i dunno subby, can the party that has controlled the fate of this country for 8 years run its campaign on the prospect of "change" with a straight face?

/politics makes people say strange things

The Hypocrite Party

Of course he can, he's Mitt Romney. He's a natural douche.

The Republican base is dumb enough to believe him, so why shouldn't he?

submitter: Can the super-rich former governor of Massachusetts [...] really keep a straight face while denouncing "Eastern elites"?

He did.

You're asking the wrong question. "Can he look at himself in the mirror?" or "Can he sleep at night?" would have been better choices.

Can the technical geniuses at Fark.com find a way to filter all these political threads onto a new tab on TF, just as they do on Fark or should we just go ahead and take up tennis or something?

Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful thing.

I'm so wishing he'd gotten the party nomination. Watching Obama eviscerate him would be like watching a Faces of Death video.

flucto: Can the technical geniuses at Fark.com find a way to filter all these political threads onto a new tab on TF, just as they do on Fark or should we just go ahead and take up tennis or something?

you mean like total fark politics?

Well, when he ran for the Senate in 96 or 98 or something, he said he would be more protective of gay rights and more pro-choice than his opponent...Ted Kennedy.

So yeah, I think that donkey raping, uncle farker can say whatever he wants with a straight face.

/MA resident
//hates Romney to an irrational extent.

The liberals are to blame. I can't believe you people have missed that over the past 8 years.

Yes He Can.

The lying sack of shiat...

alywa: Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful thing.

Republicans are completely immune to it at this point.

Anybody who can watch an entire montage about 9/11 and be inspired to vote for the GOP is obviously in some other alternate dimension of rational thought.

sure he can! just like mccain can call for an "end to partisan rancor" a day after the spittle-drenched hate fest 9iu11ani, romney and palin engaged in the night before!

This sums up the RNC pretty nicely imho

The Republicans Think We're Redneck Dolts (new window)

Here, in its essence, is what the GOP orators are saying, in speech after speech. This, apparently, is what they think of us (the average voters):

You are hicks, and proud of it. It's too hard to think, so you go with your gut. You like leaders who shoot stuff, and get you cheap gas. It's noble to be stupid.

You disliked the smart kids in high school, the ones who went to fancy colleges, and now you resent their success. You think they look down on you. You fear they may be right.

You don't like government giveaways, unless they're directed to you.

You'll believe it if we tell you, over and over, that Democrats don't love America.

You don't care about the environment, or global warming, or the world you'll leave to your kids and grandkids. You're too selfish to sacrifice now for their future. You think "drill, baby, drill" is an energy policy.

You don't like Europe. You're afraid of foreigners. You despise Chicago, and San Francisco, and the "cosmopolitan" folks who live in cities. You think writers are sissies. You mistrust experts, lawyers, civil liberties, and eloquence.

You can join the PTA, but not other community organizations. You can organize with the steelworkers, but not in the evil teachers' unions. If your father washed with Lava, you are morally superior.

You trust only those journalists who tell you what you want to hear.

You're anxious your job will get sent to some Chinaman, and you're worried about illness, and losing the house.

Science frightens you. Scripture gives you comfort. You think that diplomacy is for the weak. And that war makes us strong.

But you're dumb and greedy and will buy, one more time, our discredited promise that cutting income and inheritance taxes for the wealthy will make everything okay.

And no matter how filthy rich you make us, if we drive a pickup truck you'll think we're one of you.

FARKING CHRIST you people don't get it.

Obama IS elitist. Romney is NOT. Let me explain:

Romney was born to a family that had experience in managing capital and business. He grew up learning the "trade." He went to schools and academies that taught him how to fill his place in society as a capitalist.

Romney doesn't feel he's a better person than he really is. He's really rather humble considering the class of people he comes from.

Obama, on the other hand, was born into no such family. He didn't have the parental leadership and guidance to teach him how to act with class, dignity, and more importantly, wealth.

Obama was a working-class kid that thinks he can run the world just because he earned a law degree. He SHOULD be a public defender in Chicago, but instead he took on this elitist idea that he's better than he really is.

That's why Obama is elitist. And Romney rightfully sees so many "cosmopolitans" in the big east coast cities acting like they're part of a different class of people just like Obama does. Just because they have an expensive education from some liberal arts school doesn't mean they're any better than where they come from- the lower middle class. But you can sure bet they act like they're somebody by talking about failed political ideas, arguing over the aesthetics of beer, and pretending their tiny retirement accounts make them part of the ownership society.

