"Ain't nothing gonna change, Mr. Obama," says one resident quoted in Dreams from My Father who grows disillusioned with the Developing Communities Project. "We just gonna concentrate on saving our money so we can move outta here as fast as we can."

Probably the wisest man in that whole article.

Community organizing does suck. The hours are weird and sometimes long, and the pay is worst of all. You have to really care about your community to do it.

/Ann Arbor MI 1998 - 2004
//Palin and Giuliani can go fark themselves, as a grating man once said

Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a governor

So...what I got from that article was, Obama really liked the idea of community organizing, but saw that community organizing can only go so far in their goals by itself, it needed help from the political establishment, that help is currently not there, and so Obama wanted to go into politics to remedy that situation.

And Obama disagreed with certain styles of community organizing and advocated a different style.

Where did he say that community organizing sucked and there was no future in it?

I thought Obama's response to the community organizer criticism in his press conference yesterday was the best.

something like-- That was a job I had for 3 years right out of college. It was an important experience, but it's not like that's all I've done.

bikerific: I thought Obama's response to the community organizer criticism in his press conference yesterday was the best.

something like-- That was a job I had for 3 years right out of college. It was an important experience, but it's not like that's all I've done.

It's sad that it even needs explaining.

Trollish headline is trolling.

Ahh the ol' article does not say what the headline does trick and is not funny.

YouTube or GTFO.

bikerific: I thought Obama's response to the community organizer criticism in his press conference yesterday was the best.

something like-- That was a job I had for 3 years right out of college. It was an important experience, but it's not like that's all I've done.

Yup. Right after he was done completely ignoring Palin's job as Governor to rip on her for being mayor of a podunk town.

Anyway, I disapprove of this article & headline. I wish 90% of this sh*t would just go away.

Stoj: Yup. Right after he was done completely ignoring Palin's job as Governor to rip on her for being mayor of a podunk town.

To be fair, Obama was an organizer longer than Palin's been governor.

How is that article anything but flattering to Obama?

FireBreathingLiberal: Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a governor

Oh, not this worthless talking point again.

Jesus said "love your neighbor as yourself." He did not say "Hire a government functionary to love other people for you and pay him with other people's money."

Jesus said "render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and unto God what belongs to God." He did not say "Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and God's share too, because all social service programs now fall under government control because it's more efficient, but the faithful can get in on this as long as they don't preach to the people they're serving because we believe in separation of church and state."

Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple. He didn't start boycott campaigns that mysteriously ended with large undisclosed settlement checks from those money changers.

Jesus not only never forced anyone to give him money, he told the Roman tax collectors not to take more money from the people than they were owed. He did not make an exception for people making over 80,000 shekels a years or for anyone's "windfall profits."

Jesus fed a crowd of 5,000 with five loaves and two fishes, without price. He did not feed them government cheese and junk food made with government-subsidized high fructose corn syrup.

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." He did not run for president of the United States.

submitter: Community organizing sucks, and there's no future in it. - Barack Obama, 1987

I immediately noticed the lack of quotes. I was not surprised to find that the article didn't say that.

FAIL.

MasterThief: Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." He did not run for president of the United States.

This, I can confirm. Jesus of Nazareth did not run for President of the United States of America.

DamnYankees: How is that article anything but flattering to Obama?

Well, it does claim that his current stance on those years doesn't reflect the growing frustration he felt then at how it wasn't doing any good. But it also does point out that he felt then that in order to do any good, he needed to either know a lot of politicians or become one himself. So he made lots of friends and then became a politician to continue the good he couldn't accomplish as a community organizer.

DamnYankees: This, I can confirm. Jesus of Nazareth did not run for President of the United States of America.

It's not Jesus I have a problem with. It's his fan club I can't stand.

DamnYankees: Jesus of Nazareth did not run for President of the United States of America.

HE'S INELIGIBLE! He was born in the Middle East, his name at birth was Yehoshua, he can't produce a birth certificate, and he associates with the absolute dregs of society.

EMAIL THIS TO EVERYBODY YOU KNOW!!!

Damn Obama trying to help his community!!

Do we really want an evil non-self centered bastard like that running for president?

Lando Lincoln: So...what I got from that article was, Obama really liked the idea of community organizing, but saw that community organizing can only go so far in their goals by itself, it needed help from the political establishment, that help is currently not there, and so Obama wanted to go into politics to remedy that situation.

