among white voters in the Northeast (46% to 42%)."

Really?

Which polls are you referencing? How do you get your numbers? Does the use of fractions mean we're to believe you have such a complex system it can only be expressed through fractions?

One day, in the future, I envision a world where people can click on the text of a statement and it would open some new "window" of some sort that would support a given statement.

I'm going to apply for a patent on that. Then I'm going to pitch it to WebTV and AOL.

I know where the money is at.

I'm going to be able to buy and sell all of you.

Is it wrong that this post gave me a stiffy?

But southerns are so sweet and very tolerant!

This is purely because Southern Men believe in smaller government and lower taxes. Which is why they were FDR supporters -- before the push back on segregation.


*snort*

As my Tennessee friend said: "I don't give a damn what he says, I don't want no Nagger in the White House."

Republicans are so cute.

DoctorCal: Do you consider Barr a fair alternative?

I'm not a big fan of Barr. He's a little too all over the place.

Growing up in St. Louis gave me my share of exposure to racism. True, I have some hatred towards certain races due to some of their B.S.

But putting that aside, I do believe Obama will make a difference and is change we can believe in.

McPOW is the same as the old boss and nothing will change. Especially if he croaks and McFailin takes over having the voices of Bush's minions whispering into her ear on every turn.

I just wanted to point out that the "article" (if you can even call it that) is talking about white southern men. Not all southern men like the headline insinuates.

They're not voting that way because their racist, or that Obama is black.

They're voting that way because the republican party was created (in part) to free the slaves.

/polls don't mean jack, I haven't been polled once, so it can't be that accurate

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say its because Obama is a Negro.

/lives in south

Dancin_In_Anson: Give me JC Watts over Obama or McCain any time.

Wow.

You are totally not racist.
Do you have any black friends?
I have one. He's just like a real person, only darker.

TheNext: ...I haven't been polled once...

As Craig Ferguson would say "there are places on Hollywood Blvd. that for $20 you could get polled" :-)

Andric: Is it wrong that this post gave me a stiffy?

If obscure fractions and percentages are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Dancin_In_Anson: I'm not a big fan of Barr. He's a little too all over the place.

You should've seen him a few years ago when the Libertarians ran a had campaign against him to get his GOP spot ousted from Congress.

The one thing that keeps me from voting Barr is, "If he wasn't pushed from Congress...would he really have changed some of his views or would he still just be your standard GOP republican?"

The answer always seems to be the latter when I think about it.

Skleenar: Wow.

You are totally not racist.
Do you have any black friends?
I have one. He's just like a real person, only darker.

Well if one would care to make an attempt to show that race is the reason for this trend, someone else would care to point out that it might actually be policy instead.

But you know that.

bulldg4life: "If he wasn't pushed from Congress...would he really have changed some of his views or would he still just be your standard GOP republican?"

Exactly.

McCain's Southern Strategy:
Attractive and successful African-American
Attractive and successful African-American
Attractive and successful African-American

What amazes me is that I was discussing Palin with a coworker the other day and he responded that Obama only picked Biden because Biden was a white male and he needed to shore up the white male vote. When I pointed out that Obama only trailed with Southern and Appalachian white men his response was literally "So I guess you're saying that white southerners and appalacians are racist? You democrats always play the race card."

How's McCain polling with Northern African American voters? Good I bet.

Dancin_In_Anson: Well if one would care to make an attempt to show that race is the reason for this trend, someone else would care to point out that it might actually be policy instead.

Yeah it's not race; they just think Obama's uppity.

Dancin_In_Anson: Well if one would care to make an attempt to show that race is the reason for this trend, someone else would care to point out that it might actually be policy instead.

But you know that.

Perhaps you might want to suggest what the policy issue is that cuts so much more strongly among white males in the south that does not play so strongly among white males outside of that same geographic region.

Ed Finnerty: Which polls are you referencing? How do you get your numbers? Does the use of fractions mean we're to believe you have such a complex system it can only be expressed through fractions?

Did you happen to click on the Read More link in the article, that brought you to the Pew study, and gave you most of this information?

palladiate: What's really weird about this is that all the still-running, pot-growing country folks around here rather like Obama. It's the folks I know living in Winston Salem and Greensboro that dislike him so much.

I suspect it's partly because the country folks talk to each other more often and keep better informed. They're also less likely to cling to a party affiliation and swallow their bullcrap.

You saw lots of Vernon Robinson (^) and Virginia Foxx (^) signs around here in 2004 in the city, but virtually none in the outlying areas. Racism was front and center in that election, with most of the ads attacking each other over who was LESS racist and hateful towards blacks and Mexicans.

It's not our farms that are filled with white trash here in NC, it's our cities.

It's already been said, but THIS - I just moved from NC after 6 years (originally from rural NY). The country folks I met didn't have a hangup about making racial jokes, but there wasn't any real vitriol behind it, just an absence of political correctness. They tended to evaluate people of both races as individuals and typically ran with friends of both races (the Latino population is mostly migrant workers and is pretty self-segregated). Mixed race groups would often good-naturedly tease each other back and forth on racial terms in ways that left me dumbfounded at first.

The folks in cities like Raleigh and Greensboro though...eww. I called them "trailer-park aristocrats" - they were obsessed with image, status and money, but no matter how much they had of it, a few drinks deep or in private situations, the N-bombs would start flying, and not in a humorous sense - just hateful rants. They ran almost exclusively with white friends, and the few black guys I saw with them got mocked behind their backs and often subtly to their face for the amusement of the white guys. And the women were at least as bad as the men - petty and mean-spirited.

There were exceptions to both rules of course, but overall the rural residents were much nicer people and much less biased...and they had a pleasant tendency to wait for a lull in the party and suddenly break out a jar of cinnamon-stick moonshine.

/Mmmm...moonshine...

Dancin_In_Anson: Well if one would care to make an attempt to show that race is the reason for this trend, someone else would care to point out that it might actually be policy instead.

But you know that.

What policy issue affects white male southerners so much more than other population groups that would cause McCain to poll abnormally high in this area?