That's why they're elitist.

burndtdan: flucto: Can the technical geniuses at Fark.com find a way to filter all these political threads onto a new tab on TF, just as they do on Fark or should we just go ahead and take up tennis or something?

you mean like total fark politics?

Then who would come into the other threads to justify their teenage lusts?

FTA:

"...much of the anger on the right is based not on the claim that Democrats have done bad things, but on the perception - generally based on no evidence whatsoever - that Democrats look down their noses at regular people."


Apparently they have never been on Fark.

palladiate: FARKING CHRIST you people don't get it.

Obama IS elitist. Romney is NOT. Let me explain:

Romney was born to a family that had experience in managing capital and business. He grew up learning the "trade." He went to schools and academies that taught him how to fill his place in society as a capitalist.

Romney doesn't feel he's a better person than he really is. He's really rather humble considering the class of people he comes from.

Obama, on the other hand, was born into no such family. He didn't have the parental leadership and guidance to teach him how to act with class, dignity, and more importantly, wealth.

Obama was a working-class kid that thinks he can run the world just because he earned a law degree. He SHOULD be a public defender in Chicago, but instead he took on this elitist idea that he's better than he really is.

That's why Obama is elitist. And Romney rightfully sees so many "cosmopolitans" in the big east coast cities acting like they're part of a different class of people just like Obama does. Just because they have an expensive education from some liberal arts school doesn't mean they're any better than where they come from- the lower middle class. But you can sure bet they act like they're somebody by talking about failed political ideas, arguing over the aesthetics of beer, and pretending their tiny retirement accounts make them part of the ownership society.

That's why they're elitist.

either that was thick sarcasm or severe wharrgarbl. you basically just said obama is elitist for elevating himself beyond what he was born into instead of knowing his place. you basically just took the american dream and flipped it upside down.

congrats.

palladiate: elitist idea that he's better than he really is.

I've learned that you have literally zero concept of what "elitist" means. The word you're looking for is "uppity". There's a gigantic difference between the two words. Please tell me English isn't your primary language.

I wish someone would teach krugman how to write coherently....

either that was thick sarcasm or severe wharrgarbl. you basically just said obama is elitist for elevating himself beyond what he was born into instead of knowing his place. you basically just took the american dream and flipped it upside down.

congrats.


Conservatives have always hated the American Dream dude. Its a liberal idea.

Flab: You're asking the wrong question. "Can he look at himself in the mirror?"

He probably spends all of his free time looking in the mirror, because he has great hair. I'd look in the mirror a lot, if I had great hair.

/sarcasm

Since when did money equal elite? Some of the most elitist smug arseholes I have ever meet were lower middle class. The only reason they were not living in mansions was because a) they were above that kind of showy excess and b) they were just too highbrow for the peons to understand them and reward them properly.

palladiate: Obama IS elitist. Romney is NOT. Let me explain

Your logic is undeniable

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Since when did money equal elite?

Exactly. Thank you.

Look at Fark on your average day, with people thinking they're better than Romney or McCain because they DON'T have as much money. That's elitist.

McCain doesn't make hay out of his level wealth or make fun of you for yours. Maybe that's because he has class, not elitism.

FTFA: I wasn't surprised at the effectiveness of the McCain "celebrity" ad. It didn't make much sense intellectually, but it skillfully exploited the resentment some voters feel toward Mr. Obama's star quality.

And that's all you need to know about the average US citizen that this ad was in any way effective.

It is possible to be born into a certain situation and understand how it is on the other side of the fence, you know...

palladiate: Look at Fark on your average day, with people thinking they're better than Romney or McCain because they DON'T have as much money.

Actually, I am pretty sure people think they are better than McCain and Romney because, by and large, most Farkers aren't lying gasbags.

NittLion78: It is possible to be born into a certain situation and understand how it is on the other side of the fence, you know...

Not if you're palliadate--that just means you're elitist. Either stick with your own kind, or get out of the pool.

Romeny is no elitist because he knows that he's landed gentry, and acts to preserve his class and privilege. It's only elitist is you decide to change the status quo and reach past your place.

Learn your place, or get nailed down. That's the message.

Locke3k: I've learned that you have literally zero concept of what "elitist" means.

Elitist:

1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

2.1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.