It's like in the medical field when doctors and nurses decide to go into the public health field. Or when teachers become superintendents. It's a way to reach more people.

You can do good by picking up litter. You can do more by bringing your friends to come pick with you. If you could get the country to reach down and pick something up you'd really be on to something.....

Stoj: Yup. Right after he was done completely ignoring Palin's job as Governor to rip on her for being mayor of a podunk town.

Again, not that there is a defined "minimum level of qualification", but I'll know it when I see it. I do not see it in Gov. Palin.

Community organizer in Chicago=/= qualification for president
Law Professor =/= qualification for president
State Senator =/= qualification for president
US Senator =/= qualification for president

Mayor of a Wasilla, AK (or, probably, any city) =/= qualification for president
Governor of Alaska =/= qualification for president

While we're at it...

Soldier =/= qualification for president
POW =/= qualification for president
US Rep/Senator =/= qualification for president

US Senator =/= qualification for president
Law Professor =/= qualification for president

It's some form of the tangent of the integrated sum of those experiences that qualifies someone in my eyes. Where they want to go, who they can bring along, and if they can get there.

MasterThief: Jesus said "render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and unto God what belongs to God." He did not say "Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and God's share too, because all social service programs now fall under government control because it's more efficient, but the faithful can get in on this as long as they don't preach to the people they're serving because we believe in separation of church and state."

You should should really re-read that passage in the bible. He pretty much did say that you need to pay tax collectors the money they want.

Also he said you need to "Love thy enemy". Funny how most of you guys don't know that. you guys only follow Paul and the old testament.

You should try to follow Jesus' Word

I just read about how Palin is getting slammed by at least one Catholic Bishop for her condescending remarks regarding Obama's community organizing.

Way to piss of the Catholics, women and moderates, McCain. Well played.

MasterThief: Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." He did not run for president of the United States.

until recently!

Corvus: Damn Obama trying to help his community!!

Do we really want an evil non-self centered bastard like that running for president?


He wanted "to make major changes in poverty or discrimination?" LOL! What a maroon! Didn't he know the lower class doesn't have any money to bribe him with? Stupid libs don't understand economics at all.

The article was too long and poorly written to really get much out of it, but I can't see how it's critical of Obama.

Can someone help?

Wow, the right is so afraid of this guy they'll reach for ANYTHING. LOL

Someone post that pic of the Framers with 'Community Organizers' as a caption

If nothing else this article clearly shows the altruistic motives and genuine concern for his fellow citizens that Barack Obama has. I expect the New Republic to come forward with their whole-hearted endorsement any day now.

MasterThief: FireBreathingLiberal: Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a governor

Oh, not this worthless talking point again.

Because only those who use the Bible as a brick to judge things they don't like can invoke Jesus.

And so, Obama told Kellman, he had decided to leave community organizing and go to law school. Kellman, who was already thinking of leaving organizing himself, found no reason to argue with him. "Organizing," Kellman tells me, as we sit in a Chicago restaurant down the street from the Catholic church where he now works as a lay minister, "is always a lost cause." Obama, circa late 1987, might or might not have put it quite that strongly. But he had clearly developed serious doubts about the career he was pursuing.

Nice headline trolling, subby.

jcooli09: The article was too long and poorly written to really get much out of it, but I can't see how it's critical of Obama.

Can someone help?

McCain and Palin have been having disaster after disaster.

Billions of threads have been greenlit about these disasters.

Mods felt that the need to balance it out some so they linked a headline that attacked Obama even though the article actually doesn't.


That's my best guess.

"Organizing," Kellman tells me, as we sit in a Chicago restaurant down the street from the Catholic church where he now works as a lay minister, "is always a lost cause." Obama, circa late 1987, might or might not have put it quite that strongly.

Yeah, sucks.

MasterThief: FireBreathingLiberal: Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a governor



He did not make an exception for people making over 80,000 shekels a years or for anyone's "windfall profits."

.

no he did not say that but he knew a penny from a poor person was worth more than one from a rich one.

Lando Lincoln: So...what I got from that article was, Obama really liked the idea of community organizing, but saw that community organizing can only go so far in their goals by itself, it needed help from the political establishment, that help is currently not there, and so Obama wanted to go into politics to remedy that situation.