Uppity:

1.Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous

He's not "uppity" per se. It's not a nice word to use. However, he IS elitist. He firmly believes in ideas like:

* The "middle class" deserves their money more than "the rich"

* Consumers deserve government interference to "protect" them from industry-generated externalities

* Poor Americans deserve to have the more fortunate pay for their healthcare.

* Educated lawyers deserve to sit in the White House instead of war heroes and small-town country mayors.

He's elitist. He believes that rich people don't deserve their money, that city folks are better than "scared" rural people who "cling to their guns, and that Chicago lawyers and Senate bureaucrats are better than veterans and soccer moms.

That's why he's elitist, he believes in the superiority of his chosen groups.

palladiate: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Since when did money equal elite?

Exactly. Thank you.

Look at Fark on your average day, with people thinking they're better than Romney or McCain because they DON'T have as much money. That's elitist.

Stop. My head hurts.

Thinking you are better then someone born into money because you struggle to get by every day and are smart enough to call them on their bullshiat when you see it? THAT makes someone elitist? Are you farking kidding me?

bulldg4life: Actually, I am pretty sure people think they are better than McCain and Romney because, by and large, most Farkers aren't lying gasbags.

Just their alts are.

palladiate: That's why he's elitist, he believes in the superiority of his chosen groups.

So then you would agree that every time the Republicans claim moral superiority because of their "superior" belief in "the correct" God, that they are elitists as well, right?

Good. Glad that issue is a draw then.

vartian: Thinking you are better then someone born into money because you struggle to get by every day and are smart enough to call them on their bullshiat when you see it? THAT makes someone elitist? Are you farking kidding me?

No, just when you are bitter about it. Look at how many Farkers tear into McCain because his wife is rich? They are begrudging her success. That's pretty elitist, trying to carry the cross of poverty like that.

Not everyone thinks the lower class is all that disadvantaged, especially in this country.

I dunno. Can the son of a well-to-do family raised in Connecticut who went to private schools and attended Yale run for President as a folksy "everyman" from Texas? It could happen.

When the GOP force feeds you with straight up lies in their talking points long enough, I'd imagine that you can learn to deliver the lines with the level of affect needed to convince the ditto-heads and conservative zombies that you believe anything.

vartian: So then you would agree that every time the Republicans claim moral superiority because of their "superior" belief in "the correct" God, that they are elitists as well, right?

Good luck arguing with 80% of America that God is wrong.

In a way you are right that they're elitist about Christianity. But considering God said that not only is he the right way, but he is also the ONLY way, his followers don't exactly have a choice.

While I'm not particularly Christian, I do recognize they have some pretty bloody history when asked to put their God on parity with others.

Mitt and all the Republicans are a bunch of Satanists, sacrificing this nation's youth and the future of our great nation on the altar of greed and corporate profit that is so drenched in the blood and gore of the innocent that they have to wear hip waders to approach it for the next sacrilegious thrusting of the knife.

And there are just enough Democrats standing around watching how it's done so that nobody is likely to stop them anytime soon.

George Washington was once described as condescending and it was considered a good thing. He was a man of power and wealth treating those that worked for him nicely, not as equals, but just kind.
This is the natural order of things. Romney has wealth and power so if he treats you as an inferior it is natural. However, Obama has neither of these things, so if he treats you as an inferior it is unnatural, hence elitist.

palladiate: That's why he's elitist, he believes in the superiority of his chosen groups.

Are you farking high? You think he's claiming poor Americans are somehow "superior" to rich Americans? Seriously?

The "middle class" deserves their money needs their money to afford basic necessities like food and health care more than "the rich"

Fixed.

palladiate: No, just when you are bitter about it. Look at how many Farkers tear into McCain because his wife is rich? They are begrudging her success. That's pretty elitist, trying to carry the cross of poverty like that.

They're tearing in to McCain because he left his disabled wife for a younger rich woman with political connections. Then he has the gall to proclaim the moral high ground on a whole host of issues.

He's elitist. He believes that rich people don't deserve their money, that city folks are better than "scared" rural people who "cling to their guns, and that Chicago lawyers and Senate bureaucrats are better than veterans and soccer moms.

That's why he's elitist, he believes in the superiority of his chosen groups.

I'm glad you have completely twisted his words and the definition of elitist to suit your own perceived point.

I'm gonna hold out hope that you are bored and trolling because I can't possibly believe that you are just that stupid.

bulldg4life: palladiate: Look at Fark on your average day, with people thinking they're better than Romney or McCain because they DON'T have as much money.

Actually, I am pretty sure people think they are better than McCain and Romney because, by and large, most Farkers aren't lying gasbags.