And Obama disagreed with certain styles of community organizing and advocated a different style.

Where did he say that community organizing sucked and there was no future in it?

This.

why don't we deal with some ACTUAL quotes?

Community Organizing is neither fun nor easy. It's a tough, sometimes thankless, job that is a stepping stone to finding more ways to help people.

DamnYankees: MasterThief: Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." He did not run for president of the United States.

This, I can confirm. Jesus of Nazareth did not run for President of the United States of America.

Yea, he should have won also, until everyone found out he was actually a Muslim who had a thing for little boys..

Wow, even The New Republic likes Obama now.

That article made Obama look intelligent, compassionate, dedicated, involved and inspired to make lives better.

If this was supposed to be anti-Obama, it deserves the FAIL tag.

Corvus: jcooli09: The article was too long and poorly written to really get much out of it, but I can't see how it's critical of Obama.

Can someone help?

McCain and Palin have been having disaster after disaster.

Billions of threads have been greenlit about these disasters.

Mods felt that the need to balance it out some so they linked a headline that attacked Obama even though the article actually doesn't.


That's my best guess.

That your guess is likely correct explains why my TF subscription was allowed to expire.

Obama is such a badass, the greatest live band in the world is reuniting for him. (new window)

I eat dicks and rape children - submitter 09/05/08

Not exactly accurate but hey.

MasterThief: FireBreathingLiberal: Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a governor

Oh, not this worthless talking point again.

Jesus said "love your neighbor as yourself." He did not say "Hire a government functionary to love other people for you and pay him with other people's money."

Jesus said "render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and unto God what belongs to God." He did not say "Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and God's share too, because all social service programs now fall under government control because it's more efficient, but the faithful can get in on this as long as they don't preach to the people they're serving because we believe in separation of church and state."

Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple. He didn't start boycott campaigns that mysteriously ended with large undisclosed settlement checks from those money changers.

Jesus not only never forced anyone to give him money, he told the Roman tax collectors not to take more money from the people than they were owed. He did not make an exception for people making over 80,000 shekels a years or for anyone's "windfall profits."

Jesus fed a crowd of 5,000 with five loaves and two fishes, without price. He did not feed them government cheese and junk food made with government-subsidized high fructose corn syrup.

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." He did not run for president of the United States.

Sweet, how do you know Jesus said those things?

Since someone asked for it...

MasterThief: FireBreathingLiberal: Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a governor

Oh, not this worthless talking point again.

Jesus said "love your neighbor as yourself." He did not say "Hire a government functionary to love other people for you and pay him with other people's money."

Jesus said "render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and unto God what belongs to God." He did not say "Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and God's share too, because all social service programs now fall under government control because it's more efficient, but the faithful can get in on this as long as they don't preach to the people they're serving because we believe in separation of church and state."

Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple. He didn't start boycott campaigns that mysteriously ended with large undisclosed settlement checks from those money changers.

Jesus not only never forced anyone to give him money, he told the Roman tax collectors not to take more money from the people than they were owed. He did not make an exception for people making over 80,000 shekels a years or for anyone's "windfall profits."

Jesus fed a crowd of 5,000 with five loaves and two fishes, without price. He did not feed them government cheese and junk food made with government-subsidized high fructose corn syrup.

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." He did not run for president of the United States.

He told Kellman that he feared community organizing would never allow him "to make major changes in poverty or discrimination." To do that, he said, "you either had to be an elected official or be influential with elected officials." In other words, Obama believed that his chosen profession was getting him nowhere, or at least not far enough. Personally, he might end up like his father; politically, he would fail to improve the lot of those he was trying to help.

I feel better supporting this candidate after reading the full article. Thanks submitter.

/nice try with the headline

hubiestubert: Since someone asked for it...

Traitors! They should all be hanged

Gangway Fathead: Wow, the right is so afraid of this guy they'll reach for ANYTHING. LOL

I know! Next they'll be saying he didn't write his own speech; as if politicians these days write their own speeches!

Polly Ester: Gangway Fathead: Wow, the right is so afraid of this guy they'll reach for ANYTHING. LOL

I know! Next they'll be saying he didn't write his own speech; as if politicians these days write their own speeches!

McPain sure as hell didn't. He had no idea what was coming next on the teleprompter