Especially in Romney's case.

Mind you, I've disliked this lying douche since college.

Romney was aboard the University of Maine system back in the day--before he headed to Utah. Back in the day, he made a lot of hay about how he was going to improve the system. He put some folks into place, got some administrators and folks on the board that certainly put some ambitious plans on the board.

None of which addressed the needs of the campuses. Instead, they went for flashy, superficial, or even unneeded "improvements" that essentially gave out building contracts to several of Romney's friends--and a great many of the projects, like UMF's new computer center allowed for no growth whatsoever, so were essentially moving departments across campus without much real improvement or thought to the future.

Romney's pick for President of the UMaine system got the most "no confidence" votes in the history of the system, from staff and faculty alike. It got so bad, that Orenduff had to be sent to a sister school in Europe until the stink had boiled off, and then he went right back to his old job as President of UMF.

This didn't change much when he came to Massachusetts. Again, contracts were ladled out, but this time, with a much larger budget. He has a great deal of support, because he is very liberal in the use of contracts to gain support. He WILL give you business if you play his game. Whether or not the contracts are for things you actually need, that's another story entirely, but they're generally nice, flashy, and grandiose--but they still ignore basic things like infrastructure.

Highways and bridges aren't real flashy--and people hate waiting for roads to be cleared and open while they're being worked on, but in his stint as Governor, we watched bridges and highways galore get downgraded--and some even had to be closed because they were just too dangerous to be used--while other projects went forward.

Sewage treatment and highways aren't sexy, but they're necessary, and Romney only likes the sexy projects. Likes to be there to claim the credit.

I have no problem with the government spending money on needed projects--that's kind of the point of putting money into the kitty, but Romney's brand of improvements are essentially looking to throw a lot of lipstick on a pig, and not washing the little bastiche. Pancake and powder only get you so far, and eventually you're going to have do something more, but with Romney, by the time that bill comes due, he's already gone.

He leaves so someone else will have to pick up his mess. And that is pretty much why I despise him. I've had to deal with his brand of "reform" a few too many times already.

palladiate: That's why he's elitist, he believes in the superiority of his chosen groups.

As do you.

Your party believes that people born into wealth have an innate right to the money their ancestors earned due to the work of the middle and lower classes. Nobody ever got rich alone.

Your party believes that it's OK to tell others what kind of family values they should have while expecting you to leave their family's privacy alone.

Your party wants to reap the majority of the benefits of the infrastructure that we all have collectively built, but doesn't feel like they should have to pay their fair share. Majority rule is unfair when it comes to taxation.

Your party looks down its nose at community organizing and public welfare. Lobbyists, corporate tax breaks and subsidies are A-OK.

Have a nice day, elitist.

GurneyHalleck: Mitt and all the Republicans are a bunch of Satanists, sacrificing this nation's youth and the future of our great nation on the altar of greed and corporate profit that is so drenched in the blood and gore of the innocent that they have to wear hip waders to approach it for the next sacrilegious thrusting of the knife.

And there are just enough Democrats standing around watching how it's done so that nobody is likely to stop them anytime soon.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHWHAHAH!!!

Decaf dude.

Straight tickets are for idiots.

NittLion78: It is possible to be born into a certain situation and understand how it is on the other side of the fence, you know...

True statement. Wrong Republican.

bulldg4life: I'm gonna hold out hope that you are bored and trolling because I can't possibly believe that you are just that stupid.

Hey, I thought you knew me better than that!

bulldg4life: I'm glad you have completely twisted his words and the definition of elitist to suit your own perceived point.

I'm not the one who twisted that word to make that point. Talk to the guys who've been bloviating on TV every night this week. That's the line of reasoning I've heard time and time again on why Obama is an elitist.

Which is cool, so am I. My parents worked from nothing on an old farm to running their own million-dollar business. And for 15 of those years, I helped them build it. And I believe in progressive taxation, better healthcare, and government regulation of pollution and environmental health.

I'm very elitist to a group of people that believe we live in an economy and not a country, and work toward a rigidly classed society instead of a free society.

WalkingCarpet:
And no matter how filthy rich you make us, if we drive a pickup truck you'll think we're one of you.

Unless it's a little pickup. I think the pickup has to be big enough to have one of those automatic step-things for you to mount it.

/drives a little pickup

Meh, I've seen you make this argument before and I never stuck around to see you continue down the path. I knew donuts don't do that to people.